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On The Origins of Language
#19073280 - 11/02/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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language is an aspect of our consciousness which allows for time-binding through the evolution of spoken language and the invention of written language. Time-binding as in the ability to send ideas through time and continuously progress them throughout multiple generations. This allows cultures to form, technologies to grow, and knowledge to be spread.
Sign language likely came before spoken language, which was a natural evolution from body language..body language is something much of the animal kingdom uses to communicate. Most of the animal kingdom communicates on some level or another which is where body language evolved from and for; a need to communicate on a basic level for the survival every species. Even viruses and bacteria communicate. Language and communication are ingrained into the ever increasing complexity of the universe.
I wonder if things such as atoms communicate..if chemistry is this communication, the forming of molecules...the forming of life.
But besides that I wonder if on top of our spoken language another language has evolved, a coded language, one which describes consciousness better but which may be hard to understand the reference towards itself.
Koans, for example. Parables.
Poetry on top of poetry.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19073445 - 11/02/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't think any of these answer can be answered.
As it stands though I've heard there is evidence to suggest stone/bone tools were used by our pre-human ancestors, which to some degree suggests sophisticated communication / language pre-dating humans. Fucking drunk
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19073501 - 11/02/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Language started with a cough.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: Icelander]
#19073508 - 11/02/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, that was the first gay experience. I am surprised you still remember that.
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OrgoneConclusion said: No, that was the first gay experience. I am surprised you still remember that. 
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Repertoire89 said: Don't think any of these answer can be answered.
As it stands though I've heard there is evidence to suggest stone/bone tools were used by our pre-human ancestors, which to some degree suggests sophisticated communication / language pre-dating humans. Fucking drunk
Hmm so which do you think came first? Sign language or spoken language?
It seems like a sign language would be the first signs of communication, as a more advanced form of body language. And that spoken language evolved shortly there-after.
Could be wrong though, but this idea seems rational enough to me.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19073536 - 11/02/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think spoken language probably came first (in theory), in the form of calls concerning various predators during the hunt. "Lion coming up in this shit" "Run n**** run"
Stuff like that
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that makes sense. Maybe it was a combination of both. Like how we use our hands to describe something whilst talking and/or how we use our hands more so when we try to communicate with people of a foreign language.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19073609 - 11/02/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When speaking to a foreigner, TALK MUCH LOUDER. Make you easier to understand.
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lol
What do you think of language evolving on top of language? Like poetry of sorts; coded language? I have heard a dialogue going on like this whilst tripping quite a few times. Just hearing people talking or random sequences from movies..the things they say have or rather could have a double meaning.
Ever experience something like this?
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19080297 - 11/03/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What do you think of language evolving on top of language? Like poetry of sorts; coded language? I have heard a dialogue going on like this whilst tripping quite a few times. Just hearing people talking or random sequences from movies..the things they say have or rather could have a double meaning.
Ever experience something like this?
Innuendo and implications?
That's done deliberately often enough with poetry at the very least, but yeah I get paranoid sometimes when tripping and start to hear innuendo which isn't there.
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Right, and typically, in my experience at least, it is innuendo of sorts and will sometimes get me paranoid when tripping..Like overhearing regular conversation or having regular conversation with a double or multiple meaning..and typically whatever is interpreted isn't exactly 'nice' but sometimes it is, or sometimes it seems surprised.
I relate this too synchronicity as well because the double meaning I'll hear typically relates to my thoughts, increasing or decreasing with my fear or joy levels..and with such mind-blowing accuracy that it can be quite intimidating when it happens. Also seems to know when I know and will make this known as well. I have a few audio examples I'll be going through and giving an example of this double speak in the future.
This gives the impression that something very strange is going on...like an instant feedback of consciousness of sorts or even some extra-dimensional intelligence..whether it be ours or something else, I can't say.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19081491 - 11/03/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is very in the moment, very now, it seems that when it happens, it is referring to the present always. Even if seemingly talking about past or future. If I begin relating every event and moment to my present self it all refers back to itself if that makes sense..As in there is no 'useless' information or something like that, everything becomes relevant.
"Sometimes, stating something plainly is not a good option. When that's the case, and simply leaving it unstated won't work either, you must resort to using double meanings. For a statement to have a double meaning, it must have one obvious meaning and one deliberate meaning, concealed so that only those "in the know" will understand that second meaning. This is frequently used to pass secret messages along, as it is often more subtle than using an obvious code. Alternatively, a sub-culture may adopt a phrase from the main culture, but assign their own meaning to it, understood only within that sub-culture."
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleMeaning
I think this type of thing may happen all the time, and that when we are able to understand the not so obvious meaning, your entire reality changes, as is the case for myself. I have been to afraid to really get to far into this reality, mostly when it happens to me its quite spontaneous and I end up just wanting everything to go back to normal.
I first became aware of the dialogue on my first acid trip, where I saw that all of the universe and life was one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. I have since heard it a few times whilst not tripping, a few times while tripping, and a few times rolling.
It reminds me of DMT trips, only DMT takes a more visual route.
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Re: On The Origins of Language [Re: hTx]
#19082115 - 11/03/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I relate this too synchronicity as well because the double meaning I'll hear typically relates to my thoughts, increasing or decreasing with my fear or joy levels..and with such mind-blowing accuracy that it can be quite intimidating when it happens. Also seems to know when I know and will make this known as well. I have a few audio examples I'll be going through and giving an example of this double speak in the future.
Damn I know what you mean, too often people will voice a thought of mine out of the blue. Bringing up obscure subjects which were running on my mind, its hard to describe... Used to take it more seriously than I do now, but at the moment any kind of odd episode is sparse and can be tied firmly in as coincidence.
When meditating or using psychedelics, having OBEs and the like, then those experiences seem to come on rapidly and frequently. My thoughts being voiced by other people by coincidence, rare enough thoughts as my interests tend to be obscure. Could be a combination of freak chance and paranoia, or maybe something more. Not necessarily something mystical but just dealing with the very illusory nature of life in general, like an unidentified social sense working in the same way as animal migrations.
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