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OrgoneConclusion
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Redesign the Human Body
#19072306 - 11/01/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and prove you are smarter than God!
Ready? Begin!
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WScott
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Did you mean 'improve' rather than 'redesign'?
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Get rid of those damned wisdom teeth for starters. What damned fool designer would put those there anyway?
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: Diploid] 2
#19072381 - 11/01/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And that useless soul. Just causes anxiety.
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: Diploid]
#19072388 - 11/01/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To bad medical procedures like removing wisdom teeth basically stop the evolutionary process of humans. I mean think about it! Same as antibiotics
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OrgoneConclusion
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mutantmushroom said: To bad medical procedures like removing wisdom teeth basically stop the evolutionary process of humans. I mean think about it! Same as antibiotics
No need to think how erroneous your statement is.
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: WScott]
#19072402 - 11/01/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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WScott said: Did you mean 'improve' rather than 'redesign'?
If that is the best you can do...
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WScott
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: Diploid]
#19072403 - 11/01/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Get rid of those damned wisdom teeth for starters. What damned fool designer would put those there anyway? 
Icelander put them there to test the faith of Christians. Dinosaurs had wisdom teeth also.
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: WScott]
#19072407 - 11/01/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But they called them 'chompers'. Raptors spoke pretty good Engrish.
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mutantmushroom
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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mutantmushroom said: To bad medical procedures like removing wisdom teeth basically stop the evolutionary process of humans. I mean think about it! Same as antibiotics
No need to think how erroneous your statement is. 
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OrgoneConclusion
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Kaku is ?
A. Theoretical physicist
B. Evolutionary biologist
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mutantmushroom
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Idk hes on the science channel though hahahha, What are you??
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OrgoneConclusion
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Evolution is a continuous process. It never stops.
If you want to make a case for human evolution having stopped, then I require a paper/article from a degreed biologist to consider it.
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mutantmushroom
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I agree with you completely that evolution never stops, well at least not until the universe collapses. All Im saying is how human intelligence has radically changed our evolution compared to other animals. Our evolution is now almost completely based on appearance because external dangers simply don't exist like they do in other species.
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PEROXIDE
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Hairless Vaginas
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: PEROXIDE]
#19072523 - 11/01/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Redesign the Human Body [Re: PEROXIDE]
#19072525 - 11/01/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How will I floss my teeth then?
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mutantmushroom
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hands on your feet would be pretty neat
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OrgoneConclusion
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leaves instead of hair
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mutantmushroom
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flowers instead of hair!
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magicbroncoride
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I could go for some gills, more rods and cones in eyes for some better vision and maybe throw in some retractable claws, exoskeleton, a second opposable thumb on bottom of hand, redundant organs and nervous system and to round it all out reverse jointed legs with the same double thumbed clawed hands as feet. Might as well have denser bones and muscle fiber too. Maybe improve on the healing factor too. Just think of the calories a monster like this would use in a day. Would have to eat constantly but would be at the top of the food chain no matter what.
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mutantmushroom
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Wings
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magicbroncoride
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Wings would require a huge redesign. Our mass would require a massive wingspan as we are. If you actually wanted to fly and not just glide our metabolism would need a total rework as well. Porous or hollow bones would be essential and weight would have to be redistributed. Neck to head would have to be reworked also unless you want to look straight down and not ahead while you fly. Damn near any change at this point is going to require a system wide rework. Have to have the supporting infrastructures. Hell just look at body builders and athletes. Not even any crazy changes and caloric intake goes through the roof and ligaments and bones give way easily. Heart attacks and concussion happen frequently. Unfortunately as time has progressed we have lost some things and gained some things. When life was hard 30 was old now that life is easy 110 is old.
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mutantmushroom
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Spider-Sense like in spider man would be pretty cool
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magicbroncoride
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That is brilliance. Spider sense would be one of the easily done redesigns. You already have everything for it it is just a different interpretation of the information the senses have already gathered. You would just have to have a small portion of a brain sift through the info all of your senses continually collect. Just like some people with training can remember where everything is in a room spatially can then detect much smaller and slower movement of an object in the room then some who wasnt paying attention. The brain could take all the small clues that your senses pick up which by themselves mean nothing and combine them to interpret something that you would of normally missed in a type of precognition aka spidey sense.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Cephalopod eyes in case we want to hunt shrimp at night in the ocean. And because they are a better 'design'.
http://thebibleistheotherside.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/is-the-human-eye-a-bad-design-or-good/
Creationists may make up all the excuses they like, and may theist real scientific work until it hollers, but one indisputable piece of evidence refutes their claims of good design.
This evidence is the cephalopod eye. The eyes of octopus and squid are wired opposite to our eyes—with the nerves behind the retina. This means that cephalopods have no blind spot. They have full visual acuity over their entire retina, rather than only in a small central fovea as we do. They are more sensitive to low light levels, since the light need not pass through the retina to reach the photoreceptors.
Michael says that the choroid[1] would block the neural wiring. Yet it does not block the optic nerves of the octopus. Nor does the octopus have a problem with hemorrhaging. Too bad, Michael.
Michael’s explanation of the supposed “disconnect”[2] is hopelessly muddled. Please ask your source for a clarification, Michael. Michael claims that this connection is necessary to remove heat.[3] Yet the cephalopod eye gets along just fine without removing heat from its inverted retina. Why? Because it doesn’t need to remove heat from blood vessels that do not pass through the retina. We humans build up heat in the retina because it is wired backward! This so-called “necessary connection” is necessary only because of the poor initial design. Had we been wired like an octopus, we wouldn’t need it.
Same for Muller cells. Muller cells act as a kind of fiber optic that routes light through the opaque cells at the front of the retina to the back. What if there is no opaques layer on top? Then you don’t need Muller cells. Cephalopods don’t need Muller cells. Muller cells are another cobble job to fix a bad design.
Michael quotes New Scientist that Muller cells filter light to improve visual acuity. Again, a fix for a flawed design. The retinas of cephalopod eyes cover a much larger portion of the inside of the eyeball, and thus receive more light directly. Only in vertebrate eyes does the light bounce around multiple times, like lens flare in a camera. Again, octopus simply don’t need the function provided by Muller cells. Because they have a better design to begin with.[4]
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We now know keeping photoreceptors in back near the blood vessels is a marvel of engineering design as it provides optical advantages.
No, Michael. What we know is that evolution has been coming up with cobbled fixes for a design that was suboptimal from the beginning. And we have actual examples of eyes in cephalopods that don’t need those cobble jobs, because they were evolved differently.
Shall we leave it to Michael to tell us why God gave octopus and squid better eyes that He gave us? We would be interested in hearing your reasoning on this point, Michael.
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Readers who are not creationally impaired, or whose biblical blindfolds have slipped slightly, may be interested to hear why cephalopod eyes differ from vertebrate eyes. Evolution—in particular, evo-devo,[5] reveals the answer.
Vertebrate eyes are outgrowths of brain tissue toward epithelial (skin) tissue. The first such eyes were mere “eyespots” on th surface of the skin—that is, behind the skin, because they approached from the rear. The eyespots evolved into depressions, then into cups (invaginations)[7], which, like pinhole cameras, could focus an image. The transparent[6] lens came next, then the other appurtenances.
The cephalopod eye, on the other tentacle, is epithelial tissue (ectoderm) that differentiates to form the retina on the outside of the body. This tissue then multiplies, curves, and folds to form the lens and ciliary body.
For more detail and drawings, see “Development of the Eye in Vertebrates and Cephalopods and its Implications for Retinal Structure” Tell you what—Michael could have looked up all this stuff, too, and saved me a lot of trouble knocking down his ridiculous contentions.
Of course, Michael didn’t originate these arguments. He can’t even spell “Choroid.” For a recent creationary struggle to slay the “bad design” dragon with cross and sword, see “Is Our ‘Inverted’ Retina Really ‘Bad Design’”. Note that it employs the same pattern as Michael’s argument–how the cobble-job fixes improve our eyesight, and tries to sweep the advantages of the cephalopod eye under the rug.. The creo author crows that cephalopod visual acuity does not exceed that of vertebrate eyes. However, this difference has absolutely nothing to do with retina placement—it’s probably caused by differences in photoreceptor structure.[8] And the article fails to mention that cephalopods can sense the polarization of light, a capability that our eyes lack entirely.
Another aspect of the creo article. It bears the date “08 May 2010.” HEY! That’s today! Should we wonder that Michael received his material from the same folks at True.Origin,[9] the organization that “comprises an intellectually honest response to … evolutionism.” Without, of course, any intellectually honest attribution on Michael’s part.
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Hunting shrimp tonight?
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LunarEclipse
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: and prove you are smarter than God!
Ready? Begin!
God you are weird.
Begin!
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LunarEclipse
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mutantmushroom said: Wings
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