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OfflineSamhainJ
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grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush...
    #19071573 - 11/01/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So i havent done a grow in about 6 yearsand decided to use pre sterilized brf bags for my first grow or two to get back in the swing of things. My question is, since fresh air and light are more predominant pinning teiggers than cold shocking etc.. would i have pins/knots form faster if i took the brf cakes out of the bags and into the fruiting chamber vs leaving in the bags, since the cakes will obviously get more fresh air combined with light not being in the bags? Ive been doinh search.engine work an  alot of people are saying fresh air is the most important pinning trigger.. your thoughts?


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19072730 - 11/01/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why the pre-sterilized bags? Do you not have a PC?

The #1 pinning trigger is FULL COLONIZATION of the substrate. Once pins/knots begin to form in the jars or bags it is a good time to birth them or spawn to a bulk substrate.  The fresh air exchange (FAE) of a properly-build terrarium (such as the shotgun terrarium) or a tray in a humid room or greenhouse will usually quite easily outperform a closed up bag with a filter patch.  FAE is probably #2 as far as pinning triggers go.  Also make sure to use the proper temperature lighting running 12 on / 12 off; the 5000-7000K range(6500K CFL) is ideal (the emitted light looks bluish).

I would suggest doing as much reading as possible, but you'll have to get your feet wet sooner or later.  Good luck! :mushroom2:


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: joiningheads]
    #19072832 - 11/01/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I thought it was like this...

High co2 levels create more pins

Than good air exchange promotes the growth of those pins, and once fruiting to never let the co2 get high again by fanning and misting, which also regulated the relative humidity...

And I also thought the number one fruiting trigger was to provide FAE.

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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19072919 - 11/01/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JMcDoogle said:
I thought it was like this...

High co2 levels create more pins

Than good air exchange promotes the growth of those pins, and once fruiting to never let the co2 get high again by fanning and misting, which also regulated the relative humidity...

And I also thought the number one fruiting trigger was to provide FAE.



You want high co2 for colonization, you want low co2 and lots of FAE for fruiting.

We do not fan for FAE, we fan to promote evaporation of the water we just applied to the cakes.

If your chamber cannot keep the co2 down by itself, then you are doing something wrong.

When fruiting, the co2 should flow out of the chamber naturally, not by you fanning it out.

You do not want high co2 until you see pinning, fruit it at full colonization.


Secondly light is not a main pinning trigger.....you need the main pinning triggers before light will help.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: PussyFart]
    #19074662 - 11/02/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive been giving em light on the 12/12 schudule for about 6 days and see no knots yet, thats why i was wondering of maybe taking em out of the bags would make em knot/ pin faster.. ive fruited both in the bags and taken em out and put directly if fruiting cjamber in the past but cant remember which knotted and pinned quicker.. and was also thinking maybe bc alot of co2 builds in the bags, that removing em to fresh air would start the pinning quicker?


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19075067 - 11/02/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, considering FAE is the main pinning trigger.


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19075182 - 11/02/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SamhainJ said:
Ive been giving em light on the 12/12 schudule for about 6 days and see no knots yet, thats why i was wondering of maybe taking em out of the bags would make em knot/ pin faster..




Assuming that everything is on track, there's a window of time between full colonization and pin production that appears slower than the initial waves of growth.  Generally about a week.  By leaving them in the jars or bags during this time, it gives them a good chance to prepare for fruiting without the stresses of exposing the whole cake or substrate to the "elements" (often called consolidation of the substrate).  In my experience it's of little benefit to birth a cake the second you think it's fully colonized; it's typically just going to sit there appearing idle anyways. It's not all about what's "faster"; you can induce pinning early with FAE & direct sunlight but if the substrate isn't consolidated it's going to perform much more weakly.

Also, dunking BEFORE and AFTER fruiting the cake for 12-24 hours at room temperature in cold water will hydrate the sub and replicate the conditions they prefer in nature. Just make sure it's fully colonized and consolidated before doing this.  Good luck! :mushroom2:


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: joiningheads]
    #19075449 - 11/02/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If left in the bags would sweezimg the air/co2 that ballooned in the bags out be beneficial or just leave as is?


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Re: grow bags- to remove and fruit or leave for forst flush... [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19075916 - 11/02/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SamhainJ said:
If left in the bags would sweezimg the air/co2 that ballooned in the bags out be beneficial or just leave as is?




I wouldn't do that.

It helps to have the filter patch at the highest point to enable ideal gas exchange.  Since I usually tie my bags I'll just hang them.  That keeps the filter patch free and always near the top, thus not restricting airflow.


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