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solo11
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All second flushes are f**ked
#19071367 - 11/01/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haven't gotten a single second flush to work out and can't figure out why, the cakes were better than last try, produced better and everything, but a 24 hour dunk and a week in the sgfc later, they start just not looking good. And every time on every cake, I've picked it up to inspect, and the top half is just mushy, and almost looks like there's hardly any mycellium, in this pic. There were some mega tiny pins but they stopped growing, I've just been throwing them away, afraid of contams. But the last few cakes I have are all awaiting second flush, wanted to ask to see if anyone's got any idea about this.

You can see vaguely about halfway up, where my thumb sank into it a few days ago. Seems like it might be rotting from the inside.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19071412 - 11/01/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How often are you misting/fanning? Is your SGFC made properly? (1/4" holes, spaced 2" apart, on all six sides) It looks like either:
A) They're too dry. or B)Your keeping them wet, but not keeping their environment humid.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19071425 - 11/01/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like your not allowong the insodes to colonize.. are those cakes rolled or is that black mold on them? When the jars look 100% let em sit another week in the incubator and the myc will eat up the un colonized nutroents on the inside.. consider ordering some brf bags from a sponsor instead of making jars.. once the bags are 30% you can mash em and cut colonization time down.. i just colonized some brf bags in 10 days with F+.. once i went to bags i never went back to slow ass brf jars..
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solo11
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: SamhainJ]
#19071549 - 11/01/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea, the chamber is pretty good, to many holes on one side and the lid is missing a few, got some good first flushes, I let them consolidate, but the myc just seemed thin on a couple, they were creepers. I've had two humidity gauges in there and it was in the mid nineties. I've thought about the bags, I got a big layered one first go around from a vendor with questionable reviews, nothing happened, and shipping was outrageous, was yours costly? Didnt seem worth it to me once I learned pf tek. And I've looked at a tek for making the bags, seemed like you would need some tools. Have you tried making your own? Maybe these cakes were weak, got another batch coming anyway. And it is possible I mist too much, when the original flush is coming I dribble some water on top to let it drink, there's some others here I've read of doing that, maybe that's why?
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19071599 - 11/01/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How many times a day do you fan and mist?
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: JoeMama1992]
#19071743 - 11/01/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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3 times. Mist very heavy, till the walls are dripping, give a good fanning, throw another mist or two so the air has some moisture. I also wonder if I handled them too much with dirty hands, than the soak just made a contam soak in, surprised its not too common considering its happened every time. And I feel that if fae or humidity were at question. I wouldn't have gotten nice fruits first flush. Also give them only a few hours of light a day, i am a beginner but swear I got better growth with this schedule. Might've just been a coincidence that things started working out great when schedule changed. But part of that was 10 mins. Direct sunlight a day, outside. which probably helped a lot. Haven't been doing that anymore
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19071910 - 11/01/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your cakes may have enough moisture to get through a first flush. But, with constant FAE, even in high RH, your cakes will still dry out if not misted regularly.
Don't spray the walls. Spray the cakes directly. It doesn't matter if the walls are wet, it matters if the cakes are.
Mist cakes till they glisten. Once they are no longer glistening, mist them again. The over-spray from the misting helps keep the perlite moist.
The fresh air coming in from the bottom helps the perlite evaporate and thus, keeping your RH up.
This process dries out your cakes. It's the nature of the beast.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19072541 - 11/01/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eww, that cake is yellow, and if its also soft, its a tell-tale sign the mycellium has lost its hold (bacteria). Mist before you fan, and make sure you fan for enough time to get rid of the excess visible water buildup on the surface. DON'T mist heavy or dunk for too long at room temperature. Use cold water to start the dunk and keep it under 24 hours. Mist LIGHTLY and then fan. Don't close up your terrarium after misting without fanning: it rots the pins. You want fluctuations in humidity and mist (like in nature), otherwise the substrate will rot/die back. Mycellium doesn't like to be soaked all the time. Good luck.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: joiningheads]
#19072839 - 11/01/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe they are waterlogged from excessive misting, cut back misting to 1/2 times per day and mist more, cakes need to dry a bit for the mycelium to start pumping up pins, grab the cakes and get a feel for their weight, the drier they get the less they weight
if they have gone through only one flush chances are they still have "juice" in them don't give up, start by cutting down on misting for a few days and go from there
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19072896 - 11/01/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
loki44 said: maybe they are waterlogged from excessive misting
What is waterlogged, the walls?
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solo11 said: Mist very heavy, till the walls are dripping
He needs to be misting the cakes themselves, not the plastic tub.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: PussyFart]
#19072960 - 11/02/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Notahacker420 said:
He needs to be misting the cakes themselves, not the plastic tub.
he said he mists HEAVY until the walls are wet, hes not misting the walls , he's misting the shit out of the cakes so they may be waterlogged
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solo11
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: loki44]
#19072982 - 11/02/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cool thank you guys for the advice, and what I meant by the misting walls thing, was im always trying to go for cakes, but after like 10 or more sprays, everything else is wet also, its a tricky thing, trying not to pool water, and trying not to get the mushrooms to wet also, its hard to tell you got the cake very well sometimes to, but considering how wet everything around it is, I probably get them pretty good, and these cakes are not dry, like they retained moisture, and haven't dried out yet. so I will cut back, and be more aware of it next round.
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Re: All second flushes are f**ked [Re: solo11]
#19073721 - 11/02/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes. i think you're on the right track now. the cakes should apear wet. But, the surface needs to evaporate to encourage pinning. this is a balance act. let the surface evaporate until it no longer glistens with moisture, then mist till they are glistening again. don' t even look at the walls, look at the cakes.
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