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The Scientific Model
    #19069661 - 11/01/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For the people who believe the psychedelic experience to be a few hours of altered brain chemistry some fancy colours and nothing more, what is this evidence based upon, is there a scientific model yet?

This is just plain curiosity, I myself am on the fence as I've not had nearly enough experience in the psychedelic head space so to speak, but I know there are some veteran trippers lurking who hold the view that these are mere drugs offering entertainment for a few hours, and notions such as the brain being able to key into hidden realms of vibration as nonsensical (despite it seeming plausible).

Enlighten me science. Can it be explained after all?


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19069694 - 11/01/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This man is working our cause... You should see it all, but start at around 28 minute mark to see the science behind it.
I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but it's all pretty damn simple and logic once you understand it... that however takes none of the experience away from me. It's still my universe and my way to understand and expand myself, and thankfully one thing seems to be a returning subject amongst trippers and that is that we are all the same.... one source one entity, and love is ever lasting and the natural state of our being.

The last part how ever is not explained by science yet.

I see this video as a nice testament to how mushrooms are not dangerous when they are used in the right way, and can indeed be a GREAT tool...

Key words here being "lack of blood flow" "no communication between brain parts" "brain only receiving the input that is already in there".
In other words... you are recycling already in-taken data that you didn't know was there, but it's happening on the fly and with no filters.

Having said that... I feel almost certain that once our filters are down, we are more sensitive to the way life as a whole is build up: waves of energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALEL2Sx5aDs


Edited by beforeIgetold (11/01/13 12:31 PM)


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19070088 - 11/01/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cheers man, will give it a watch.


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19070212 - 11/01/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just watched the video, I liked the part about the connecting hubs of the brain and how shrooms are good at disconnecting the two hemispheres, thus producing some sort of experience where the brain cannot function as one.


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: HostDisorder]
    #19070213 - 11/01/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's up to what you wanna believe

science is able to explain a lot about the human mind, and each year we learn more....
Why we think, how we think, what is conscience, what is self awareness, mind vs brain, ego, ID, self.... Poor old brain ends up being a well developed super computer and neural net... Made better by evolution ... We didn't get the t-Rex body so we had to survive by a better mind, society and reason...

Could counter the argument, why do you believe there is more than just chemicals altering perception and thought processes? What is your evidence? How can that be tested?


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: HarryL]
    #19070282 - 11/01/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:
Could counter the argument, why do you believe there is more than just chemicals altering perception and thought processes? What is your evidence? How can that be tested?



Is right!
The burden of proof lies with those making the hypothesis.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but magic mushrooms do little more than give us delusions, thoughts and emotions and feelings and ideas, not a greater insight into anything real, only a greaster insight into the imagination and world of altered senses.
If you're going to contest these points you will need to be three things:
1, not high.
2, very scientific in your approach.
3, not expecting me to continue this discussion to any great degree.


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19071848 - 11/01/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for posting that video.  I watched the whole thing and wow.  It's a good watch.


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Re: The Scientific Model [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19073655 - 11/02/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just want to say, having watched the video now; yes some scientists got great insight into thier work however the majority of the results provided in the support what I was saying:
Sensory activity is decreased so we get it from within the brain- from imagination, not from reality. This can be a great inspiration and removes a lot of inhibition caused by ordinary brain function (hence the above mentioned scientific results) but only provides us illusion/thoughts/ideas with a genesis within our brain, not reality.

I'm trying to put this in such a way as to convey that I approve greatly of the inspirational effects of psychadelics but not of thinking we can gain anything directly in the trip. Inspiration can come from the malfunctioning state of the brain but we can only interpret reality and see if the ideas we get are congruent with reality, when the brain is functioning normally.


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