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nicechrisman
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
#19066206 - 10/31/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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GreySatyr
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
#19066220 - 10/31/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ergolines! Versatility.
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
#19066246 - 10/31/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Yeah that seems to be kinda how it goes with these things. Maybe depends on brain chemistry or some other factors that we don't understand.
I think past experience plays a big part as well as the inability to clearly compare doses. For example, my first nightmare trip was on LSD and was circumstantial and so i have this stigma attached to it. Also, those tabs were fucking ridiculous so who knows how hard i've tripped on mushrooms in comparison. You think you've got this shit figured out, but tripping as a whole is such a big mindfuck it's like every heavy trip is "the heaviest you've ever tripped". There's no way to quantify levels of "fucked up" for accurate comparison.
Just a couple thoughts. But yeah, brain chemistry too. I tend to be a little backwards chemistry wise on some things. Weed fucks me up more than anything, benzos don't do much at all for my anxiety, etc.
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themusicofzann
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Phens, trypts, and ergolines. lovem all. though two of my top three substances are Phens.
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JacksonMetaller
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themusicofzann said: Phens, trypts, and ergolines. lovem all. though two of my top three substances are Phens.
Out of curiosity what are these? i have recently fallen in love with phens and would like to explore them further
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The people who are saying ergolines mean to say lysergamides, as there are many non-psychoactive ergolines (lysergamides are a subgroup of ergolines).* The only ergolines that have been verified as being psychoactive, thus far, are the lysergamides. But I don't think it's accurate to even include lysergamides in the context of tryptamines and phenethyalmines. I think it's a completely different type of category. Actually, I don't know. If lysergamides are truly a unique combination of tryptamines and phenethylamines, then I guess it's fine to include them all in the same context. Shulgin puts the lysergamides in his tryptamines book (TIHKAL). Does he make a comment about this?
*All of these are ergolines (see the very last line). Many of them are not psychoactive:

Chao & Der Marderosian.
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowRefTopFrame&ID=7692&DocPartID=6807
Edited by s240779 (10/31/13 09:57 PM)
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GreySatyr
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: s240779]
#19066507 - 10/31/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good grief, psychedelic psychoactive ergolines. Happy?
I think they fit happily into this debate, it'd be a shame to leave them out of this age old debate.
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Ganja420Boy
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: GreySatyr]
#19067525 - 11/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I wonder how lsz would be Sounds pretty interesting if ya ask me....
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MagicalOrangutan
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: Ganja420Boy]
#19068720 - 11/01/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just wish we didn't have to test chemicals with a legit government narcotics lab to actually know what they are. Because of them being banned, that's the only way to really know.
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BWza
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so lsd is a trypt and phen?
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mattritt
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: BWza]
#19068865 - 11/01/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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From a thread discussing whether LSD is a phenethylamine or tryptamine:
"it's an ergoline, with either a tryptamine or phenethylamine group, depending on how you look at it. it has much higher affinity for the 5HT subtypes, indicating the tryptamine functional group is probably more relevant on its mode of action (it actually acts on several neurotransmitter systems)
ergoline is the backbone structure. " -Piracetam (a chemist himself)
Hit up the search for more info, there's pretty good arguments both ways. But they sem to all agee it has the tryptamine structure atleast.
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
#19069028 - 11/01/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't really tried too many phenethylamines, but I think I might like them more than tryptamines. Phens have a sort of loving and motherly vibe to them, whereas tryptamines are more in your face and mind fucky. IME at least.
I still prefer acid over phenethylamines and tryptamines.
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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
#19069836 - 11/01/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tend to find that for me, mushrooms make my mind wander in an objective way: I can think things out clearly and work many issues out at once in my head. However, LSD makes my mind wander in more of a dreamy way; I think about interesting things, and then my train of thought gets derailed and I start thinking about raccoons or something... haha.
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