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they wanna blow up seattle
I don't think they want to, but they have no real choice but to have nuclear deterrence against the states.
It would be impossible to imagine China not developing these capabilities, really.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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Looks like the Chinese dragon is uncoiling its tail...
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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They won't be blowing up the USA any time soon. Why the fuck would a country that has more money owed to them then any other debt ever in history start a war with them?
And on top of the money they would loose from just the debt we owe the vanishing, the fact alone that some shit like 50 or 60% of all goods made there is imported to th USA. During war trading with those countries is halted and if they nuked us I'm sure we wouldn't be making any new trade arrangments anytime soon. And merca can't live without iPhones and China can't live without our its a good relationship.
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Re: china nukes [Re: fee]
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fee said: They won't be blowing up the USA any time soon. Why the fuck would a country that has more money owed to them then any other debt ever in history start a war with them?
And on top of the money they would loose from just the debt we owe the vanishing, the fact alone that some shit like 50 or 60% of all goods made there is imported to th USA. During war trading with those countries is halted and if they nuked us I'm sure we wouldn't be making any new trade arrangments anytime soon. And merca can't live without iPhones and China can't live without our its a good relationship.
Unless they realize the only way to get those debts actually paid back is to use force or the threat of force?
Just thinking out loud...
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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fee said: They won't be blowing up the USA any time soon. Why the fuck would a country that has more money owed to them then any other debt ever in history start a war with them?
And on top of the money they would loose from just the debt we owe the vanishing, the fact alone that some shit like 50 or 60% of all goods made there is imported to th USA. During war trading with those countries is halted and if they nuked us I'm sure we wouldn't be making any new trade arrangments anytime soon. And merca can't live without iPhones and China can't live without our its a good relationship.
Unless they realize the only way to get those debts actually paid back is to use force or the threat of force?
Just thinking out loud...
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Re: china nukes [Re: fee] 2
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fee said: They won't be blowing up the USA any time soon. Why the fuck would a country that has more money owed to them then any other debt ever in history start a war with them?
And on top of the money they would loose from just the debt we owe the vanishing, the fact alone that some shit like 50 or 60% of all goods made there is imported to th USA. During war trading with those countries is halted and if they nuked us I'm sure we wouldn't be making any new trade arrangments anytime soon. And merca can't live without iPhones and China can't live without our its a good relationship.
Maybe they are interested in repopulating the world with han chinese and money is a secondary objective. If that is the case then they would have no problem eliminating major US cities.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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Seems like their philosophy generally is to avoid wars unless they think they can win them decisively.
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Re: china nukes [Re: psi]
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I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
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learning sponge said: I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
Yes I dont think the Chinese will need Nukes to unseat America as the new global super power, they are already while on their way to doing it Economically. America has never looked weaker and more reviled on the global stage.
So it seems to me anyways.
Even the most patriotic Americans are realizing how corrupt and vicious their own government is. Now the American Government is hated not only by the rest of the world but also by their own people.
I am not sure how long this situation can go on, but one way or another it seems that something has to give.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe] 2
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Instead of complaining about our Government shouldn't we exercise our right to create a new one? Pretty sure that's written down on some old piece of parchment…
I think our problem is that we are #1 in the world at bitching
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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learning sponge said: I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
Yes I dont think the Chinese will need Nukes to unseat America as the new global super power, they are already while on their way to doing it Economically. America has never looked weaker and more reviled on the global stage.
So it seems to me anyways.
Even the most patriotic Americans are realizing how corrupt and vicious their own government is. Now the American Government is hated not only by the rest of the world but also by their own people.
I am not sure how long this situation can go on, but one way or another it seems that something has to give.
um I don't hate America..yeah Obama sucks but im free as hell and obamas helping me with free medical care...I would never turn my back on my country..and no ones takeing over America unless they can disarm our nukes...chinas nukes are based off old soviet technology...china has more man power but wed smoke em with our technology and our better more accurate ICBM's
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and don't make me link you to globalsecurity .org to show you we have much more military hardware than china
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Moonshoe said:
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learning sponge said: I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
Yes I dont think the Chinese will need Nukes to unseat America as the new global super power, they are already while on their way to doing it Economically. America has never looked weaker and more reviled on the global stage.
So it seems to me anyways.
Even the most patriotic Americans are realizing how corrupt and vicious their own government is. Now the American Government is hated not only by the rest of the world but also by their own people.
I am not sure how long this situation can go on, but one way or another it seems that something has to give.
um I don't hate America..yeah Obama sucks but im free as hell and obamas helping me with free medical care...I would never turn my back on my country..and no ones takeing over America unless they can disarm our nukes...chinas nukes are based off old soviet technology...china has more man power but wed smoke em with our technology and our better more accurate ICBM's
Again, I dont think they are going to attack with military. What will likely happen is the Chinese and other governments (Russians, Indians etc) will drop the american greenback as the global currency. When they do Americas economy will detonate and the center of power will shift after a period of instability.
I don't know what the exact ramifications of that are, but it likely means the flow of goods will change, perhaps even reverse.
We are already seeing Chinese exporting less goods to America and purchasing more of their own goods domestically (growing middle class etc). We may see the day when American factory workers slave to build products for export to Chinese consumer markets.
Just speculation. Many commentators observe that in general terms the power is shifting from West to East, but I don't know for sure what is going on.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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Yeah it would make no sense for them to invade or launch nukes, even if they had a more powerful military and nuclear arsenal than the US has (which could well happen in the not too distant future.) Between nuclear powers, the only value of nuclear weapons is as a deterrent really.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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volcomstoner said: Lol we're fucking merica we're goonna fuck them in the ass before they get a chance to blow us up

Need we be reminded? 'Merica could beat the entire world combined.
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learning sponge said: I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
Yes I dont think the Chinese will need Nukes to unseat America as the new global super power, they are already while on their way to doing it Economically. America has never looked weaker and more reviled on the global stage.
So it seems to me anyways.
Even the most patriotic Americans are realizing how corrupt and vicious their own government is. Now the American Government is hated not only by the rest of the world but also by their own people.
I am not sure how long this situation can go on, but one way or another it seems that something has to give.
um I don't hate America..yeah Obama sucks but im free as hell and obamas helping me with free medical care...I would never turn my back on my country..and no ones takeing over America unless they can disarm our nukes...chinas nukes are based off old soviet technology...china has more man power but wed smoke em with our technology and our better more accurate ICBM's
Again, I dont think they are going to attack with military. What will likely happen is the Chinese and other governments (Russians, Indians etc) will drop the american greenback as the global currency. When they do Americas economy will detonate and the center of power will shift after a period of instability.
I don't know what the exact ramifications of that are, but it likely means the flow of goods will change, perhaps even reverse.
We are already seeing Chinese exporting less goods to America and purchasing more of their own goods domestically (growing middle class etc). We may see the day when American factory workers slave to build products for export to Chinese consumer markets.
Just speculation. Many commentators observe that in general terms the power is shifting from West to East, but I don't know for sure what is going on.
An all seriousness though I have to agree with Moonshoe.
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I think that's pretty stupid of china to reveal targets like that...ive never liked Chinese people
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Need we be reminded? 'Merica could beat the entire world combined.
Yeah, it was pretty cool when the soviets, japanese, germans and british teamed up and tried to invade america in 1941, but the minutemen rallied and cracked a liberty bell open and said something about going to texas or hell or similar. And the world's ass was thoroughly kicked.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said:
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Moonshoe said:
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learning sponge said: I had a premonition the next holocaust will be americans
someone said theyre waiting untill our currency is worthless and then take back their debt through our land
Yes I dont think the Chinese will need Nukes to unseat America as the new global super power, they are already while on their way to doing it Economically. America has never looked weaker and more reviled on the global stage.
So it seems to me anyways.
Even the most patriotic Americans are realizing how corrupt and vicious their own government is. Now the American Government is hated not only by the rest of the world but also by their own people.
I am not sure how long this situation can go on, but one way or another it seems that something has to give.
um I don't hate America..yeah Obama sucks but im free as hell and obamas helping me with free medical care...I would never turn my back on my country..and no ones takeing over America unless they can disarm our nukes...chinas nukes are based off old soviet technology...china has more man power but wed smoke em with our technology and our better more accurate ICBM's
Again, I dont think they are going to attack with military. What will likely happen is the Chinese and other governments (Russians, Indians etc) will drop the american greenback as the global currency. When they do Americas economy will detonate and the center of power will shift after a period of instability.
I don't know what the exact ramifications of that are, but it likely means the flow of goods will change, perhaps even reverse.
We are already seeing Chinese exporting less goods to America and purchasing more of their own goods domestically (growing middle class etc). We may see the day when American factory workers slave to build products for export to Chinese consumer markets.
Just speculation. Many commentators observe that in general terms the power is shifting from West to East, but I don't know for sure what is going on.
"Chinese exporting less good to American" If so, it's very little, based on a weaker US consumer.
"purchasing more of their own good domestically" A little more, not much. Most Chinese workers (outside of the top 5-10%) hoard their money, they still don't have much confidence in their financial future.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said:Unless they realize the only way to get those debts actually paid back is to use force or the threat of force?
That would actually erase the debt because they would no longer exist. It turns my stomach to think of a billion lives taken...but we would.
I've read that China's time as super power will only be short and then it is India that will take it's place....USA will still be in charge though.
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Everyone thought a massive nuclear war was imminent from the time the USSR got nukes until the regime fell. It never happened though, because mutually assured destruction means that no rational player will launch the first nuclear strike against a similarly armed enemy. It's only the truly crazy you really have to worry about. IMO a suicidally psychopathic leader would likely be neutralized by some kind of coup by people who don't want to be killed in a nuclear fireworks show.
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Re: china nukes [Re: psi]
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WW3 anyone?!?!
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Nah, why declare war on a country you do so much business with and hold so much debt, China has bigger problems, problems with Uighur minorities in Xinxiang region, a increasingly unstable North Korea. I wouldnt worry over this.
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Actually, for those who think China is undoubtedly going to become the next superpower there are significant problems in their way. Their economy is slowing down according to their own numbers and it might not just be indicative of the recession, it could also point to problems within their system. There is terrible corruption in a one party system, their environment is trashed, they have empty cities due to their construction bubble and the govt's response has been to bulldoze rural homes families have lived on for centuries and force people in to cities. State monopolies, huge wealth gaps between urban v rural, no freedom of expression politically, a massive government that is heavy handed making people disappear for simply voicing their ideals or protesting, an aging population due to one child policy, their male:female ratio is so high on the male side that they literally have markets where parents shop for potential husbands for their daughters They sit there with a stat sheet and shit.
I'm anything but an expert but they have a lot of problems in China. I mean, so does America but I think theirs are far worse than ours and have the potential to get way way worse over time.
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Re: china nukes [Re: Konyap]
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fee said: They won't be blowing up the USA any time soon. Why the fuck would a country that has more money owed to them then any other debt ever in history start a war with them?
And on top of the money they would loose from just the debt we owe the vanishing, the fact alone that some shit like 50 or 60% of all goods made there is imported to th USA. During war trading with those countries is halted and if they nuked us I'm sure we wouldn't be making any new trade arrangments anytime soon. And merca can't live without iPhones and China can't live without our its a good relationship.
Unless they realize the only way to get those debts actually paid back is to use force or the threat of force?
Just thinking out loud...
All of their jobs start in america
they can't fire their boss lol
If you were a bar owner and you had one customer that came in all the time and never paid their bill except in IOUs you might let them back as long as you could sell the worthless IOUs for what you need to keep the bar running. But when that deadbeat customers IOUs stop being accepted anywhere else you won't miss them, in fact you'll be glad they're gone because they never actually did anything except run a scam on you with worthless IOU slips.
This is the relationship USA has with China, we are the deadbeat that won't be missed.
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Very good, very applicable clip on why nukes are fucked up and should not be hoarded.
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Very good, very applicable clip on why nukes are fucked up and should not be hoarded.
Maybe they should be. Any species willing to irradiate thier own plant deserves to be extinct? Maybe the next evolution of intelligent species won't be so stupid. lol
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they won't nuke us because the shitload of nukes in the state of north dakota alone would fucking turn them to dust
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Plus we owe them a fuck ton of money
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Maybe we will slowly enter Cold War II.
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Maybe there will be a new space race to Mars for bragging rights.
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Re: china nukes [Re: psi]
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Politics are dynamic. It could happen.
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