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Big Money is done with the Tea Party.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-31/romney-donors-back-democrat-over-tea-party-in-georgia.html
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Signs of the Republican Party rift between business and the Tea Party are showing up where Democrats most want to see them: in the campaign account of Michelle Nunn, daughter of four-term Georgia Senator Sam Nunn.
“The vast majority of Americans say they don’t want the government to shut down, they want middle ground,” said John Wieland, founder of John Wieland Homes and Neighborhoods Inc., who together with his wife penned checks totaling $10,400 to Nunn’s Democratic U.S. Senate bid. In the 2010 midterms, the Wielands each gave $4,800 to the Republican Senate candidate. Enlarge image Romney Backers Switching Sides in Georgia Race in Tea Party Snub
With the help of son, Vinson, left, and husband Ron, U. S. Senate candidate Michelle Nunn Martin and other volunteers stuff book bags with school supplies for residents of the Georgia Industrial Children's Home on Aug. 7, 2013. Photographer: Beau Cabell/The Telegraph/AP Images
“Michelle understands that middle ground, and that’s why we wrote the checks,” Wieland said.
It’s a sentiment shared by some business donors from Virginia to Arkansas, and one Democrats want to spread as the parties vie for control of the Senate in the 2014 midterms.
Nunn, 46, is running for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss, and her opponent has yet to be determined. Eight Republicans are competing in a June 3 primary, including three U.S. House members who supported the ill-fated plan to link defunding Obamacare to lifting the debt ceiling and passing a government spending bill. Their efforts led to a 16-day shutdown that Standard & Poor’s estimated cost the U.S. economy $24 billion.
In addition to Wieland, Nunn’s donors include Jim Cox Kennedy, the chairman of Atlanta-based communications company Cox Enterprises Inc., who contributed $2,600 to her candidacy, after giving $30,800 to the Republican National Committee and $5,000 to Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in 2012. Romney Donor
She’s also got support from Tom Cousins, former chief executive officer of Cousins Properties Inc. (CUZ) and a developer who helped shape downtown Atlanta in the 1970s and 1980s, who has given her $5,200. Cousins donated $50,800 to the RNC and $5,000 to Romney. Both Kennedy and Cousins declined to comment on their donations.
The financial push-back by the business community against the small-government Tea Party movement extends to Virginia, where Republican businessmen are cutting checks and commercials to support Democrat Terry McAuliffe in the governor’s race rather than state Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, a Republican Tea-Party favorite.
In Arkansas, Democratic Senator Mark Pryor is facing U.S. Representative Tom Cotton, a House Republican who voted against opening the government and a five-year farm bill. Pryor is highlighting both votes to draw donations from the agriculture community and other boardrooms. Arkansas Giving
As of June 30, when the farm bill was being debated and the shutdown had yet to occur, Pryor had raised $89,750 from the crop production and basic processing industry, compared with $16,750 that went to his opponent.
Cotton’s biggest donor was Club for Growth, a Tea-Party aligned group, according to the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political giving.
The shifting partisan allegiances, even if temporary, are significant because Republicans are seeking to capture a net of six seats in next year’s elections to regain a majority in the Senate. Holding their Georgia seat and defeating Pryor are vital components of their plan, both of which will be more difficult if a sizable number of the party’s corporate backers give both their money and their votes to Democrats.
Nunn’s race is among the marquee contests because it presents a rare opportunity for the Democrats to take away a seat from their partisan adversaries. ‘Known Quantity’
“It’s big, and Michelle Nunn is particularly well positioned because she’s already raised money from business for years for the Points of Light Foundation,” said Jennifer Duffy, Senate editor of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report in Washington. “She’s a known quantity to them, which helps.”
Brook Hougesen, a spokeswoman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, dismissed the importance of the donations.
“Any candidate is going to have a few CEOs supporting them,” she said. “It’s not an extraordinary amount of support she’s getting.”
Nunn is tapping her political pedigree as scion of a pro-business Democrat and those corporate ties from serving as president of the Points of Light volunteer group founded by former Republican President George H.W. Bush to solicit cash.
Jim Geiger, chairman of the Atlanta-based telecommunications company Cbeyond Inc. (CBEY) and a self-described lifelong Republican, said his support for Nunn is based on his prior charitable work with her and a desire to see a bipartisan cluster of Senators who understand business priorities. Friendly Republicans
He’s hosting a fundraiser for Nunn later this year, and “since most of my friends, if not all of them, are Republicans, there will be a strong showing of Republican businessmen,” Geiger said.
Arthur Blank, the owner of the Atlanta Falcons and co-founder of Home Depot Inc. (HD), has given $5,200. Blank has cut checks for candidates from both parties, including $3,000 in 2010 for Republican Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia.
Nunn drew attention to the votes her opponents cast against the bipartisan debt-limit measure during an Oct. 28 campaign stop. While visiting Fort Benning Army Base in Columbus, Georgia, she talked with defense workers about the impact of the shutdown. Afterward, she issued a statement decrying the effect on the state’s economy.
“Instead of playing political games that hurt Georgia families, Congress needs to take a pragmatic approach to solving our nation’s fiscal challenges and reining in spending,” Nunn said. “That’s what I’ll do as Georgia’s senator.” Unique DNA
Jim Grien, the president of the investment bank TM Capital Corp. and Nunn’s campaign treasurer, said Nunn has “some very unique DNA” in politics and her family name raises her profile beyond those of the Republican House incumbents in the race.
Sam Nunn, 75, was chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and he built a reputation for breaking from his Democratic colleagues on tax increases and other issues. Her father also has worked with former Indiana Republican Senator Richard Lugar on nuclear nonproliferation, an endeavor that earned them Nobel Peace Prize nominations.
The Republican field in the race includes Representatives Paul Broun, Jack Kingston and Phil Gingrey, all of whom voted against bipartisan legislation that opened the government and prevented a default on the nation’s debt, now $17 trillion.
Also running is David Perdue, the former chief executive officer of Dollar General Corp. (DG) and the cousin of former Governor Sonny Perdue; and former Secretary of State Karen Handel, who resigned in 2012 as an executive at the Susan G. Komen foundation, a breast cancer charity, amid controversy over pulling funding from Planned Parenthood, which provides women’s health screenings and abortions.
Michelle Nunn, who joined the race in late July, raised $1.73 million by Sept. 30, bested only by Kingston, who has raised $3.35 million and Perdue, who has collected $1.81 million including a $500,000 personal loan and a $500,000 donation to his campaign.
Good riddance. The Tea Party is nothing but a sham. Full of racists and "small government" preachers who want nothing more than to regulate who can marry who, regulate women's bodies, and destroy the country that they claim to be fighting for. Astroturfers, through and through. Hopefully they bring the GOP down with them, and end this shameful age in American politics.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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We can only hope so. These lunatics want to return the US to a Theocratic vision of the 1950's that never existed except in their imaginations.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said: We can only hope so. These lunatics want to return the US to a Theocratic vision of the 1950's that never existed except in their imaginations.
Jeff Daniels nailed it. "The American Taliban"
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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Mush, I'm no fan of the Tea Party, but they did stress fiscal discipline which is very out of favor for 99.9% of the population.
Today we never feel any pain from accumulating massive debt and yearly deficits, so any notion of fiscal discipline makes no sense to the 99.9% who accepts the free lunch of more debt and no pain.
Anyone that studies economics knows there are no "free lunches" in the long term, but people don't know their economic history. What do you think is going to happen when we hit $22 trillion in federal debt and we hit the financial debt wall? It will be time to pay the piper, and it won't be fun for the majority of Americans.
It would be great to live beyond ones means for a whole lifetime, but that's not the real world, when does it come back to bite everyone? No one knows, but it can't go on forever.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
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Mush, I'm no fan of the Tea Party, but they did stress fiscal discipline which is very out of favor for 99.9% of the population.
No, they stressed not paying our nation's financial obligations. They stressed irresponsible financial decisions. They stressed gutting regulations and imposing their own moral code on the rest of the country. Cutting the deficit is good. Reducing our debt, in theory, is good. Conservatism has never worked on a macro scale, as far as I can tell, and they weren't even real conservatives. They, singlehandedly, were the reason that America's AAA credit rating was lowered.
Dog-whistle racists using coded language to fire up an angry base, while being funded by some of the wealthiest people in the nation.
I don't care if you're a "Blue Dog," or a "RINO," but whatever helps shift our country back towards the center-left, and away from Reaganomics is a good thing. Fuck the Tea Party, and every last person who associates with them. Once again, I hope their bullshit destroys the political right in America.
You say it is "great to live beyond one's means for a lifetime," yet, this is exactly what the boomer generation did, and now they have created an ideology to destroy what made them so successful. Fuck them, and good riddance.
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#19070388 - 11/01/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Tea Party, which is a fiction, is the only opposition to big government. The Republicans aren't. They just want a different big government. Do you know why the Chamber of Commerce is opposed to the Tae Party guys? They want to keep their corporate welfare. Tell me again how much you love corporate welfare.
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#19071684 - 11/01/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You, of all people, I thought would respect politicians that aren't in the pocket of big business? THAT is why they are losing some business support--they threaten the gravy train.
Some other points:
TEA stands for 'Taxed enough already'
1) Please show evidence of 'racism' in the TEA party. That is only what is spouted on the mainstream media.
2) Their agenda has never been to create a theocratic state. That again is what LIBERALS said, even though some are religious. If there are people with strong religious beliefs that is so; however, Libertarians strongly believe in the segregation of church and state.
3) They NEVER wanted to not pay the countries debt. They clearly stated that the debts would be paid.
You guys fall for the classic political trick of the opposing party and media defining the position of the other side. Just because Obama and the Mainstream make a claim that doesn't mean it is true.
Just because some members of a group have strong positions you can't apply that to the whole group. That would be like saying every democrat is a lying cocksucker just because Obama is one.
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#19071698 - 11/01/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: That would be like saying every democrat is a lying cocksucker just because Obama is one.
They aren't? Name one!
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19071968 - 11/01/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Erwin Chemerinsky.
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Nope
"saying that even if an individual right to bear arms exists, the District of Columbia was justified in restricting that right because it believed that the law would lessen violence"
This is a lie.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19074359 - 11/02/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The tea party is backed by the Koch Brothers. As Bill Hicks would say "everything they say is suspect and each word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink."
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: B_BOY]
#19074411 - 11/02/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I voted for Obama because I thought he would legalize marijuana haha.
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#19074420 - 11/02/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no you didn't did you? you fell for one of his big lies huh?
he has did more to hurt marijuana than any other president in history.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19074423 - 11/02/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If McCain had won, there would be no tea party. It is an astro turf organization invented by the Koch's and Glen Beck.
The rubes in the movement are shills for The Big Boys who just don't like paying taxes at all. The rubes are fueled by the unveiled racism, homophobia, hatred, and "i want my country back" hick mentality.
What we need is for the tea partiers and republicans to die off ... they are, just one funeral at a time. Then we need a real progressive party to represent the Smart People. The democratic party isn't liberal -- you fell for it, huh? -- they are right of the Reagan republicans of the 80's.
Don't ever think that anything you see on "the TV" is news. There is no real news on tv anymore, just "corporate news". If you insist on getting your information from there, then you probably just put a cork in it because you are just a parrot. grawk!! grawk!!
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: B_BOY]
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He hasn't been as friendly to mj as we thought he would but I don't recall him ever saying that he was going to champion that cause to begin with. Was one of his campaign promises to legalize weed in all 50 states? No. So, where is the big lie? But more important, where do you get this stuff? Are you retarded?
Also, he has not "did more" to hurt marijuana -- what does that even mean for god's sake??? He's into BSDM with plants? How do you "hurt marijuana"... isn't smoking it pretty hurtful?
Just head over to the day room and watch some tv until your meds kick in.
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Like a typical Liberal you run from facts, did you read any of the article? No? Can you read? Do you have those glasses that hide facts from your eyes? btw the Big Lie list is growing daily
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: B_BOY]
#19074523 - 11/02/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alex Jones swears up and down that Obama used a weather weapon on Edmund, Oklahoma. So, get your umbrella, moron.
Of course Mojo and RS are going to call out Obama for any continuation of drug policy... He has not "did more" than any president to hurt marijuana (policy or plant). That is ludicrous.
Did he shoot Vince Foster, too? Is he muslin? Oh, brother. I almost can't comprehend your stupidity.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: B_BOY]
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I beg to differ, he made it so states could regulate laws like that. It would be hard for him to get support if he was just like "hell yeah lets legalize weed". I like Ron Paul in a way because he is truthful but he also has some crazy theories about how to do things and he isn't going to get into office because he is very liberal and very conservative at the same time.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: mindgnome]
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you can't beg to differ from facts..
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that isn't a fact lol. I would sort of see what you say as flaming but the thing is I think you actually believe what you say. Obama isn't a saint but he has actually been more generous to drug offenders than most presidents.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: mindgnome]
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not true at all, did you read the article?
flaming? if that meant i was flaming someone needs to tighten their britches a lil.
I understand that you Libs Want to believe everything the Liar in chief says.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
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IDK all your saying about obama seems that almost every preisident has done and if you compare it to bush like i just did bush was way worse. he may not be great but what president was they all have dirty secrets they have to deal with that shit is kinda their job. the point was money needs to be out of politics all together maybe we should ONLY vote for people with no corporate backing who would disagree with that except people who want to control things so fuck um dont vote for um any of um!!
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: lighthouse09]
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I would vote for someone with no corporate backing. As long as they weren't some crazy conservative weirdo.
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explain how Bush was WAY worse, not just with opinions but with some facts this time. I posted over 400 lies Obama has told so far. Not to mention if you like your current insurance you can keep it period. That lie he told a dozen times. But let me guess, blame Bush for Obamas lies also? I wonder if any Democrats will ever wake up to see they have been mislead by the biggest fake in US presidential history. Even Jimmy Carter is calling out his policies now LOL!
Yeah gnome cuz no Democrats are crazy right? Pelosi said WE must pass this bill to see what's in it first
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George Bush was awful and because what has gone on in congress his shitty policies stay alive.
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baldtim said: If McCain had won, there would be no tea party. It is an astro turf organization invented by the Koch's and Glen Beck.
The rubes in the movement are shills for The Big Boys who just don't like paying taxes at all. The rubes are fueled by the unveiled racism, homophobia, hatred, and "i want my country back" hick mentality.
What we need is for the tea partiers and republicans to die off ... they are, just one funeral at a time. Then we need a real progressive party to represent the Smart People. The democratic party isn't liberal -- you fell for it, huh? -- they are right of the Reagan republicans of the 80's.
Don't ever think that anything you see on "the TV" is news. There is no real news on tv anymore, just "corporate news". If you insist on getting your information from there, then you probably just put a cork in it because you are just a parrot. grawk!! grawk!!
Except for the last part about TV news everything you wrote is bullshit.
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mindgnome said: George Bush was awful and because what has gone on in congress his shitty policies stay alive.
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B_BOY said: Like a typical Liberal you run from facts, did you read any of the article? No? Can you read? Do you have those glasses that hide facts from your eyes? btw the Big Lie list is growing daily
It isn't an article, it's a blog, with many, many dubious and misleading entries. Something that the right loves.
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starfire_xes said: You, of all people, I thought would respect politicians that aren't in the pocket of big business? THAT is why they are losing some business support--they threaten the gravy train.
Some other points:
TEA stands for 'Taxed enough already'
1) Please show evidence of 'racism' in the TEA party. That is only what is spouted on the mainstream media.
2) Their agenda has never been to create a theocratic state. That again is what LIBERALS said, even though some are religious. If there are people with strong religious beliefs that is so; however, Libertarians strongly believe in the segregation of church and state.
3) They NEVER wanted to not pay the countries debt. They clearly stated that the debts would be paid.
You guys fall for the classic political trick of the opposing party and media defining the position of the other side. Just because Obama and the Mainstream make a claim that doesn't mean it is true.
Just because some members of a group have strong positions you can't apply that to the whole group. That would be like saying every democrat is a lying cocksucker just because Obama is one.
Firstly, I don't want politicians in the pockets of businessmen, but until we get campaign finance reform, that will never happen. Therefore, I would rather more moderate candidates to be backed the money, instead of the racist, bigoted, "god loving" candidates of the Tea Party.
1) http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/inge-marler-tea-party-arkansas-leader-racist-joke_n_1597334.html
http://socialistworker.org/2010/07/20/calling-out-tea-party-racists
http://www.naacp.org/pages/tea-party-report
http://aattp.org/20-of-the-most-racist-teapublican-political-signs/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/gop-anti-immigration_n_3618392.html
Not to even go into the religious hate speech, and xenophobic comments.
2) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/25/979298/-The-Tea-Party-Patriots-expose-their-theocratic-roots-and-try-to-infiltrate-our-schools
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2010/10/27/the-party-of-theocracy
https://www.au.org/church-state/january-2011-church-state/people-events/tea-party-reps-want-%E2%80%98christian-nation%E2%80%99-view-of
They want to ban abortion, prevent same-sex marriage, include creationism in science courses, and force people to have religious studies classes.
Besides that, Michelle Bachmann claims she is a prophet, E.W. Jackson claims that God created the tea party, teaparty.org claims "Yes, we are a Christian nation," and Jim Demint thinks that the Tea Party will restore American's faith in God.
But nope, they don't want to enforce their strict "moral" code on anybody.
3) Here are the senators that to default on our nation's debt.
Coburn (R-OK), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), Cruz (R-TX), Enzi (R-WY), Grassley (R-IA), Heller (R-NV), Johnson (R-WI), Lee (R-UT)Paul (R-KY), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Rubio (R-FL), Scott (R-SC), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Toomey (R-PA), Vitter (R-LA).
You can see which ones are tea party aligned.
You can find the house vote here: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/550
And notice that the 144 "no" votes, or a vote to default on our nations debt were not only all republicans, but many of them are also Tea Party aligned, or heralded by the Tea Party as being a quality candidate.
You can try to claim that "Just because some members of a group have strong positions you can't apply that to the whole group." But when that goes from "some," to a large minority, or even a majority, you can start applying those things to a whole group. You've got Tea Party leaders, Tea Party supporters, and Tea Party candidates and they're all doing this shit. You can no longer blame this on "mainstream media." That's the huge fucking joke of a cop-out too.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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B_BOY said: Like a typical Liberal you run from facts, did you read any of the article? No? Can you read? Do you have those glasses that hide facts from your eyes? btw the Big Lie list is growing daily
It isn't an article, it's a blog, with many, many dubious and misleading entries. Something that the right loves.
It's an article on a blog replete with numerous sources and facts. Please feel free to point out the misleading entries. Thanks in advance, Komrade.Quote:
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starfire_xes said: You, of all people, I thought would respect politicians that aren't in the pocket of big business? THAT is why they are losing some business support--they threaten the gravy train. Some other points:
TEA stands for 'Taxed enough already'
1) Please show evidence of 'racism' in the TEA party. That is only what is spouted on the mainstream media.
2) Their agenda has never been to create a theocratic state. That again is what LIBERALS said, even though some are religious. If there are people with strong religious beliefs that is so; however, Libertarians strongly believe in the segregation of church and state.
3) They NEVER wanted to not pay the countries debt. They clearly stated that the debts would be paid.
You guys fall for the classic political trick of the opposing party and media defining the position of the other side. Just because Obama and the Mainstream make a claim that doesn't mean it is true.
Just because some members of a group have strong positions you can't apply that to the whole group. That would be like saying every democrat is a lying cocksucker just because Obama is one.
Firstly, I don't want politicians in the pockets of businessmen, but until we get campaign finance reform, that will never happen. Therefore, I would rather more moderate candidates to be backed the money, instead of the racist, bigoted, "god loving" candidates of the Tea Party.
1) http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html
That will do quite enough to establish that you lie. The accusation was a lie. Nobody called Lewis a "nigger".
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026646.php
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Not a single video corroborated it although many videos were shot that day, and despite Breitbart’s offer of a $100,000 reward to anyone producing a video that corroborated it. No independent journalist or other eyewitness stepped forward to vouch for the congressmen’s story.
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Coburn (R-OK), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), Cruz (R-TX), Enzi (R-WY), Grassley (R-IA), Heller (R-NV), Johnson (R-WI), Lee (R-UT)Paul (R-KY), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Rubio (R-FL), Scott (R-SC), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Toomey (R-PA), Vitter (R-LA).
You can see which ones are tea party aligned.
You can find the house vote here: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/550
And notice that the 144 "no" votes, or a vote to default on our nations debt were not only all republicans, but many of them are also Tea Party aligned, or heralded by the Tea Party as being a quality candidate.
There was never a threat to default on the debt. Another lie. The government takes in plenty of funds every month needed to service the debt. If you have to borrow money to pay your debts what do you call that? I call it a Ponzi scheme.Quote:
You can try to claim that "Just because some members of a group have strong positions you can't apply that to the whole group." But when that goes from "some," to a large minority, or even a majority, you can start applying those things to a whole group. You've got Tea Party leaders, Tea Party supporters, and Tea Party candidates
Is the Congressional Black Caucus a racist organization? Yes, it most certainly is and a large minority of Democrats belong to it. So let's call the Dems what they are. Racists.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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"saying that even if an individual right to bear arms exists, the District of Columbia was justified in restricting that right because it believed that the law would lessen violence"
This is a lie.
Not at all...it's a legal argument. It isn't a factual assertion at all. Something doesn't become a lie simply because you disagree. You're really stretching here.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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I don't think so. I think the absurdity of the argument, i.e. that there are no Constitutional Rights immune to a dubious efficacy argument about what politicians "feel", is so far over the top as to constitute a lie. I'm sure he's told a few other whoppers as well but that one came right out to me.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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You're completely wrong, of course. No Constitutional right is absolute. The right to bear arms, while individual and fundamental can still be infringed if the government has a compelling interest. That is hornbook law. He was simply arguing that the desire to reduce crime and violence was a compelling interest. You're entitled to disagree as the SCOTUS did. That doesn't make it a lie.
You're never going to find a human being on the planet with which you agree on everything. If disagreement means that person is a liar, then there's really no need for the word since it describes every human except yourself.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Did you read what he said?
"justified in restricting that right because it believed". That is abject nonsense and he knows it.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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1) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval
Dubious. Congressional approval wasn't necessary. Kucinich's position that Obama violated the constitution is meaningless.
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2) Gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton – just like Bush did.
Flat out lie. The blogger even mentions "a former subsidiary of Halliburton." KBR is no longer a subsidiary to Halliburton, so unless you can find no bid contracts to Halliburton, this is false.
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5) Broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay
Dubious. This argument has been completely played out. I know you will say that Obama has the power to unilaterally close the prison and transfer prisoners, but that simply is not the case.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/
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10) Expanded Bush’s unconstitutional government faith based programs
Dubious. Unconstitutional by whose standards? Because one program that was funded crossed the line?
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11) Supported Bush’s unconstitutional Patriot Act
Once again, dubious. Unconstitutional as decided on by which court?
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12) Increased the national debt more in one term than Bush did in two
Although true, completely ignoring the reasons why there was such a large deficit is misleading. The president doesn't set spending levels. Congress does.
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27) Falsely claimed to believe in public education
And this is based on the fact that he sent his kids to private school? Has any child of a president gone to a public school in the last 30 years (5 different administrations)?
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39) Auctioned off ambassadorship to the Netherlands
So the fuck what? This happens in every administration. Bundlers and fundraisers get cushy ambassadorships.
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68) Announced plans to send military to Australia
So the fuck what?
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71) Rejected international help to clean up BP oil spill
So the fuck what?
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76) Sent U.S. troops to Africa
So the fuck what?
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79) Illegally gave Obamacare exemptions to unions that supported the passage of Obamacare
Pants on fire.
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82) Supported Bush administration for fining CBS for showing Janet Jackson’s breast
So the fuck what?
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91) Tried to replace science with political correctness
Dubious. Saying you want to bring the anti-science portion of the Muslim world into the modern times is not being "politically correct," it is tapping into a portion of the world that used to be the center of scientific advancement before religious zealots took over.
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100) Approved giving 20 F-16 fighter jets to a Sharia dictatorship
Although true, this was due to a long standing treaty with Egypt, to help maintain peace between Egypt and Israel. It is misleading that the Pat Robertson founded ACLJ ignores this key fact.
I've gone through 100 of these now, taking the better part of an hour and a half. Most of these complaints would be listed under the "etc." portion of "lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc." A few blatant lies. Many that are simply complaints about something the author doesn't like. Most are so trivial that you would scratch your head asking "Who gives a fuck?" Others are a concern, but having so much trash with a few pockets of truth that people can claim "See, it's stating FACTS" is dishonesty at its finest.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Did you read what he said?
"justified in restricting that right because it believed". That is abject nonsense and he knows it.
No. You disagree with it, but that doesn't make it nonsense. If the government believes that a compelling interest will be served by the law, and the law is narrowly tailored to that interest, it's constitutional. The government doesn't have to always be right...they just have to have a good faith belief that they are right.
Again. You don't have to agree, but that's Con law 101. Ask your daughter.
By the way, the SCOTUS actually didn't disagree that DC had a compelling interest that was served by the handgun ban. They just disagreed that the handgun ban was narrowly tailored to the compelling interest....So they actually agreed with Chemerinsky on that particular point.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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1) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval
Dubious. Congressional approval wasn't necessary. Kucinich's position that Obama violated the constitution is meaningless.
Did he or did he not do it?
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2) Gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton – just like Bush did.
Flat out lie. The blogger even mentions "a former subsidiary of Halliburton." KBR is no longer a subsidiary to Halliburton, so unless you can find no bid contracts to Halliburton, this is false.
Whatever. He has given dozens, at least, of no bid contracts
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5) Broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay
Dubious. This argument has been completely played out. I know you will say that Obama has the power to unilaterally close the prison and transfer prisoners, but that simply is not the case.
It is the case
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/
I might remind you that for the first two years of his Presidency he had a completelly compliant Congress and he made no effor to close Gitmo
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10) Expanded Bush’s unconstitutional government faith based programs
Dubious. Unconstitutional by whose standards? Because one program that was funded crossed the line?
You can argue the constitutionality if you want but he did expand the faith based programs
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11) Supported Bush’s unconstitutional Patriot Act
Once again, dubious. Unconstitutional as decided on by which court?
Once again, he did support it. Just like Bush
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12) Increased the national debt more in one term than Bush did in two
Although true, completely ignoring the reasons why there was such a large deficit is misleading. The president doesn't set spending levels. Congress does.
It is because of his spending policies and business destroying policies. He totally controlled Congress for the first two years and still has a poodle Senate. This is owned by Obama
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27) Falsely claimed to believe in public education
And this is based on the fact that he sent his kids to private school? Has any child of a president gone to a public school in the last 30 years (5 different administrations)?
Beats me. All that matters is that his don't
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39) Auctioned off ambassadorship to the Netherlands
So the fuck what? This happens in every administration. Bundlers and fundraisers get cushy ambassadorships.
So bad shit is OK because somebody else did it?
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68) Announced plans to send military to Australia
So the fuck what?
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71) Rejected international help to clean up BP oil spill
So the fuck what?
Is it or is it not true?
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76) Sent U.S. troops to Africa
So the fuck what?
Is it or is it not true?
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79) Illegally gave Obamacare exemptions to unions that supported the passage of Obamacare
Pants on fire.
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82) Supported Bush administration for fining CBS for showing Janet Jackson’s breast
So the fuck what?
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91) Tried to replace science with political correctness
Dubious. Saying you want to bring the anti-science portion of the Muslim world into the modern times is not being "politically correct," it is tapping into a portion of the world that used to be the center of scientific advancement before religious zealots took over.
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100) Approved giving 20 F-16 fighter jets to a Sharia dictatorship
Although true, this was due to a long standing treaty with Egypt, to help maintain peace between Egypt and Israel. It is misleading that the Pat Robertson founded ACLJ ignores this key fact.
I've gone through 100 of these now, taking the better part of an hour and a half. Most of these complaints would be listed under the "etc." portion of "lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc." A few blatant lies. Many that are simply complaints about something the author doesn't like. Most are so trivial that you would scratch your head asking "Who gives a fuck?" Others are a concern, but having so much trash with a few pockets of truth that people can claim "See, it's stating FACTS" is dishonesty at its finest.
What blatant lie?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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"Did he or did he not do it," or "is it true or not" is not the question. I was told that these would be 400+ examples of "lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc." That simply isn't what this list is. It's a big old list of stuff that some dude on the internet doesn't like about the Obama administration.
You claim "I might remind you that for the first two years of his Presidency he had a completelly compliant Congress and he made no effor to close Gitmo"
Obviously, you didn't read the Politifact article. I would call signing an executive order to close Gitmo, some sort of effort. To call the congress "completely compliant" ignores that the "War on Terror" has bipartisan support.
"So bad shit is OK because somebody else did it?"
Explain how this is "bad." Who better to send abroad to first world allied countries and be the mouthpiece for your administration than people who cared enough about getting you elected?
Blatant lies:
Calling KBR Halliburton Union waivers Support for public education Calling things unconstitutional that have never been put through the courts.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: "Did he or did he not do it," or "is it true or not" is not the question. I was told that these would be 400+ examples of "lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc." That simply isn't what this list is. It's a big old list of stuff that some dude on the internet doesn't like about the Obama administration.
You claim "I might remind you that for the first two years of his Presidency he had a completelly compliant Congress and he made no effor to close Gitmo"
Obviously, you didn't read the Politifact article. I would call signing an executive order to close Gitmo, some sort of effort. To call the congress "completely compliant" ignores that the "War on Terror" has bipartisan support.
"So bad shit is OK because somebody else did it?"
Explain how this is "bad." Who better to send abroad to first world allied countries and be the mouthpiece for your administration than people who cared enough about getting you elected?
Blatant lies:
Calling KBR Halliburton Union waivers Support for public education Calling things unconstitutional that have never been put through the courts.
He has given unions waivers He doesn't send his kids to public school and anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something. That is how they get to the courts. And then you ask this screamingly stupid question:
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Explain how this is "bad." Who better to send abroad to first world allied countries and be the mouthpiece for your administration than people who cared enough about getting you elected?
They do not represent the Obama administration. They represent America. Cult of personality.
Basically all you have is that KBR is separated from Halliburton now?
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By the way, this is the actual post made in the blog article
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In May 2010, it was reported that the Obama administration had selected KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011, just hours after the Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of using kickbacks to get foreign contracts.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Except for the fact that claims it was Halliburton in the header.
I should have said "exemption" instead of waiver. "To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014."
"He doesn't send his kids to public school"
That says nothing about support or lack of support to public education. Unless you can prove this statement, it is lie to say that is his position.
"anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something"
While this is true, stating something as a fact when it so obviously isn't is a lie.
"They do not represent the Obama administration. They represent America."
At the behest of who? The administration.
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Mush4Brains said: Except for the fact that claims it was Halliburton in the header.
Except for the fact that it is 100% clarified in the body.Quote:
I should have said "exemption" instead of waiver. "To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014."
So? I didn't get that waiver. My health insurance is gone come the new year. Gone.Quote:
"He doesn't send his kids to public school"
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That says nothing about support or lack of support to public education. Unless you can prove this statement, it is lie to say that is his position.
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"anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something"
While this is true, stating something as a fact when it so obviously isn't is a lie.
Well then you shouldn't have said it was.Quote:
"They do not represent the Obama administration. They represent America."
At the behest of who? The administration.
The administration operates at the behest of the American People. You have it completely backwards
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
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baldtim said: If McCain had won, there would be no tea party. It is an astro turf organization invented by the Koch's and Glen Beck.
parrot the pelosi much?
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What we need is for the tea partiers and republicans to die off ... they are, just one funeral at a time. Then we need a real progressive party to represent the Smart People.
lol... here's you an interesting read. it shows who the more educated folks are... a little hint, it's not the progressives that mimic their political heros
http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/10/15/some-data-on-education-religiosity-ideology-and-science-comp.html
here's an example of the smart you worship
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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So? I didn't get that waiver. My health insurance is gone come the new year. Gone.
That sucks for you. The blog claims unions are exempt. They aren't. Lie.
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You vote with your feet. He didn't send his kids to public school in Chicago either
Sending his children to private school has no bearing on his support or lack of support of the public education system. Unless you can specifically find me something that shows that Obama is trying to destroy or damage the public education system, this is another lie.
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Well then you shouldn't have said it was.
It's a lie to call something a fact when you know it isn't.
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The administration operates at the behest of the American People. You have it completely backwards
No they don't. You can't demand the Executive Branch to do something you want. They simply represent the American public. We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country. We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.
You're very good at turning discussions into exactly what you want them to be, to make yourself look good. This is why every thread Political Discussion ends up winding back down to you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "na na na na."
The Tea Party is fucked, and so is the GOP. I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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The President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress. Congress is accountable to the people. I don't see why that's hard for you to understand?
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Mush4Brains said: We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country. We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.
Another lefty who believes that every four years the American people elect a king. That's not how it works.
And yes, the American people (through their elected representatives, members of Congress) do in fact tell the president what to do. The Executive Branch does not decide what the law of the land will be, Congress does that.
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I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.
Of course you will. You're a lefty. Lefties don't want people to be free, they want people to do what they tell them to do.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress. Congress is accountable to the people. I don't see why that's hard for you to understand?
Are you talking to me? I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people. That would be zappa.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Phred]
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Mush4Brains said: We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country. We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.
Another lefty who believes that every four years the American people elect a king. That's not how it works.
And yes, the American people (through their elected representatives, members of Congress) do in fact tell the president what to do. The Executive Branch does not decide what the law of the land will be, Congress does that.
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I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.
Of course you will. You're a lefty. Lefties don't want people to be free, they want people to do what they tell them to do.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Are you talking to me? I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people. That would be zappa.
Yes...I'm talking to you. The administration acts at the behest of the people by executing laws written by a congress that is accountable to the people. What part of that is hard for you to understand?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Are you talking to me? I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people. That would be zappa.
Yes...I'm talking to you. The administration acts at the behest of the people by executing laws written by a congress that is accountable to the people. What part of that is hard for you to understand?
So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy . The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress). This is what zappa and I were talking about. I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.
Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public. To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19075922 - 11/02/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: It's so great to have unbiased moderation here.
Yes, The Shroomery is pretty fortunate in that regard. People here don't get banned for what they believe, but for how they behave. You wouldn't believe how rare a thing that is in political discussion boards.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19075987 - 11/02/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy . The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress). This is what zappa and I were talking about. I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.
Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public. To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.
Ambassador appointments must go through the Senate.
Everything the President does must consider input from the public. If a President does something that is universally hated, he won't be President for long. The next President will also be on notice about that particular issue.
You seem to not understand the way our system works.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Mush4Brains said: So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy . The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress). This is what zappa and I were talking about. I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.
Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public. To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.
Ambassador appointments must go through the Senate.
Everything the President does must consider input from the public. If a President does something that is universally hated, he won't be President for long. The next President will also be on notice about that particular issue.
You seem to not understand the way our system works.
Only a president who wants to be re-elected needs to worry about public input, as long as they stay within their constitutionally afforded powers. Yes, the Senate must confirm them, but it is very rare that a selection isn't confirmed, which makes my statement "little to absolutely no input" acceptable, in my view. How often do you think senators get people contacting them about Ambassador confirmation?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Probably pretty rarely...mostly because the public doesn't give a shit. When they give a shit, they make it known...or they piss and moan on an internet forum.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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So do you have anything to add about how much the Tea Party sucks, or are you only here to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19076123 - 11/02/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The tea party is meh. They never really had a consistent platform. I dug their stance on small government, but they never really came to any consensus about where the line should be drawn.
I prefer libertarians to tea partiers any day.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19076148 - 11/02/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So? I didn't get that waiver. My health insurance is gone come the new year. Gone.
That sucks for you. The blog claims unions are exempt. They aren't. Lie.
They are exempt from the requirements of Obamacare. They got a waiver. So did over a 1000 other entities. What part of that do you not understand?Quote:
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You vote with your feet. He didn't send his kids to public school in Chicago either
Sending his children to private school has no bearing on his support or lack of support of the public education system. Unless you can specifically find me something that shows that Obama is trying to destroy or damage the public education system, this is another lie.
He isn't using it. What part of that do you not understand? He clearly does not believe in public schooling since he didn't send his own kids there. Quote:
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Well then you shouldn't have said it was.
It's a lie to call something a fact when you know it isn't.
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The administration operates at the behest of the American People. You have it completely backwards
No they don't. You can't demand the Executive Branch to do something you want. They simply represent the American public. We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country. We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.
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You're very good at turning discussions into exactly what you want them to be, to make yourself look good. This is why every thread Political Discussion ends up winding back down to you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "na na na na."
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The Tea Party is fucked, and so is the GOP. I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.
If you are correct you will be even more fucked than both of them. You are going to run out fo other people's money to confiscate and then what will you do? Work?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The tea party is meh. They never really had a consistent platform. I dug their stance on small government, but they never really came to any consensus about where the line should be drawn.
I prefer libertarians to tea partiers any day.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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What small government platform? The small government that wanted to criminalize a woman's constitutional right to abortion? The small government that wants to ban same-sex marriages? The small government that creates new laws to prevent non-existent in-person voter fraud? The small government that allows companies to destroy the economy with no retribution?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: What small government platform? The small government that wanted to criminalize a woman's constitutional right to abortion?
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The small government that wants to ban same-sex marriages?
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The small government that creates new laws to prevent non-existent in-person voter fraud?
There is plenty of voter fraud.Quote:
The small government that allows companies to destroy the economy with no retribution?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19076257 - 11/02/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are exempt from the requirements of Obamacare. They got a waiver. So did over a 1000 other entities. What part of that do you not understand?
The part where you are saying they are exempt from Obamacare. These waivers you speak of aren't blanket exemptions, but for specific requirements in the law, and they aren't meant to be permanent.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/white-house-labor-obamacare-exemption-96793.html
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/10/that-thing-about-unions-being-waived-from-obamacare-another-whopper-lie/
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He isn't using it. What part of that do you not understand? He clearly does not believe in public schooling since he didn't send his own kids there.
You keep using the same argument over and over. It simply isn't true. Just because you send your children to an elite private school doesn't mean you don't support the public school system. There is no logic to support your conclusion. Send your child to an average to above average public school, or an elite private school. If you can afford to do the latter, why wouldn't you?
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Are you lying when you say they are constitutional?
Did I say they were?
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If you are correct you will be even more fucked than both of them. You are going to run out fo other people's money to confiscate and then what will you do? Work?
Taxation isn't confiscation.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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They are exempt from the requirements of Obamacare. They got a waiver. So did over a 1000 other entities. What part of that do you not understand?
The part where you are saying they are exempt from Obamacare. These waivers you speak of aren't blanket exemptions, but for specific requirements in the law, and they aren't meant to be permanent.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/white-house-labor-obamacare-exemption-96793.html
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/10/that-thing-about-unions-being-waived-from-obamacare-another-whopper-lie/
No shit. Either you have to comply with all of the law like I do or you get a fucking exemption. Quote:
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He isn't using it. What part of that do you not understand? He clearly does not believe in public schooling since he didn't send his own kids there.
You keep using the same argument over and over. It simply isn't true. Just because you send your children to an elite private school doesn't mean you don't support the public school system. There is no logic to support your conclusion. Send your child to an average to above average public school, or an elite private school. If you can afford to do the latter, why wouldn't you?
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Are you lying when you say they are constitutional?
Did I say they were?
You said he was lying when he expressed his opinion that they were unconstitutional. Are you lying when you express your opinion that that is a lie?Quote:
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If you are correct you will be even more fucked than both of them. You are going to run out fo other people's money to confiscate and then what will you do? Work?
Taxation isn't confiscation.
It is exactly confiscation.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Please show me that right. Thanks in advance
The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
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Please expplain to me why the government is involved in sanctioning marriage at all?
Tax purposes, death benefits, and the like.
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There is plenty of voter fraud.
Not in-person voter fraud. This is a fact, and I'm not arguing it any more. Last time we got into this I provided plenty of sources attesting to this.
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Companies do not destroy the economy. Governments do.
While I had meant to say "environment," I'll stick by what I said.
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No shit. Either you have to comply with all of the law like I do or you get a fucking exemption.
Apply for your own waiver.
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You said he was lying when he expressed his opinion that they were unconstitutional. Are you lying when you express your opinion that that is a lie?
I said he was lying when he tried to factually state that something was unconstitutional when it had never been tested by the courts. I'm not a judge, I don't choose whether something is constitutional or not.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19076340 - 11/02/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: What small government platform? The small government that wanted to criminalize a woman's constitutional right to abortion? The small government that wants to ban same-sex marriages? The small government that creates new laws to prevent non-existent in-person voter fraud? The small government that allows companies to destroy the economy with no retribution?
I'm all for legal abortion, but roe v wade was wrongly decided and was based on another wrongly decided case. That's not a government size issue.
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It goes against their small government mantra, though, when they introduce record numbers of anti-abortion bills, based on their desire to turn our nation into a Christian theocracy.
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Please show me that right. Thanks in advance
The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
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Please expplain to me why the government is involved in sanctioning marriage at all?
Tax purposes, death benefits, and the like.
That doesn't answer my question. Why should the government be sanctioning marriage for any of those purposes? Why should the government treat married people differently in the tax code? It is unjust. Death benefits? What death benefits? Why is the government doling out death benefits?Quote:
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There is plenty of voter fraud.
Not in-person voter fraud. This is a fact, and I'm not arguing it any more. Last time we got into this I provided plenty of sources attesting to this.
Yeah I know and since I beat your ass in it you have now added the "in person" line. How do you know if there are no ID requirements?Quote:
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While I had meant to say "environment," I'll stick by what I said.
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No shit. Either you have to comply with all of the law like I do or you get a fucking exemption.
Apply for your own waiver.
My insurer dropped my plan but my Republican Party representatives did exactly that about a month ago. They were denied.Quote:
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You said he was lying when he expressed his opinion that they were unconstitutional. Are you lying when you express your opinion that that is a lie?
I said he was lying when he tried to factually state that something was unconstitutional when it had never been tested by the courts. I'm not a judge, I don't choose whether something is constitutional or not.
He expressed what was clearly an opinion. Ones which I mostly do not agree with, by the way.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
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Mush4Brains said: What small government platform? The small government that wanted to criminalize a woman's constitutional right to abortion? The small government that wants to ban same-sex marriages? The small government that creates new laws to prevent non-existent in-person voter fraud? The small government that allows companies to destroy the economy with no retribution?
I'm all for legal abortion, but roe v wade was wrongly decided and was based on another wrongly decided case. That's not a government size issue.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I love your inconsistency, zappa. Earlier you're calling chemerinsky a liar because of an opinion he gave...now you're saying opinions aren't lies.
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Enlil said: I love your inconsistency, zappa. Earlier you're calling chemerinsky a liar because of an opinion he gave...now you're saying opinions aren't lies.
I knew this was going to come back.
I don't have the time to peruse all of the fascist cunt's writings. I just went to wiki. I'm sure there's something. Is that whackjob some kind of hero to you?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah I know and since I beat your ass in it you have now added the "in person" line. How do you know if there are no ID requirements?
You didn't "beat [my] ass" in anything.
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Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine - but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.
Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.
If we took Washington's numbers, that would equal ~1400 fraudulent votes nationwide. Negligible amounts. If you used Ohio's number, that's a whole 60 fraudulent votes.
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He expressed what was clearly an opinion. Ones which I mostly do not agree with, by the way.
Really, calling something unconstitutional on a blog where you're reporting "facts" about Obama's misconduct turns it into an opinion? Even though you represent it as a fact?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
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He's not a hero, but he is the preeminent scholar on the constitution. He's a bit of a left wing nut, but his work as a constitutional scholar is awesome.
Sorta like Chomsky is a brilliant linguist even though his other work is garbage.
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Enlil said: He's not a hero, but he is the preeminent scholar on the constitution. He's a bit of a left wing nut, but his work as a constitutional scholar is awesome.
Sorta like Chomsky is a brilliant linguist even though his other work is garbage.
He may be a prominent scholar but he clearly isn't the preeminent scholar. What kind of constitutional scholar would argue that just because a gang of politicians believes something essential rights can be trampled? Why have a Constitution at all?
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Yeah I know and since I beat your ass in it you have now added the "in person" line. How do you know if there are no ID requirements?
You didn't "beat [my] ass" in anything.
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Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine - but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.
Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.
If we took Washington's numbers, that would equal ~1400 fraudulent votes nationwide. Negligible amounts. If you used Ohio's number, that's a whole 60 fraudulent votes.
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He expressed what was clearly an opinion. Ones which I mostly do not agree with, by the way.
Really, calling something unconstitutional on a blog where you're reporting "facts" about Obama's misconduct turns it into an opinion? Even though you represent it as a fact?
The facts were the behavior. Obama did do those things. The question of Constitutionality is opinion. Which, I repeat, I do not agree with him on for the most part. But I bet you do.
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To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud. More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide. There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country. More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state. True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud. Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths. This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states. California: 49,000 Florida: 30,000 Texas: 28,500 Michigan: 25,000 Illinois: 24,000 12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents. The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents. Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration. The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud. True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved.
How popular is Voter ID?
74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post. 71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fraud-spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html
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Lawyers argue and advocate. You know this. And as I said in the other thread, the government only needs a good faith belief that a compelling interest will be served by the law...they don't have to be correct. If they have such a belief and the law is narrowly tailored to the interest, it's constitutional. Con law 101, dude. Ask your daughter.
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Enlil said: Lawyers argue and advocate. You know this. And as I said in the other thread, the government only needs a good faith belief that a compelling interest will be served by the law...they don't have to be correct. If they have such a belief and the law is narrowly tailored to the interest, it's constitutional. Con law 101, dude. Ask your daughter.
I am going to ask again. If any gang of politician du jour decides they believe something does your right against illegal search and seizure disappear? You're right to publish a newspaper? If that is so then there are no rights. Why bother with the charade?
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All it takes is a compelling state interest and that the law be narrowly tailored to that interest. If politicians can articulate a compelling interest that they have a good faith belief will be served by infringing either of those rights, and the law is narrowly tailored to the interest, it's constitutional.
Tons of laws infringing fourth and first amendment rights are constitutional.
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I believe the statement he made was well short of demanding either "compelling" or "establishing" and cited a simple "belief" on the part of the politicians du jour. Any way the wind blows.
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The compelling interest was obvious...the desire to reduce violent crime. The scotus agreed with him that it was a compelling interest. They found that the law wasn't narrowly tailored.
Anyway, it's time for you to just admit you were full of shit in calling him a liar based on that quote. If you find something better, feel free to reallege his liar status.
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Enlil said: The compelling interest was obvious...the desire to reduce violent crime. The scotus agreed with him that it was a compelling interest. They found that the law wasn't narrowly tailored.
Anyway, it's time for you to just admit you were full of shit in calling him a liar based on that quote. If you find something better, feel free to reallege his liar status.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: B_BOY]
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Bush was worse because of medicare part d. Bush was worse because of an unfunded war that would pay for itself which ended up costing 200,000 lives and $1 trillion dollars. Bush was worse because of his extraordinary rendition program ... drone program... thinking they attacked us on 9/11 because they "hate freedom"... huh? Bush was worse for not renewing Pay As You Go (which his father put in place). Bush was worse because he nominated Harriet Myers for sup court. Bush was worse because he lied to the world about Iraq... and they are lying now about Iran. He was an admittedly stupid man who "thought with his gut". He didn't read. He thought the lesson of vietnam was "if you quit, you lose"... he said that IN vietnam... The lesson of vietnam is to not fight for a country that DOESN'T EXIST... there was no legitimate south vietnam. It was a war against imperialism that we never could have won. Bush was a nightmare... but don't worry, the morons of america will elect someone just as stupid... maybe Sarah Palin. Bush was worse because he SPOKE WITH GOD... literally. He literally believes he spoke with god. Bush is worse because he's a drunk who failed at EVERY SINGLE THING HE EVER TRIED TO DO.... he lost tons of his daddies friend's money... he failed at being president, owning a baseball team, college, the national guard, everything... everything W ever touched turned to tripe. He was a fool on the international stage. On and on... and on and on ... Call out those who support him... shame them INTO the closet. Speak truth to idiocy.
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baldtim said: The lesson of vietnam is to not fight for a country that DOESN'T EXIST... there was no legitimate south vietnam. It was a war against imperialism that we never could have won.
Vietnam was about imperialism but: it was about Harry Truman and the US Congress rejecting Ho Chi Minh's request for building a constitutional republic in 1945 and getting the French out of there. Ho Chi Minh was an ally. The Vietnamese were not communist per se, they were very nationalistic but they turned to communism for money and to gain the means to fight the war.
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baldtim said: He was a fool on the international stage. On and on... and on and on ... Call out those who support him... shame them INTO the closet. Speak truth to idiocy.
Sounds like Obama to me.
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he has did more to hurt marijuana than any other president in history.
You have no idea what you are talking about . I can go to the weed store right now and buy weed in front of cops , choose from like 50 different types of hash , 50 types of bud , all kinds of edibles. They deliver . I can buy it on craigslist . Sell it . Grow it . I got pulled over doing 90 in a 65 with a bag of weed in my passenger seat . Cop said is that weed . I said yup . You got a card ? Yep . Cool here's your 500 dollar ticket se ya enjoy your weed . I didn't even think to hide cause I didnt give a fuck . Thats my reality now . Way better than before when I was growing up. The president who did the most to hurt marijuana was Nixon . He made it a schedule one drug . Once again you have no clue .
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Vietnam was a complicated situation... are you agreeing with Dumbya that the lesson of vietnam is "if you quit, you lose"? Coming from Bush it is even more offensive because he was one of those "senator's sons" who got out of serving in that very war due again to Daddy's help... The MSM didn't call him on that because all they want is access.
Did you see Syria cave to Obama??? Regardless if Putin was involved or not... it was diplomacy that could have avoided 9/11, Afghanistan, and most importantly IRAQ!!! $1 trillion wasted... for nothing. They sent 87 billion in $100 bills to iraq to grease palms and it was lost almost instantly... They redesigned the Iraqi flag -- which flamed the hatred.
Everything the republicans ever do is wrong... they are the party of fiscal insanity... Turn off your dad or whatever AM radio station you listen to and think, read... ask questions of the mouth-breathing hick-rubes that are filling you up with this stuff ... their arguments dissolve in reality.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
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baldtim said: Vietnam was a complicated situation... are you agreeing with Dumbya that the lesson of vietnam is "if you quit, you lose"? Coming from Bush it is even more offensive because he was one of those "senator's sons" who got out of serving in that very war due again to Daddy's help... The MSM didn't call him on that because all they want is access.
Did you see Syria cave to Obama??? Regardless if Putin was involved or not... it was diplomacy that could have avoided 9/11, Afghanistan, and most importantly IRAQ!!! $1 trillion wasted... for nothing. They sent 87 billion in $100 bills to iraq to grease palms and it was lost almost instantly... They redesigned the Iraqi flag -- which flamed the hatred.
Everything the republicans ever do is wrong... they are the party of fiscal insanity... Turn off your dad or whatever AM radio station you listen to and think, read... ask questions of the mouth-breathing hick-rubes that are filling you up with this stuff ... their arguments dissolve in reality.
I protested against the Vietnam war so don't tell me how to think and what I know and don't know about American policy. I explained the historical reason about Vietnam, no we shouldn't have been there. As for the others--Bush had full congressional support for his wars--including democrats. I don't think they were a good idea.
Syria didn't fly for two reasons: 1) The public was totally against it. 2) Putin provided an out for Obama, who cornered himself in a hole. The democrats are just a big a bunch of fuck turds as the republicans are. And speaking of the Vietnam war, who was it that escalated the shit out of it-- Lyndon B. Johnson, progressive, builder of the new society. What a fucking piece of shit all of these politicans are.
US foreign policy has basically been a disaster for the last 40 years.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Putin didn't provide shit.
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mindgnome said: I voted for Obama because I thought he would legalize marijuana haha.
That is probably the ONE positive thing Obama has done. He didn't decide to enforce federal regulations in WA and CO which is setting us up for legalized pot in other states soon. Of course he wants to tax the shit out of marijuana just like he wants to tax everything else absurdly to pay for his awful social programs. Just say Nobama!
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Mush4Brains said: Putin didn't provide shit.
I think you are butthurt because Putin outgamed Obama. He came out the hero, Obama came out looking like a weak, clownish president.
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Mush4Brains said: Putin didn't provide shit.
I think you are butthurt because Putin outgamed Obama. He came out the hero, Obama came out looking like a weak, clownish president.
John Kerry comes into a press conference and is asked a question about disarmament, and he says sure, if Syria agrees to have all their weapons destroyed by such and such a date... and so forth.
Within six hours the Russians were begging for this to be an actual deal, and already had the Syrians on board. Facing a stubborn congress, and a weary public, the deal was struck.
Most likely this has already been worked out at the G20 summit, but that's only my take on the situation.
Maybe you should go live in Russia with the traitor Snowden and you can slob Putin's knob all day, since apparently he is your hero.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Syria is a bad idea because both sides are utter scum
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Uhh. Yeah... my point was that the lesson of vietnam wasn't "it you quit, you lose"... which was dumbya's takeaway from it.
The slack I give LBJ falls on another democrat: JFK... the Kennedy's iced him out of all Vietnam discussions... LBJ was too obsessed with his own agenda to doubt what McNamara and Westmoreland were feeding him... he wanted it to go away... and it exploded
what the fuck? Just Don't Vote Republican or Tea Party. Vote smart. Dumbya == not smart... <insert ANY republican> == NOT SMART. But you seem to want to defend them??? == NOT SMART
You need to stop listening to your dad or whatever AM radio station/fox news you are getting your stupidity from.
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baldtim said: Uhh. Yeah... my point was that the lesson of vietnam wasn't "it you quit, you lose"... which was dumbya's takeaway from it.
The slack I give LBJ falls on another democrat: JFK... the Kennedy's iced him out of all Vietnam discussions... LBJ was too obsessed with his own agenda to doubt what McNamara and Westmoreland were feeding him... he wanted it to go away... and it exploded
what the fuck? Just Don't Vote Republican or Tea Party. Vote smart. Dumbya == not smart... <insert ANY republican> == NOT SMART. But you seem to want to defend them??? == NOT SMART
You need to stop listening to your dad or whatever AM radio station/fox news you are getting your stupidity from.
READ... LEARN...
Well he certainly doesn't need to pay attention to this incoherent nonsense.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Only a republican would think that diplomacy -- which normally DOES involve several leaders -- is a bad idea.
But I would be better off talking to your dad or whatever am radio station/fox news pundit you worship.
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baldtim said: Only a republican would think that diplomacy -- which normally DOES involve several leaders -- is a bad idea.
But I would be better off talking to your dad or whatever am radio station/fox news pundit you worship.
Once again the intellectually bankrupt resort to straw men. What diplomacy are you referring to?
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baldtim said: Only a republican would think that diplomacy -- which normally DOES involve several leaders -- is a bad idea.
But I would be better off talking to your dad or whatever am radio station/fox news pundit you worship.
Once again the intellectually bankrupt resort to straw men. What diplomacy are you referring to?
How do you know you aren't the intellectually bankrupt?
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baldtim said: Only a republican would think that diplomacy -- which normally DOES involve several leaders -- is a bad idea.
But I would be better off talking to your dad or whatever am radio station/fox news pundit you worship.
Once again the intellectually bankrupt resort to straw men. What diplomacy are you referring to?
How do you know you aren't the intellectually bankrupt?
Because I don't make stupid posts like that
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Really, there is no point... I'm wasting your time... part of diplomacy is... <sigh>. I'm Zappa's #1 fan, so I thought ... I thought wrong. Good bye.
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baldtim said: Only a republican would think that diplomacy -- which normally DOES involve several leaders -- is a bad idea.
But I would be better off talking to your dad or whatever am radio station/fox news pundit you worship.
Where did I defend republicans? I cant stand the assholes anymore than the D's. By the way, I'm old enough to be your dad, I PROTESTED AGAINST THE VIETNAM WAR IN 1970.
No one said diplomacy is a bad idea. I said Obama ran his fucking mouth with his 'red line' and Putin had the sense to give him an out, which he did when Kerry offhandedly mentioned the disarmament.
Putin is a Russian. They think like Asians, not Westerners. The Putin offer allowed Obama to save face, prevented a bloody mess, and made Putin look like a big player on the international stage. Obama looked weak and indecisive.
What matters is the perception. My statement suggests what I think is the achilles heel of US Foriegn Policy--US Government Policy seems to assume that everyone in the world thinks the same way we do and wants the same things the People of the US do.
One more thing--john Kerry is a fucking moron. Talk about rich one-percenters...
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Starfire, if you had the same criticisms during the Bush admin (which you didn't), maybe we could take you seriously.
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How would you know? You've only been on this site for two months, and he registered after Obama took office?
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Logical deductions.
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There's nothing logical about your deductions at all. You are blatantly assuming that he didn't have the same criticisms, but you don't know the first fucking thing about what he may or may have not said 5 years ago.
Your "logical deductions" are really just your own black/white tribalism being projected onto him. In your little world, anyone who isn't sucking Obama's dick must obviously be a republican.
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Enlil said: In your little world, anyone who isn't sucking Obama's dick must obviously be a republican.
Enlil, you don't need to drive my ambulance.
Mush, I fucking hate Bush he was a bastard too and I did have criicisms of him. How many times do I have to say that (R's) and (D's) both suck dick.
The only difference between the two Establishment Parties is who they fucking give your money to for their agenda.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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So then why don't you ever post threads about how big of shitheads the Republican House is? Your whole "both parties suck" act doesn't add up when you only knock one party, over and over and over and over.
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over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
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There are plenty of Demtards who perform that particular service
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Mush4Brains said: So then why don't you ever post threads about how big of shitheads the Republican House is? Your whole "both parties suck" act doesn't add up when you only knock one party, over and over and over and over.
Because I consider Obama to be a dangerous enemy of the constitution of the united states and he deserves to be ridiculed and called on his obscene marxist, lying bullshit at every juncture in his term.
He is anti-american and anti-everything that the US stood for, and he is a threat to the future of the united states and my children. He is getting nothing more than what Bush got for 7 of his eight years.
Besides, it's interesting hearing the arguments of those who defend him. As black guys in my hometown used to say in my hometown, 'he got ya goin'' or 'he got into your head' i.e. he got into the psyche of a lot of people with his absurd bullshit.
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Mush4Brains said: So then why don't you ever post threads about how big of shitheads the Republican House is? Your whole "both parties suck" act doesn't add up when you only knock one party, over and over and over and over.
Because I consider Obama to be a dangerous enemy of the constitution of the united states and he deserves to be ridiculed and called on his obscene marxist, lying bullshit at every juncture in his term.
He is anti-american and anti-everything that the US stood for, and he is a threat to the future of the united states and my children. He is getting nothing more than what Bush got for 7 of his eight years.
Besides, it's interesting hearing the arguments of those who defend him. As black guys in my hometown used to say in my hometown, 'he got ya goin'' or 'he got into your head' i.e. he got into the psyche of a lot of people with his absurd bullshit.
If both parties are the same, as you claim, then the Republicans are (which, they literally are) doing the same thing.
I love hearing about these "black guys" in your "hometown." Who gives a fuck what color they are?
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I just use the term because I like it.... 'got ya goin' its a perfect term to describe Obama's effect on certain susceptible people.
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I've never heard the term "go ya goin'"
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you don't read well. But I understand that you can't concentrate because you have some pain in your backside.
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you don't read well. But I understand that you can't concentrate because you have some pain in your backside. 
Or you edited your post because I have your original term copied on my clipboard because I tried to Google the meaning (with your fucked up quotation marks and everything). Seems like a typical move of a GOPer, make a mistake, then lie about it and insult someone who asks you what the fuck you're talking about.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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you don't read well. But I understand that you can't concentrate because you have some pain in your backside. 
Or you edited your post because I have your original term copied on my clipboard because I tried to Google the meaning (with your fucked up quotation marks and everything). Seems like a typical move of a GOPer, make a mistake, then lie about it and insult someone who asks you what the fuck you're talking about.

actually, I edited it right after I posted it before you ever made you comment. But then again, liberals are known to take peoples typos, post them back, and call them stupid if they have no productive conter-point to the argument.
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I can't see your edits before my post goes through, if I'm replying and post and you edit, it won't pop up like a new post.
But now you just look foolish because you claim that it was "before [I ] ever made [my] comment," yet didn't leave your edit time on it to prove it.
There is a difference between a small typo, and something that makes what you write make absolutely no sense. All I said was I had never heard the term, and you tried to make fun of me by saying "you don't read well," when you simply don't type well.
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It is amazing you can write. You are absolutely and 100% wrong. You have no concepts of reality beyond what the MSM and your DAD spoonfed you. Truly sad. You are yet another dinosaur that we have to wait for to DIE for change.
Think for yourself. Study, learn. Become aware. You protested Vietnam which is commendable -- but only to become victim of yet another bullshit lie. The roles have reversed.
I'm ashamed to share liberty with people like you. Move... go somewhere else and plague that country--or cut your wrists and make the WORLD a better place.
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baldtim said: It is amazing you can write. You are absolutely and 100% wrong. You have no concepts of reality beyond what the MSM and your DAD spoonfed you. Truly sad. You are yet another dinosaur that we have to wait for to DIE for change.
Think for yourself. Study, learn. Become aware. You protested Vietnam which is commendable -- but only to become victim of yet another bullshit lie. The roles have reversed.
I'm ashamed to share liberty with people like you. Move... go somewhere else and plague that country--or cut your wrists and make the WORLD a better place.
I don't watch TV. I have studied and learned. Way more than you ever will. I have seen the world from end to end and its a great big shithole. The US is much better.
My dad didn't spoonfeed me shit. I didn't have a dad. I learned by experience and the school of hard knocks. So before you get an inflated ego and think you know what the fuck I'm about you better walk about 40 years in my shoes.
It's Moonbats who believe this lying sleeze ball of a president that we have, and the touchy feely Progressive shit agenda. You people should learn to think for yourselves instead of blindly following some assclown whose only asset is that he speaks well what is scripted to him.
You are the victim of a lie. You are a follower of the elitists, the rich one percenters who run the show. You happily wag your tail and wait for the next bone to be thrown from the table, like a good little puppy dog.
I refuse to be a clown in a studded dog collar blindly following 'the Government.' Fuck them. Since when was the government ever the savior of the people? Get real man.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Oh, you poor thing... you misunderstand AGAIN.
I'm not judging you on anything except the imbecilic things you say. I don't care if you walked 40 years or were born yesterday. In fact, it is much sadder that you weren't born yesterday: you've had your whole fucking life (the shining anyone?) to see the truth -- no not talking about Mitt Romney here -- yet you continue to live your life an embittered man with a paper sack on your head (and probably in your pants).
Get a shovel and help America out or LEAVE! You cowards always hide behind the flag which sickens me because "you people" haven't got a clue what that flag means. You pray (lol) for America to fail just to justify your schoolyard hatred and bigotry.
America is about optimism... even under Dumbya, I hoped he'd succeed at something (ANYTHING!)... but he didn't do anything right. He failed at everything he ever did... and that track record wasn't broken with his presidency. Med part d, the midnight ride of gonzales, torture, rendition, unprovoked wars, trillion in lost treasure, harriet myers as supreme court justice?, his explanation of the lesson of vietnam, not securing Iraq for the fall (WAR IS UNTIDY???), the CPA, the new Iraqi flag, getting rid of pay as you go (his father's achievement), massively expanding government, on and on, debt upon endless debt, wars OFF THE BOOKS!!! obama put them on the books right away which made his admin look fiscally irresponsible, but you have to have that shit ON THE BOOKS to even begin to.. etc. and on and on. And on and on and on.
All I ask is that you don't SHOOT people... okay? Can you do that? Just don't get a gun and start shooting blacks or gays or servicemen, okay? "You people" are a postal lot... I'm picturing you as an older version of the Sandy Hook shooter (oh god, right: google it, jesus, sad). If you are going to shoot anyone, do America a favor and stick that gun in your mouth instead... BOOM.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
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I'm not judging you on anything except the imbecilic things you say. I don't care if you walked 40 years or were born yesterday. In fact, it is much sadder that you weren't born yesterday: you've had your whole fucking life (the shining anyone?) to see the truth -- no not talking about Mitt Romney here -- yet you continue to live your life an embittered man with a paper sack on your head (and probably in your pants).
You shouldn't encourage suicide on the forum. That could get you banned. I don't think Bush was that hot. Obama isn't either. I don't know why you have to bring him up.
But of course, unemployment was lower during his watch, more people had jobs....gasoline was cheaper... But he was an asshat. Too bad he went to war with the approval of the democrats in congress, they signed on to it and they had a chance to speak out against it.
What truth? I don't let asshat progressive moonbats define the truth for me. So you can go ahead and bow to your masters in the government, and wag your tail like a good little puppy dog and not question what the government does or how they act, but I prefer to keep my independence from those assclowns. I just wonder when it was that the Democratic Party--which used to be against big government control and authoritarianism, managed to get perverted into 'progressivism?'
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
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On gas prices:
A sitting POTUS can do very little to decrease gas prices.
On unemployment/more people having job:
GWB didn't inherit an economy in freefall. When on the day you're inaugurated, the country is losing 700k jobs per month, what exactly are you supposed to do, oh enlightened one?
Under GWB the unemployment rate almost doubled.

On Democrats and "progressivism:"
When did the Republican party, who used to be a center-right, moderate party get overrun by the far-right lunatics who are hell bent on destroying a 237 year old country from the inside out?
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GWB didn't inherit an economy in freefall. When on the day you're inaugurated, the country is losing 700k jobs per month, what exactly are you supposed to do, oh enlightened one?
at what point is a current president supposed to accept any responsibility for what happens under his presidency?
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psyconaught said: at what point is a current president supposed to accept any responsibility for what happens under his presidency?
I'm not sure what you mean, unemployment rate has been steadily decreasing since late 2009.
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Obama supporters continually blame current problems in the administration on inheritance problems. But when do the issues become Obamas fault and not Bushs'?
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I, once again, am not quite sure what you're trying to get at here.
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I'm not sure what you mean, unemployment rate has been steadily decreasing since late 2009.
 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613144/issa-demands-answers-after-report-of-fudged-unemployment-data/
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I'm not sure what you mean, unemployment rate has been steadily decreasing since late 2009.
"Under Obama more people are having jobs?"
What are you smoking Mush? here is a juicy little tidbit for you; From the Beureau of labor Statistics, the OFFICIAL labor participation rate:

OH FUCKING SHIT! There are now 3 million less people working than when Obama took office. How about them apples??? 
There is the link if you don't believe it is from the US Government:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
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here is the table data:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual 2003 66.4 66.4 66.3 66.4 66.4 66.5 66.2 66.1 66.1 66.1 66.1 65.9 2004 66.1 66.0 66.0 65.9 66.0 66.1 66.1 66.0 65.8 65.9 66.0 65.9 2005 65.8 65.9 65.9 66.1 66.1 66.1 66.1 66.2 66.1 66.1 66.0 66.0 2006 66.0 66.1 66.2 66.1 66.1 66.2 66.1 66.2 66.1 66.2 66.3 66.4 2007 66.4 66.3 66.2 65.9 66.0 66.0 66.0 65.8 66.0 65.8 66.0 66.0 2008 66.2 66.0 66.1 65.9 66.1 66.1 66.1 66.1 66.0 66.0 65.9 65.8 2009 65.7 65.8 65.6 65.7 65.7 65.7 65.5 65.4 65.1 65.0 65.0 64.6 2010 64.8 64.9 64.9 65.1 64.9 64.6 64.6 64.7 64.6 64.4 64.6 64.3 2011 64.2 64.2 64.2 64.2 64.2 64.0 64.0 64.1 64.2 64.1 64.1 64.0 2012 63.7 63.9 63.8 63.6 63.8 63.8 63.7 63.5 63.6 63.8 63.6 63.6 2013 63.6 63.5 63.3 63.3 63.4 63.5 63.4 63.2 63.2 62.8
The employment situation seems to be sucking raw assholes under Obama.
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Darrell "Selective Leaker" Issa is a gun toting, car stealing, con man who runs a kangaroo court. He is now going off of a Fox News report using an anonymous source to claim something so abhorrently ridiculous, that anybody who thinks what he says hold a drop of water might need to get their head out of their gaping asshole.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613144/issa-demands-answers-after-report-of-fudged-unemployment-data/
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Although Census had reported the falsification to the Inspector General's office, it did not publicly disclose the problem, nor did it inform the Labor Department privately - an oversight criticized by Labor.
"Yes, absolutely they should have told us," a Labor spokesman told the Post. "It would be normal procedure to notify us if there is a problem with data collection."
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OH FUCKING SHIT! There are now 3 million less people working than when Obama took office. How about them apples???
What's your point? Unemployed veterans coming back from war, boomers retiring, and the economy causing more people who were working different jobs to take the jobs 16-20 year olds used to work... Do you have a point to make or are you going to just post a meaningless chart ignoring all the outside factors that created the statistics you post?
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OH FUCKING SHIT! There are now 3 million less people working than when Obama took office. How about them apples???
What's your point? Unemployed veterans coming back from war, boomers retiring, and the economy causing more people who were working different jobs to take the jobs 16-20 year olds used to work... Do you have a point to make or are you going to just post a meaningless chart ignoring all the outside factors that created the statistics you post?

You're tripping balls aren't you? Retired boomers and 16-20 year olds aren't generally considered in the work force. How's your job going?
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LOL. 3 million less people working. But I guess we can't blame Obama. Nothing is his fault. he either inherited it, it is beyond his control, or he hasn't heard about the problem.
MAYBE HIS SHITASS POLICIES AREN'T WORKING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING CLUELESS ABOUT ECONOMICS?????
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starfire_xes said: LOL. 3 million less people working. But I guess we can't blame Obama. Nothing is his fault. he either inherited it, it is beyond his control, or he hasn't heard about the problem.
MAYBE HIS SHITASS POLICIES AREN'T WORKING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING CLUELESS ABOUT ECONOMICS?????

Okay, bud. When people expect the participation rate to be lower in 2020 than it is today, are you going to blame it on Obama?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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I'll blame whoever is in office, and whoever is in both the Senate and Congress. Unlike you, I don't blame a guy gone 5 years for what the current president is doing.
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Ignore reason, statistics are king.
Come on man, I would like to believe you're smarter than just reading a number and basing your entire argument based on that.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/06/the-incredible-shrinking-labor-force-again/
You do realize that that article says you are full of shit, right? Number two reason is that kids are staying home with mommy because they can't find a job and number 3 is that there is an increase in disability fraud
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Dude, get a shovel and help out or stick that shotgun in your mouth. Obama is one of the best republican presidents we've had. What we need is a true liberal in there... Obama is about as liberal as Reagan... about as liberal -- but given the choice between McCain and Willard Romney -- Obama is JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
You sound like you just hate America. We need Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders as president. True liberals. And we need to lynch John "I don't know what the word compromise means" Boehner...
With this, you are ignored...
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19167010 - 11/20/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: That would be none of your fucking business.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/06/the-incredible-shrinking-labor-force-again/
You do realize that that article says you are full of shit, right? Number two reason is that kids are staying home with mommy because they can't find a job and number 3 is that there is an increase in disability fraud
So one reason, that boomers are retiring, is true.
Second reason, that young kids who used to be taking low paying jobs cannot find work, is true.
My last reason is entirely plausible, so nothing you just posted is even remotely close to the truth.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19167028 - 11/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: That would be none of your fucking business.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/06/the-incredible-shrinking-labor-force-again/
Why are you defending the current economic situation? Try being intellectually honest for a moment, call it for what it is, a deep recession/depression.
I don't blame Obama for this economy, it goes beyond any Presidential powers, why defend a pile of shit? To say it's better than if a R was in office?
The 3 reasons in your link are total bullshit, it's disgraceful to even post it.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
#19167045 - 11/20/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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baldtim said: Dude, get a shovel and help out or stick that shotgun in your mouth. Obama is one of the best republican presidents we've had. What we need is a true liberal in there... Obama is about as liberal as Reagan... about as liberal -- but given the choice between McCain and Willard Romney -- Obama is JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
You sound like you just hate America. We need Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders as president. True liberals. And we need to lynch John "I don't know what the word compromise means" Boehner...
With this, you are ignored...
Elizabeth Warren is a bought and paid for whore, who do you think lets her criticize the bankers? Take a wild guess.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
#19167054 - 11/20/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are you defending the current economic situation? Try being intellectually honest for a moment, call it for what it is, a deep recession/depression.
I'm not defending the current economic situation. Just posting some cold, hard, facts to show that this administration has done a pretty decent job at stemming the bleeding that the previous administration left on their doorstep.
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I don't blame Obama for this economy, it goes beyond any Presidential powers, why defend a pile of shit? To say it's better than if a R was in office?
McCain/Palin would have led us into more wars, and fucked shit up even more. R Money was a fucking fraud.
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The 3 reasons in your link are total bullshit, it's disgraceful to even post it.
I'm sorry, I believe something printed in a major newspaper over your uneducated opinion.
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Elizabeth Warren is a bought and paid for whore, who do you think lets her criticize the bankers? Take a wild guess.
Well, calling her a whore makes your point much more valid.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19167081 - 11/20/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are you defending the current economic situation? Try being intellectually honest for a moment, call it for what it is, a deep recession/depression.
I'm not defending the current economic situation. Just posting some cold, hard, facts to show that this administration has done a pretty decent job at stemming the bleeding that the previous administration left on their doorstep.
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I don't blame Obama for this economy, it goes beyond any Presidential powers, why defend a pile of shit? To say it's better than if a R was in office?
McCain/Palin would have led us into more wars, and fucked shit up even more. R Money was a fucking fraud.
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The 3 reasons in your link are total bullshit, it's disgraceful to even post it.
I'm sorry, I believe something printed in a major newspaper over your uneducated opinion.
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Elizabeth Warren is a bought and paid for whore, who do you think lets her criticize the bankers? Take a wild guess.
Well, calling her a whore makes your point much more valid.
"I believe something printed in a major newspaper"
I bet you do, Brad Plumer offered his opinion, so it must be true.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
#19167087 - 11/20/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once again, you haven't given me any reason to believe your take on the situation over somebody printed in the Washington POst.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
#19167182 - 11/20/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm... a politician doing her job... hmm, the devil? Is the devil letting her do it? Maybe the devil is letting her criticize the bankers because the devil knows that by allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers ... well, then a rainbow will happen that kills the gays and blacks?
Honestly... I have no idea... who is allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers... ZOG? Do and Ti? The Greys? Maitreya? Bohemian Grove? Bigfoot? Alex Jones!!!!
Don't you see how unbelievably stupid you are? How outlandishly ridiculously peripheral you are to society? Help America. Don't tear her down.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
#19167227 - 11/20/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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baldtim said: Hmm... a politician doing her job... hmm, the devil? Is the devil letting her do it? Maybe the devil is letting her criticize the bankers because the devil knows that by allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers ... well, then a rainbow will happen that kills the gays and blacks?
Honestly... I have no idea... who is allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers... ZOG? Do and Ti? The Greys? Maitreya? Bohemian Grove? Bigfoot? Alex Jones!!!!
Don't you see how unbelievably stupid you are? How outlandishly ridiculously peripheral you are to society? Help America. Don't tear her down.
were you dropped on your head as a child?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: psyconaught]
#19167253 - 11/20/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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baldtim said: Hmm... a politician doing her job... hmm, the devil? Is the devil letting her do it? Maybe the devil is letting her criticize the bankers because the devil knows that by allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers ... well, then a rainbow will happen that kills the gays and blacks?
Honestly... I have no idea... who is allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers... ZOG? Do and Ti? The Greys? Maitreya? Bohemian Grove? Bigfoot? Alex Jones!!!!
Don't you see how unbelievably stupid you are? How outlandishly ridiculously peripheral you are to society? Help America. Don't tear her down.
were you dropped on your head as a child?
Were you declared mentally deficient as a child?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
#19167270 - 11/20/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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baldtim said: Hmm... a politician doing her job... hmm, the devil? Is the devil letting her do it? Maybe the devil is letting her criticize the bankers because the devil knows that by allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers ... well, then a rainbow will happen that kills the gays and blacks?
Honestly... I have no idea... who is allowing her to criticize those angelic bankers... ZOG? Do and Ti? The Greys? Maitreya? Bohemian Grove? Bigfoot? Alex Jones!!!!
Don't you see how unbelievably stupid you are? How outlandishly ridiculously peripheral you are to society? Help America. Don't tear her down.
"Don't you see how unbelievable stupid you are?"
That's a flame buddy, we have rules around here, and you just broke it, nice knowing you. 
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19167286 - 11/20/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He was simply asking a question.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19167302 - 11/20/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: He was simply asking a question.
Just like you did in the previous post, so you both think you found a loophole in the forum rules, insult and flame other posters in the form of a question, I don't think so.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
#19167321 - 11/20/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains, psyconaught and baldtim have all received bans. They'll be back in a few days.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: qman]
#19167495 - 11/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a flame buddy, we have rules around here, and you just broke it, nice knowing you.
Let's hide behind the "RULES" when you don't have a point to make.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: sweeper54]
#19167689 - 11/20/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a flame buddy, we have rules around here, and you just broke it, nice knowing you.
Let's hide behind the "RULES" when you don't have a point to make.
no he flamed. He was making a point, not hiding behind anything.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: psyconaught]
#19167886 - 11/20/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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AH! The small minded abound,ON BOTH SIDES,HAAA!!! unkle fuckers
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Phred]
#19168097 - 11/20/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred said: Mush4Brains, psyconaught and baldtim have all received bans. They'll be back in a few days.
Phred

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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19168098 - 11/20/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But then again why do people have to call each other stupid and tell them to go shoot themselves and stuff when they don't agree with them?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19168115 - 11/20/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred said: Mush4Brains, psyconaught and baldtim have all received bans. They'll be back in a few days.
Phred

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i'm still around apparently
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: psyconaught]
#19168170 - 11/21/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea, i noticed none of you got banned. Just a warning?
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19168178 - 11/21/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Yea, i noticed none of you got banned. Just a warning?
apparently. I never got a message about it or anything either.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: psyconaught]
#19169962 - 11/21/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dunno why the first attempt didn't work. Hopefully this one will.
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19170363 - 11/21/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: But then again why do people have to call each other stupid and tell them to go shoot themselves and stuff when they don't agree with them? 
Yes indeed. Why bother calling the poster stupid when you can call the post stupid?
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