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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075456 - 11/02/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"Did he or did he not do it," or "is it true or not" is not the question.  I was told that these would be 400+ examples of "lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc."  That simply isn't what this list is.  It's a big old list of stuff that some dude on the internet doesn't like about the Obama administration. 

You claim "I might remind you that for the first two years of his Presidency he had a completelly compliant Congress and he made no effor to close Gitmo"

Obviously, you didn't read the Politifact article.  I would call signing an executive order to close Gitmo, some sort of effort.  To call the congress "completely compliant" ignores that the "War on Terror" has bipartisan support.

"So bad shit is OK because somebody else did it?"

Explain how this is "bad."  Who better to send abroad to first world allied countries and be the mouthpiece for your administration than people who cared enough about getting you elected?


Blatant lies:

Calling KBR Halliburton
Union waivers
Support for public education
Calling things unconstitutional that have never been put through the courts.




He has given unions waivers
He doesn't send his kids to public school and anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something.  That is how they get to the courts.  And then you ask this screamingly stupid question:

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Explain how this is "bad."  Who better to send abroad to first world allied countries and be the mouthpiece for your administration than people who cared enough about getting you elected?





They do not represent the Obama administration.  They represent America.  Cult of personality.

Basically all you have is that KBR is separated from Halliburton now?


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19075463 - 11/02/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

By the way, this is the actual post made in the blog article

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In May 2010, it was reported that the Obama administration had selected KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011, just hours after the Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of using kickbacks to get foreign contracts.




I don't see any mendacity there.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19075629 - 11/02/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Except for the fact that claims it was Halliburton in the header.

I should have said "exemption" instead of waiver.  "To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014."

"He doesn't send his kids to public school"

That says nothing about support or lack of support to public education.  Unless you can prove this statement, it is lie to say that is his position. 

"anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something"

While this is true, stating something as a fact when it so obviously isn't is a lie.

"They do not represent the Obama administration.  They represent America."

At the behest of who?  The administration.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075706 - 11/02/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Except for the fact that claims it was Halliburton in the header.




Except for the fact that it is 100% clarified in the body.
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I should have said "exemption" instead of waiver.  "To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014."




So?  I didn't get that waiver.  My health insurance is gone come the new year.  Gone.
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"He doesn't send his kids to public school"




You vote with your feet.  He didn't send his kids to public school in Chicago either
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That says nothing about support or lack of support to public education.  Unless you can prove this statement, it is lie to say that is his position.




He doesn't send his kids there.  Didn't even before he was President.
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"anybody can have an opinion about the constitutionality of something"

While this is true, stating something as a fact when it so obviously isn't is a lie.




Well then you shouldn't have said it was.
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"They do not represent the Obama administration.  They represent America."

At the behest of who?  The administration.




The administration operates at the behest of the American People.  You have it completely backwards


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: baldtim]
    #19075740 - 11/02/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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baldtim said:
If McCain had won, there would be no tea party.  It is an astro turf organization invented by the Koch's and Glen Beck.




parrot the pelosi much?




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What we need is for the tea partiers and republicans to die off ... they are, just one funeral at a time.  Then we need a real progressive party to represent the Smart People. 






lol... here's you an interesting read. it shows who the more educated folks
are... a little hint, it's not the progressives that mimic their political
heros

http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/10/15/some-data-on-education-religiosity-ideology-and-science-comp.html

here's an example of the smart you worship



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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19075772 - 11/02/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So?  I didn't get that waiver.  My health insurance is gone come the new year.  Gone.




That sucks for you.  The blog claims unions are exempt. They aren't.  Lie.

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You vote with your feet.  He didn't send his kids to public school in Chicago either




Sending his children to private school has no bearing on his support or lack of support of the public education system.  Unless you can specifically find me something that shows that Obama is trying to destroy or damage the public education system, this is another lie.

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Well then you shouldn't have said it was.




It's a lie to call something a fact when you know it isn't. 

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The administration operates at the behest of the American People.  You have it completely backwards




No they don't.  You can't demand the Executive Branch to do something you want.  They simply represent the American public.  We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country.  We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do. 

You're very good at turning discussions into exactly what you want them to be, to make yourself look good.  This is why every thread Political Discussion ends up winding back down to you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "na na na na."

The Tea Party is fucked, and so is the GOP.  I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075825 - 11/02/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress.  Congress is accountable to the people.  I don't see why that's hard for you to understand?


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19075837 - 11/02/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country.  We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.



Another lefty who believes that every four years the American people elect a king. That's not how it works.

And yes, the American people (through their elected representatives, members of Congress) do in fact tell the president what to do. The Executive Branch does not decide what the law of the land will be, Congress does that.

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I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.



Of course you will. You're a lefty. Lefties don't want people to be free, they want people to do what they tell them to do.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
    #19075839 - 11/02/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
The President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress.  Congress is accountable to the people.  I don't see why that's hard for you to understand?




Are you talking to me?  I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people.  That would be zappa.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Phred]
    #19075842 - 11/02/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Phred said:
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Mush4Brains said:
We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country.  We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.



Another lefty who believes that every four years the American people elect a king. That's not how it works.

And yes, the American people (through their elected representatives, members of Congress) do in fact tell the president what to do. The Executive Branch does not decide what the law of the land will be, Congress does that.

Quote:

I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.



Of course you will. You're a lefty. Lefties don't want people to be free, they want people to do what they tell them to do.


Phred




It's so great to have unbiased moderation here.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075866 - 11/02/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you talking to me?  I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people.  That would be zappa.



Yes...I'm talking to you.  The administration acts at the behest of the people by executing laws written by a congress that is accountable to the people.  What part of that is hard for you to understand?


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
    #19075888 - 11/02/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Quote:

Mush4Brains said:

Are you talking to me?  I'm not the one who said that the administration acts at the behest of the American people.  That would be zappa.



Yes...I'm talking to you.  The administration acts at the behest of the people by executing laws written by a congress that is accountable to the people.  What part of that is hard for you to understand?




So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy :shrug:.  The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress).  This is what zappa and I were talking about.  I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.

Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public.  To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075922 - 11/02/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's so great to have unbiased moderation here.



Yes, The Shroomery is pretty fortunate in that regard. People here don't get banned for what they believe, but for how they behave. You wouldn't believe how rare a thing that is in political discussion boards.



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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19075987 - 11/02/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy :shrug:.  The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress).  This is what zappa and I were talking about.  I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.

Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public.  To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.



Ambassador appointments must go through the Senate. 

Everything the President does must consider input from the public.  If a President does something that is universally hated, he won't be President for long.  The next President will also be on notice about that particular issue.

You seem to not understand the way our system works.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
    #19076043 - 11/02/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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Mush4Brains said:
So we go from talking about foreign Ambassadors, to domestic policy :shrug:.  The president picks his staff, including Ambassadors, with little to absolutely no imput from the public (including through congress).  This is what zappa and I were talking about.  I don't quite know where you're getting off asking me "what part of that is hard for me to understand" when I understand it perfectly well.

Besides that, there is plenty of executive power that has no input from the public.  To say "the President only has the power to execute the laws passed by Congress" isn't even true.



Ambassador appointments must go through the Senate. 

Everything the President does must consider input from the public.  If a President does something that is universally hated, he won't be President for long.  The next President will also be on notice about that particular issue.

You seem to not understand the way our system works.




Only a president who wants to be re-elected needs to worry about public input, as long as they stay within their constitutionally afforded powers.  Yes, the Senate must confirm them, but it is very rare that a selection isn't confirmed, which makes my statement "little to absolutely no input" acceptable, in my view.  How often do you think senators get people contacting them about Ambassador confirmation?


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19076080 - 11/02/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Probably pretty rarely...mostly because the public doesn't give a shit.  When they give a shit, they make it known...or they piss and moan on an internet forum.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Enlil]
    #19076107 - 11/02/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So do you have anything to add about how much the Tea Party sucks, or are you only here to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19076123 - 11/02/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The tea party is meh.  They never really had a consistent platform.  I dug their stance on small government, but they never really came to any consensus about where the line should be drawn.

I prefer libertarians to tea partiers any day.


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Re: Big Money is done with the Tea Party. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19076148 - 11/02/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So?  I didn't get that waiver.  My health insurance is gone come the new year.  Gone.




That sucks for you.  The blog claims unions are exempt. They aren't.  Lie.




They are exempt from the requirements of Obamacare.  They got a waiver.  So did over a 1000 other entities.  What part of that do you not understand?
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You vote with your feet.  He didn't send his kids to public school in Chicago either




Sending his children to private school has no bearing on his support or lack of support of the public education system.  Unless you can specifically find me something that shows that Obama is trying to destroy or damage the public education system, this is another lie.




He isn't using it.  What part of that do you not understand?  He clearly does not believe in public schooling since he didn't send his own kids there. 
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Quote:

Well then you shouldn't have said it was.




It's a lie to call something a fact when you know it isn't.




Are you lying when you say they are constitutional?
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The administration operates at the behest of the American People.  You have it completely backwards




No they don't.  You can't demand the Executive Branch to do something you want.  They simply represent the American public.  We get one choice every four years on who we want to run our country.  We cannot fire the President, we cannot command him what to do.




Which is utterly irrelevant as to who is the master and who is the servant.
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You're very good at turning discussions into exactly what you want them to be, to make yourself look good.  This is why every thread Political Discussion ends up winding back down to you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "na na na na."




Hardly
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The Tea Party is fucked, and so is the GOP.  I for one, will enjoy watching the modern "conservative" movement go down in flames.




If you are correct you will be even more fucked than both of them.  You are going to run out fo other people's money to confiscate and then what will you do?  Work?:lolsy:


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