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Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)?
#19065220 - 10/31/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello Shroomery Growers! I'm trying to decide why my oysters are so small and why some seem to be suffering from too much CO2.
I have used the search and I've seen RR say that it has to do with temperature for fruit size and FAE for baseball bat shaped mushrooms.
I'm working with sporeworks pheonix oyster strain, fruiting chamber stays around 65 and humidity stays around 80 most of the time. I'm using a PVC tent I made with slits all through it. Today I cut a few slits much bigger and put a fan on, rotating left to right to promote more FAE. I'm hoping that won't dry things out.(The fan is on the other side of the room)
Compared to my last grow these seem to be just as small, even though it's on a much bigger log. I didn't weigh out the amount of dry straw, which I will do next time, so I can't really say how much BE I'll get out of this batch.
As for the baseball bat it only seems to be affecting some clusters, mostly the ones on the top. Confused by this.
Just from looking at my fruits does anyone have any ideas about somethings I can do to increase the fruit size, and maybe yield? Also why I'm getting baseball bats on some but not on others? Some of the stems are fairly fat.
I will mention that they haven't fully matured yet but from the looks of these I don't expect them to get much bigger.
Also, has anyone used Aloha cultures after using sporeworks and can tell me if I can get much better yield and fruit size with those cultures?
Thanks for all of your input in advance!
Here is the tent.

Here are my weak little fruits
Edited by kushrooms (10/31/13 06:55 PM)
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19066834 - 10/31/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dont strip the bag off, just poke holes with a broadhead or cut X's
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: drake89]
#19066871 - 10/31/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: dont strip the bag off, just poke holes with a broadhead or cut X's
Thanks for the tip, you think this will increase the fruit size? I noticed that there were mushrooms growing inbetween the bag and the plastic. I had read on here from some experienced growers that some strains like to grow wherever they want while others will grow right out the holes.
I'm going to make the next log as tight as possible. Should I just not worry about the mushrooms that are too far away from the holes to get out?
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: drake89]
#19066880 - 10/31/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: dont strip the bag off, just poke holes with a broadhead or cut X's
KILLER PIC on your website! I love it those Oysters are huge!
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19066940 - 10/31/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said:
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drake89 said: dont strip the bag off, just poke holes with a broadhead or cut X's
Thanks for the tip, you think this will increase the fruit size? I noticed that there were mushrooms growing inbetween the bag and the plastic. I had read on here from some experienced growers that some strains like to grow wherever they want while others will grow right out the holes.
I'm going to make the next log as tight as possible. Should I just not worry about the mushrooms that are too far away from the holes to get out?
Yeah what he said, it will increase the fruit size because not so many pins will form and you'll get fewer, bigger fruits. If you keep the bag tight to substrate like you said, and cut some x's, there won't BE any pins far away from the holes, it will only pin and grow right out of the holes.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Forrester]
#19066981 - 10/31/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: dont strip the bag off, just poke holes with a broadhead or cut X's
Thanks for the tip, you think this will increase the fruit size? I noticed that there were mushrooms growing inbetween the bag and the plastic. I had read on here from some experienced growers that some strains like to grow wherever they want while others will grow right out the holes.
I'm going to make the next log as tight as possible. Should I just not worry about the mushrooms that are too far away from the holes to get out?
Yeah what he said, it will increase the fruit size because not so many pins will form and you'll get fewer, bigger fruits. If you keep the bag tight to substrate like you said, and cut some x's, there won't BE any pins far away from the holes, it will only pin and grow right out of the holes. 
Thanks Forester! I was planning on experimenting to know for sure but it's always good to hear from someone who's been there and save me the effort Can't wait for the next logs, I want to see some monsters
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19067019 - 10/31/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said: Thanks Forester! I was planning on experimenting to know for sure but it's always good to hear from someone who's been there and save me the effort Can't wait for the next logs, I want to see some monsters
Right on, good luck! Just think of it like this: every substrate has X amount of energy. Distributed over many fruits, they will be much smaller than distributed over just a few fruits. Focus that energy on fewer fruits and they will grow much larger. I've had 5 gallon buckets of oysters grow just 3 or 4 mushrooms on a second flush but they were giant, like 8-9" across.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Forrester]
#19067036 - 10/31/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said: Thanks Forester! I was planning on experimenting to know for sure but it's always good to hear from someone who's been there and save me the effort Can't wait for the next logs, I want to see some monsters
Right on, good luck! Just think of it like this: every substrate has X amount of energy. Distributed over many fruits, they will be much smaller than distributed over just a few fruits. Focus that energy on fewer fruits and they will grow much larger. I've had 5 gallon buckets of oysters grow just 3 or 4 mushrooms on a second flush but they were giant, like 8-9" across.
Thanks bro, that makes sense about focusing the energy out of the holes! Great looking oysters in your gallery btw I hope I can get some monsters like that on my next grow.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19067056 - 10/31/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can for sure, looks like you've done pretty well already!
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Forrester]
#19067116 - 10/31/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks I'll be sure to post pics when it's done.
BTW just read your write up on the double extraction method, brilliant. I can't wait to try it with Lion's Mane, do you have a favorite mushroom to extract? Sorry to go off topic but I've been looking around for something like that and your article was it.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19067257 - 11/01/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said: Thanks I'll be sure to post pics when it's done.
BTW just read your write up on the double extraction method, brilliant. I can't wait to try it with Lion's Mane, do you have a favorite mushroom to extract? Sorry to go off topic but I've been looking around for something like that and your article was it.
Awesome man always glad when anyone can use it!
Favorite? Reishi and chaga, I think they're my top two all around favorites I'd recommend to everyone. But I use it for turkey tails, artist's conk, red-belted polypore, birch polypore, lion's mane, and anything else I can find or grow! Pretty soon I'll be doing mycelium extractions for some harder to fruit species like Cordyceps and Maitake, so I'll be sure and add a how-to on those as it's a little different. (although Versicolor's already done one that's quite helpful.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Forrester]
#19067567 - 11/01/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kushrooms said: Thanks I'll be sure to post pics when it's done.
BTW just read your write up on the double extraction method, brilliant. I can't wait to try it with Lion's Mane, do you have a favorite mushroom to extract? Sorry to go off topic but I've been looking around for something like that and your article was it.
Awesome man always glad when anyone can use it!
Favorite? Reishi and chaga, I think they're my top two all around favorites I'd recommend to everyone. But I use it for turkey tails, artist's conk, red-belted polypore, birch polypore, lion's mane, and anything else I can find or grow! Pretty soon I'll be doing mycelium extractions for some harder to fruit species like Cordyceps and Maitake, so I'll be sure and add a how-to on those as it's a little different. (although Versicolor's already done one that's quite helpful.
Sweet many thanks, shroomery never lets me down!
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19067642 - 11/01/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Insufficient light.
Also, many if not most oyster strains don't fruit well from cutting an X shaped hole into the plastic. The idea is that air exchange only occurs at the holes, therefore that's where it pins. In reality, most oyster strains will pin wherever they please, and that's usually under the plastic if you don't strip it off. Test the procedure on one or two logs of each strain before doing it on all of them. RR
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19067665 - 11/01/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Insufficient light.
Also, many if not most oyster strains don't fruit well from cutting an X shaped hole into the plastic. The idea is that air exchange only occurs at the holes, therefore that's where it pins. In reality, most oyster strains will pin wherever they please, and that's usually under the plastic if you don't strip it off. Test the procedure on one or two logs of each strain before doing it on all of them. RR
Thanks RR, I had read your post about them pinning in between the plastic so that's why I had uncovered the log. I will definitley see if I can get it to work on the next couple logs.
For a strain that doesn't grow out of the holes are there any other tricks I can do to get biger fruits? Besides more light?
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19072750 - 11/01/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Also, many if not most oyster strains don't fruit well from cutting an X shaped hole into the plastic. The idea is that air exchange only occurs at the holes, therefore that's where it pins. In reality, most oyster strains will pin wherever they please, and that's usually under the plastic if you don't strip it off. Test the procedure on one or two logs of each strain before doing it on all of them. RR
Man, I guess I haven't played with enough strains and just gotten lucky so far! Good to know
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Forrester]
#19072796 - 11/01/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I make my straw logs I pack them nice and tight with holes punched for GE. When you see pins, let it go, they'll punch through the plastic just fine. I also find they make nice tight clusters that way.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: Fungicide]
#19074027 - 11/02/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have played with quite a few oyster strains and the only time they pin under the bag is if there is insufficient moisture in the air, or you waited to long to put them into the FC(sawdust blocks only). When I grew on straw I actually waited to put them into the FC until they pinned in the INC room; which only has %50-60 RH. Best of luck.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19074688 - 11/02/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like the size of those. If I had a choice I would buy those over larger mushrooms in the store. Extra day or two of shelf life and more palatable stems.
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: lipa]
#19075198 - 11/02/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all your replies everyone!! It's great to hear from different folks experience, it helps a ton.
Last night I spawned the new log, I packed it REALLY tight. The dimensions are about the same but this one is much denser and heavier than the last and I have 15 X's all round the bag, I'll be sure to post pics once it fruits! In about 2 weeks
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Re: Why are these oysters so small (or are they the right size for indoor)? [Re: kushrooms]
#19075384 - 11/02/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've had small fruits due to stripping the plastic, but the reason they are leggy like that is either FAE or low light. That won't change if you take the plastic off.
Most strains I've used will fruit in the holes, many will fruit in the holes and also fruit in other areas of the bag. If I see fruiting away from the holes I will carefully slice a bit of plastic away to let it grow out, and it will recover nicely, you just have to keep an eye on your bags. Taking the plastic off isn't a good idea imo, unless you can babysit it, you run the risk of the log getting too dry, or alternatively getting soaked.
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