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InvisiblePenelope_Tree
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Belief in Pure Evil
    #19063097 - 10/31/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From a Scientific American article on the subject today:

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According to this research, one of the central features of BPE is evil’s perceived immutability. Evil people are born evil – they cannot change. Two judgments follow from this perspective: 1) evil people cannot be rehabilitated, and 2) the eradication of evil requires only the eradication of all the evil people.





Do you believe in pure evil?


What about these sentiments?:
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BPE [Belief in Pure Evil] predicts such effects as: harsher punishments for crimes (e.g. murder, assault, theft), stronger reported support for the death penalty, and decreased support for criminal rehabilitation. Follow-up studies corroborate these findings, showing that BPE also predicts the degree to which participants perceive the world to be dangerous and vile, the perceived need for preemptive military aggression to solve conflicts, and reported support for torture.





Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063211 - 10/31/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've spent a decent amount of time pondering the word because it occurs to me that in absence of religion people's emotional states can be just as strong. IOW it's too elementary to say 'evil doesn't exist' but it's a loaded word so I prefer malevolence.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Rahz]
    #19063281 - 10/31/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063644 - 10/31/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.





They all fit the cycle of nature? :ohyou:


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InvisibleRaven Gnosis
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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063715 - 10/31/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think of it as a belief I hold, yet, I believe there have been times in my life where I have been in its presence.

Sometimes I wonder if I catch glimpses of it in myself. When I see it, it feels like a layer has been peeled back for a moment and I see its path, overwhelming ominous, eternal ruin.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063744 - 10/31/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Penelope_Tree said:
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liquidlounge said:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.





They all fit the cycle of nature? :ohyou:



Which one does not, and why?


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InvisibleRaven Gnosis
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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063777 - 10/31/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Last time I checked, within known nature, we are the only thing that has moral sense.
Most of nature and the nature of things are terrifying impersonal and brutal. For it/them, morals do not exist, we seem to be the necessary instrument to measure such things, which are undoubtedly transient and ambiguous in their nature.

EG- Murder is terrible and socially frowned upon and punishable, but its quite alright to shoot and bomb these other humans over here, because you see, we have alienated them from ourselves through abstract.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063808 - 10/31/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Penelope_Tree said:
From a Scientific American article on the subject today:

Quote:

According to this research, one of the central features of BPE is evil’s perceived immutability. Evil people are born evil – they cannot change. Two judgments follow from this perspective: 1) evil people cannot be rehabilitated, and 2) the eradication of evil requires only the eradication of all the evil people.





Do you believe in pure evil?


What about these sentiments?:
Quote:

BPE [Belief in Pure Evil] predicts such effects as: harsher punishments for crimes (e.g. murder, assault, theft), stronger reported support for the death penalty, and decreased support for criminal rehabilitation. Follow-up studies corroborate these findings, showing that BPE also predicts the degree to which participants perceive the world to be dangerous and vile, the perceived need for preemptive military aggression to solve conflicts, and reported support for torture.





Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Invisibleliquidlounge

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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #19063859 - 10/31/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Raven Gnosis said:
Last time I checked, within known nature, we are the only thing that has moral sense.
Most of nature and the nature of things are terrifying impersonal and brutal. For it/them, morals do not exist, we seem to be the necessary instrument to measure such things, which are undoubtedly transient and ambiguous in their nature.

EG- Murder is terrible and socially frowned upon and punishable, but its quite alright to shoot and bomb these other humans over here, because you see, we have alienated them from ourselves through abstract.



I agree with this, the moral aspect matters only for humans, from what I know. That doesn't mean nature is morally right from a human POV, it's morally wrong by general human definition. So I assume nature in itself is neither right nor wrong but in our mindset nature is evil.

You have to be destructive to survive and destructiveness is morally wrong by most human definitions. Destruction is evil.

Evil in itself is based on morals.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063876 - 10/31/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

natures not spiteful or angry


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063877 - 10/31/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19063912 - 10/31/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19063920 - 10/31/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19064000 - 10/31/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My view of evil is when an individual or a group of people oppress another individual or group of people by considering them subhuman. I don't believe evil men necessarily know they are doing evil, and I think evil is more a product of culture then individuals.

I think evil is supported by ideologies that preach dehumanizing ideas, such as Nazism, which used the pseudoscience of eugenics to justify the systematic slaughter of 6 million. The killings were called 'exterminations', which dehumanized the Jews to the level of pest that for the good of society needed to be exterminated.  I don't believe the majority of the German population were born evil, or that they knew they were doing evil by allowing and participating in the holocaust.

So, no I don't believe those who commit evil are born evil. They, for the most part, are blindly following an oppressive ideology. Of course there are psychopaths that are born that way and do kill lots of people, but the amount of deaths due to serial killers is very very small compared to the death toll from nationalism and religion.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064006 - 10/31/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.




Water and the sun aren't organisms. :lol:


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064078 - 10/31/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
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Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?




Anger is just an emotion, humans don't even have to be angry to gather food, just think of a little kid eating rasperrys


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064089 - 10/31/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.




Water and the sun aren't organisms. :lol:



The sun and water create and contribute to organisms so plants indirectly feed off other organisms by competing or taking their space. Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism.

I wonder why you laugh at me - to humiliate me? Now, this is actually interesting in regards to evil...


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064177 - 10/31/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Freedom said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?




Anger is just an emotion, humans don't even have to be angry to gather food, just think of a little kid eating rasperrys



What would you call hungry lions chasing zebras? Instinct? This is based on survival which is based on survival of the fittest which again is based on the strongest organism and to be the strongest animal you have to gain respect. How do you gain respect? Being fearful to your surroundings, this is showed through domination which is portrayed as anger. Flexing body and shouting. What would you call this if not anger?

Definition of anger would fit to hungry lions chasing zebras:

1.
a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence aroused by a wrong; wrath; ire.
4.
to arouse anger or wrath in.

When a lion doesn't get food it's obviously displeased or else it would merely lay down and starve to death. I am not sure how another organisms feelings work but it certainly feels pain and if it doesn't get food it will feel pain and thus get displeasure from this.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064245 - 10/31/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

how am i supposed to know what a lion feels when its chasing a zebra?

But i imagine it doesn't feel anger. Human hunters don't feel anger when hunting.

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What would you call hungry lions chasing zebras? Instinct? This is based on survival which is based on survival of the fittest which again is based on the strongest organism and to be the strongest animal you have to gain respect. How do you gain respect? Being fearful to your surroundings, this is showed through domination which is portrayed as anger. Flexing body and shouting. What would you call this if not anger?




well hmm the fittest isn't always the strongest, i mean plankton aren't very strong but they've been around a lot longer than us so they are very evolutionarly fit.

You don't need respect to be the strongest. and im not sure what your talking about domination and anger - Just cause a lion has a big mane and strong muscles and chases prey doesn't mean its angry.

another thing is your just talking about preditors here but the previous subject was nature, so to say all of nature is evil because you think lions are angry....


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064273 - 10/31/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I laugh because you say silly things, and silly things are funny.
such as: "Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism."


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