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Belief in Pure Evil
    #19063097 - 10/31/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

From a Scientific American article on the subject today:

Quote:

According to this research, one of the central features of BPE is evil’s perceived immutability. Evil people are born evil – they cannot change. Two judgments follow from this perspective: 1) evil people cannot be rehabilitated, and 2) the eradication of evil requires only the eradication of all the evil people.





Do you believe in pure evil?


What about these sentiments?:
Quote:

BPE [Belief in Pure Evil] predicts such effects as: harsher punishments for crimes (e.g. murder, assault, theft), stronger reported support for the death penalty, and decreased support for criminal rehabilitation. Follow-up studies corroborate these findings, showing that BPE also predicts the degree to which participants perceive the world to be dangerous and vile, the perceived need for preemptive military aggression to solve conflicts, and reported support for torture.





Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063211 - 10/31/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've spent a decent amount of time pondering the word because it occurs to me that in absence of religion people's emotional states can be just as strong. IOW it's too elementary to say 'evil doesn't exist' but it's a loaded word so I prefer malevolence.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Rahz]
    #19063281 - 10/31/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063644 - 10/31/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.





They all fit the cycle of nature? :ohyou:


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063715 - 10/31/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think of it as a belief I hold, yet, I believe there have been times in my life where I have been in its presence.

Sometimes I wonder if I catch glimpses of it in myself. When I see it, it feels like a layer has been peeled back for a moment and I see its path, overwhelming ominous, eternal ruin.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063744 - 10/31/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Penelope_Tree said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.





They all fit the cycle of nature? :ohyou:



Which one does not, and why?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063777 - 10/31/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Last time I checked, within known nature, we are the only thing that has moral sense.
Most of nature and the nature of things are terrifying impersonal and brutal. For it/them, morals do not exist, we seem to be the necessary instrument to measure such things, which are undoubtedly transient and ambiguous in their nature.

EG- Murder is terrible and socially frowned upon and punishable, but its quite alright to shoot and bomb these other humans over here, because you see, we have alienated them from ourselves through abstract.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19063808 - 10/31/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Penelope_Tree said:
From a Scientific American article on the subject today:

Quote:

According to this research, one of the central features of BPE is evil’s perceived immutability. Evil people are born evil – they cannot change. Two judgments follow from this perspective: 1) evil people cannot be rehabilitated, and 2) the eradication of evil requires only the eradication of all the evil people.





Do you believe in pure evil?


What about these sentiments?:
Quote:

BPE [Belief in Pure Evil] predicts such effects as: harsher punishments for crimes (e.g. murder, assault, theft), stronger reported support for the death penalty, and decreased support for criminal rehabilitation. Follow-up studies corroborate these findings, showing that BPE also predicts the degree to which participants perceive the world to be dangerous and vile, the perceived need for preemptive military aggression to solve conflicts, and reported support for torture.





Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #19063859 - 10/31/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Raven Gnosis said:
Last time I checked, within known nature, we are the only thing that has moral sense.
Most of nature and the nature of things are terrifying impersonal and brutal. For it/them, morals do not exist, we seem to be the necessary instrument to measure such things, which are undoubtedly transient and ambiguous in their nature.

EG- Murder is terrible and socially frowned upon and punishable, but its quite alright to shoot and bomb these other humans over here, because you see, we have alienated them from ourselves through abstract.



I agree with this, the moral aspect matters only for humans, from what I know. That doesn't mean nature is morally right from a human POV, it's morally wrong by general human definition. So I assume nature in itself is neither right nor wrong but in our mindset nature is evil.

You have to be destructive to survive and destructiveness is morally wrong by most human definitions. Destruction is evil.

Evil in itself is based on morals.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063876 - 10/31/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

natures not spiteful or angry


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19063877 - 10/31/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19063912 - 10/31/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19063920 - 10/31/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19064000 - 10/31/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My view of evil is when an individual or a group of people oppress another individual or group of people by considering them subhuman. I don't believe evil men necessarily know they are doing evil, and I think evil is more a product of culture then individuals.

I think evil is supported by ideologies that preach dehumanizing ideas, such as Nazism, which used the pseudoscience of eugenics to justify the systematic slaughter of 6 million. The killings were called 'exterminations', which dehumanized the Jews to the level of pest that for the good of society needed to be exterminated.  I don't believe the majority of the German population were born evil, or that they knew they were doing evil by allowing and participating in the holocaust.

So, no I don't believe those who commit evil are born evil. They, for the most part, are blindly following an oppressive ideology. Of course there are psychopaths that are born that way and do kill lots of people, but the amount of deaths due to serial killers is very very small compared to the death toll from nationalism and religion.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064006 - 10/31/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.




Water and the sun aren't organisms. :lol:


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064078 - 10/31/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?




Anger is just an emotion, humans don't even have to be angry to gather food, just think of a little kid eating rasperrys


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064089 - 10/31/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Nature is evil, it's a vicious cycle.

For one organism to exist it needs to continuously eradicate other organisms. If you disagree, find me a relevant example?

EVIL:

1. Morally bad or wrong
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune
4. Bad or blameworthy by report
5. Characterized by anger or spite

They all fit the cycle of nature to the absolute core.




The majority of plants don't need to eradicate other organisms to survive.



But they have to feed on other organisms to survive, whether it's water or energy from the sun.




Water and the sun aren't organisms. :lol:



The sun and water create and contribute to organisms so plants indirectly feed off other organisms by competing or taking their space. Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism.

I wonder why you laugh at me - to humiliate me? Now, this is actually interesting in regards to evil...


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064177 - 10/31/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Freedom said:
Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

Freedom said:
natures not spiteful or angry



You have to be spiteful and angry to gather food, this is perhaps the driving force for an organism to survive. Isn't peaceful the opposite to angry?




Anger is just an emotion, humans don't even have to be angry to gather food, just think of a little kid eating rasperrys



What would you call hungry lions chasing zebras? Instinct? This is based on survival which is based on survival of the fittest which again is based on the strongest organism and to be the strongest animal you have to gain respect. How do you gain respect? Being fearful to your surroundings, this is showed through domination which is portrayed as anger. Flexing body and shouting. What would you call this if not anger?

Definition of anger would fit to hungry lions chasing zebras:

1.
a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence aroused by a wrong; wrath; ire.
4.
to arouse anger or wrath in.

When a lion doesn't get food it's obviously displeased or else it would merely lay down and starve to death. I am not sure how another organisms feelings work but it certainly feels pain and if it doesn't get food it will feel pain and thus get displeasure from this.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064245 - 10/31/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how am i supposed to know what a lion feels when its chasing a zebra?

But i imagine it doesn't feel anger. Human hunters don't feel anger when hunting.

Quote:

What would you call hungry lions chasing zebras? Instinct? This is based on survival which is based on survival of the fittest which again is based on the strongest organism and to be the strongest animal you have to gain respect. How do you gain respect? Being fearful to your surroundings, this is showed through domination which is portrayed as anger. Flexing body and shouting. What would you call this if not anger?




well hmm the fittest isn't always the strongest, i mean plankton aren't very strong but they've been around a lot longer than us so they are very evolutionarly fit.

You don't need respect to be the strongest. and im not sure what your talking about domination and anger - Just cause a lion has a big mane and strong muscles and chases prey doesn't mean its angry.

another thing is your just talking about preditors here but the previous subject was nature, so to say all of nature is evil because you think lions are angry....


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064273 - 10/31/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I laugh because you say silly things, and silly things are funny.
such as: "Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism."


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19064282 - 10/31/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe in good or evil, only lots of gray.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064315 - 10/31/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how am i supposed to know what a lion feels when its chasing a zebra?

But i imagine it doesn't feel anger. Human hunters don't feel anger when hunting.


What do you feel when not getting food?

well hmm the fittest isn't always the strongest, i mean plankton aren't very strong but they've been around a lot longer than us so they are very evolutionarly fit.

Will of life, strength. For them to exist, another has to go extinct in the long run.

You don't need respect to be the strongest. and im not sure what your talking about domination and anger - Just cause a lion has a big mane and strong muscles and chases prey doesn't mean its angry.

To call the shots in your pack you have to be the dominating part, this is respect. For the pack to not die out you show the pack to food.

An organism feels displeasure from pain, right?

another thing is your just talking about preditors here but the previous subject was nature, so to say all of nature is evil because you think lions are angry....

Nature is a vicious cycle, birth and death is viciousness in practice. Nature is angry by human definition as the organism and particle will do whatever it takes to survive and when it starves, the route to survival is anger. If not, nature would be peaceful and none would get hurt.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064325 - 10/31/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
I laugh because you say silly things, and silly things are funny.
such as: "Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism."



Aren't silly things what ruin this world?

What is wrong with that statement?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19064341 - 10/31/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
I don't believe in good or evil, only lots of gray.



Nature in itself just is, neither good, evil nor gray. There's hardly any other word to describe nature as a whole or in itself than nature IMO.

From a human POV it's evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064362 - 10/31/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
I laugh because you say silly things, and silly things are funny.
such as: "Water and sun consist of particles nonetheless, and their desire to exist is there, just like an organism."



Aren't silly things what ruin this world?

What is wrong with that statement?




no, I don't think silly things ruin the world.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064380 - 10/31/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Definition of silly:

Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness
Semiconscious

Why don't you think this is what ruin the world?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064400 - 10/31/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Because it's funny. Funny things make the world better for me.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064433 - 10/31/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For you it might but what about the opposite part?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064506 - 10/31/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what opposite part?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064550 - 10/31/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The one you're laughing at?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064599 - 10/31/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You cannot reason with liquidlounge.  Waste of time.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064686 - 10/31/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Learn not to take yourself so seriously? I laugh at myself all the time.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064773 - 10/31/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i feel hungry

I think you're using a weird definition of anger


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064813 - 10/31/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

White Beard said:
Learn not to take yourself so seriously? I laugh at myself all the time.



So you willingly contribute to the following:

Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness
Semiconscious

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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064828 - 10/31/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Freedom said:
i feel hungry

I think you're using a weird definition of anger



And if you didn't get food?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064841 - 10/31/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes willingly(when I'm having fun), and sometimes unwillingly (when I'm being dumb)


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064849 - 10/31/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol i'd feel hungry.

I guess you'd feel angry?

I usually don't feel angry when I don't get what I want


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064857 - 10/31/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If someone was purposely preventing me from getting food, then I'd be angry at them.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19064876 - 10/31/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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White Beard said:
Sometimes willingly(when I'm having fun), and sometimes unwillingly (when I'm being dumb)



You're silly regardless though?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19064884 - 10/31/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol i'd feel hungry.

I guess you'd feel angry?

I usually don't feel angry when I don't get what I want



So you wouldn't turn to anger so that you could get food if you were desperate enough?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064925 - 10/31/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
Quote:

White Beard said:
Sometimes willingly(when I'm having fun), and sometimes unwillingly (when I'm being dumb)



You're silly regardless though?




I'm silly when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

This shouldn't be too hard to get.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19065084 - 10/31/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In other words, you carelessly contribute to the following:

Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness
Semiconscious

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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19065098 - 10/31/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

honestly, you have poor reading comprehension.

let me repeat: I'm silly(as you define it) when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm unintentionally silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

there's a time and a place for it


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19065343 - 10/31/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol i'd feel hungry.

I guess you'd feel angry?

I usually don't feel angry when I don't get what I want



So you wouldn't turn to anger so that you could get food if you were desperate enough?





I won't let you turn me to the dark side!



Seriously I don't find anger that useful of an emotion. I think if I was starving I'd feel something more like desperation


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19066346 - 10/31/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the word can relate to anger/harm/destruction but there could be another connotation in which the perception of evil relates to psycho-pathologies. Apparently Elizabeth Bathory would murder for fun and bathed in their blood. I can't say it's 'pure evil' but it's pretty fucking wack. In the book "People of the Lie" Peck does a good job describing how thoughts and perceptions can become detrimental and produce hurtful behavior. The last 1/3 of the book wasn't as good as the first and the results don't support all of his conclusions but it's worth reading for it's objective bits and how they relate to the concept of evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Rahz]
    #19067481 - 11/01/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Peck went totally bonkers with that book.  A defense of religious belief at the expense of his integrity as therapist. :crazy2:  It was a fun read at times though.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19068814 - 11/01/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like how,, in the book The Science of Evil, Simon Baron-Cohen posits a detrimental manifestation of a lack of empathy as the basis for human evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19069215 - 11/01/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19069702 - 11/01/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?




Seems like the most obvious answer here would be to see a psychiatrist, but that very well might not help. The issue not being psychiatry but the individual practicing it, most humans seem to be utterly incompetent.

Good luck though


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19069892 - 11/01/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both good and evil are figments of the human imagination. Neither can exist without someone to judge and thereby label. What is good and evil isn't even agreed upon from individual to individual because it's not real. It exists only internally with all the other things humans believe in without any evidence. The vast majority of us are schizophrenic to various degrees.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19069942 - 11/01/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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honestly, you have poor reading comprehension.

let me repeat: I'm silly(as you define it) when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm unintentionally silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

there's a time and a place for it



Would you define silly any other way than what a legal dictionary does?

It doesn't matter whether you're silly intentionally or not.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19069978 - 11/01/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Seriously I don't find anger that useful of an emotion. I think if I was starving I'd feel something more like desperation



Aren't we indirectly fighting other people over food everyday? Certainly fighting is based on anger.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Ara16w]
    #19071654 - 11/01/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both good and evil are figments of the human imagination.

As far as our belief in them goes that's true since we ultimately don't know the meaning of everything we cannot easily judge what anything means. If there actually is good and evil we are not the ones to know or judge it.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19071762 - 11/01/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Evil is natural. Self control is the anti-evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19072015 - 11/01/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think Peck went totally bonkers with that book.  A defense of religious belief at the expense of his integrity as therapist. :crazy2:  It was a fun read at times though.




I liked how he portrayed contrasting examples of human pathologies and united them with a constant thread. There's no need to accept the religious interpretation to see the underlying thread of the Lie he proposes. What I consider an interesting academic study did end up being it's own kind of lie because it's conclusions didn't follow from the observations. So yea, fun at times. There are so few books on evil though. :shrug:


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Vahunter]
    #19072115 - 11/01/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Evil is natural. Self control is the anti-evil.





Wrong


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Vahunter]
    #19072387 - 11/01/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, evil doesn't exist without judgement, perception, opinion, etc. Group mentality has named certain acts as evil, morally unjust, but do these acts have this negative connotation without the power of human thought and judgement?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19074718 - 11/02/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?




Seems like the most obvious answer here would be to see a psychiatrist, but that very well might not help. The issue not being psychiatry but the individual practicing it, most humans seem to be utterly incompetent.

Good luck though




Thanks.  I've learned to live with it and even attack them when they are in my body.  I've seen many psychs and they don't buy into the idea that these entities actually exist.  What is of more concern is that I've experienced the meds that they prescribe giving the entities more control over my mind/emotions/body.  Nothing that I've tried does much for their voices.  And yes, I know that some of them are EVIL.  They even look evil when I can see them.  Rape is evil and this is what they do.  Cooking someone in a fire is evil and this is what they do.  Ruining someone's life, relationships, and family and friends is evil and this is what they do.  Superimposing their reality over mine and creating psychosis is evil and this is what they do.  I have been smoking a blend called Heaven's Grass and this has seemed to calm them down and they do not bother me as much.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19074882 - 11/02/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks.  I've learned to live with it and even attack them when they are in my body.  I've seen many psychs and they don't buy into the idea that these entities actually exist.  What is of more concern is that I've experienced the meds that they prescribe giving the entities more control over my mind/emotions/body.  Nothing that I've tried does much for their voices.  And yes, I know that some of them are EVIL.  They even look evil when I can see them.  Rape is evil and this is what they do.  Cooking someone in a fire is evil and this is what they do.  Ruining someone's life, relationships, and family and friends is evil and this is what they do.  Superimposing their reality over mine and creating psychosis is evil and this is what they do.  I have been smoking a blend called Heaven's Grass and this has seemed to calm them down and they do not bother me as much.




Well I've had similar experiences as you, never gone to see a psychiatrist and it only lasted about a year but things were pretty bad. For me it all tied into stress and dissipated over time as I just ignored it / let it continue without giving it any attention, and moved on with my life.

Maybe the meds and doctors made you feel worse and gave them more control, because you felt that the doctors were taking control in a way you didn't like? What seemed to work for me was just living and trying to be happy, the voices and dreams just faded away with the tension and stress.


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