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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19064925 - 10/31/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sometimes willingly(when I'm having fun), and sometimes unwillingly (when I'm being dumb)



You're silly regardless though?




I'm silly when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

This shouldn't be too hard to get.


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Invisibleliquidlounge

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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19065084 - 10/31/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In other words, you carelessly contribute to the following:

Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness
Semiconscious

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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19065098 - 10/31/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

honestly, you have poor reading comprehension.

let me repeat: I'm silly(as you define it) when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm unintentionally silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

there's a time and a place for it


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19065343 - 10/31/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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lol i'd feel hungry.

I guess you'd feel angry?

I usually don't feel angry when I don't get what I want



So you wouldn't turn to anger so that you could get food if you were desperate enough?





I won't let you turn me to the dark side!



Seriously I don't find anger that useful of an emotion. I think if I was starving I'd feel something more like desperation


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19066346 - 10/31/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the word can relate to anger/harm/destruction but there could be another connotation in which the perception of evil relates to psycho-pathologies. Apparently Elizabeth Bathory would murder for fun and bathed in their blood. I can't say it's 'pure evil' but it's pretty fucking wack. In the book "People of the Lie" Peck does a good job describing how thoughts and perceptions can become detrimental and produce hurtful behavior. The last 1/3 of the book wasn't as good as the first and the results don't support all of his conclusions but it's worth reading for it's objective bits and how they relate to the concept of evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Rahz]
    #19067481 - 11/01/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Peck went totally bonkers with that book.  A defense of religious belief at the expense of his integrity as therapist. :crazy2:  It was a fun read at times though.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19068814 - 11/01/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like how,, in the book The Science of Evil, Simon Baron-Cohen posits a detrimental manifestation of a lack of empathy as the basis for human evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19069215 - 11/01/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19069702 - 11/01/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?




Seems like the most obvious answer here would be to see a psychiatrist, but that very well might not help. The issue not being psychiatry but the individual practicing it, most humans seem to be utterly incompetent.

Good luck though


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19069892 - 11/01/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both good and evil are figments of the human imagination. Neither can exist without someone to judge and thereby label. What is good and evil isn't even agreed upon from individual to individual because it's not real. It exists only internally with all the other things humans believe in without any evidence. The vast majority of us are schizophrenic to various degrees.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: White Beard]
    #19069942 - 11/01/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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White Beard said:
honestly, you have poor reading comprehension.

let me repeat: I'm silly(as you define it) when it doesn't matter, i.e. when I'm having fun, playing games, etc. because it's enjoyable.
I'm unintentionally silly when it does matter when I unintentionally have a bad idea or something similar. 

there's a time and a place for it



Would you define silly any other way than what a legal dictionary does?

It doesn't matter whether you're silly intentionally or not.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Freedom]
    #19069978 - 11/01/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Freedom said:
Seriously I don't find anger that useful of an emotion. I think if I was starving I'd feel something more like desperation



Aren't we indirectly fighting other people over food everyday? Certainly fighting is based on anger.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Ara16w]
    #19071654 - 11/01/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both good and evil are figments of the human imagination.

As far as our belief in them goes that's true since we ultimately don't know the meaning of everything we cannot easily judge what anything means. If there actually is good and evil we are not the ones to know or judge it.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19071762 - 11/01/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Evil is natural. Self control is the anti-evil.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Icelander]
    #19072015 - 11/01/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think Peck went totally bonkers with that book.  A defense of religious belief at the expense of his integrity as therapist. :crazy2:  It was a fun read at times though.




I liked how he portrayed contrasting examples of human pathologies and united them with a constant thread. There's no need to accept the religious interpretation to see the underlying thread of the Lie he proposes. What I consider an interesting academic study did end up being it's own kind of lie because it's conclusions didn't follow from the observations. So yea, fun at times. There are so few books on evil though. :shrug:


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Vahunter]
    #19072115 - 11/01/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Evil is natural. Self control is the anti-evil.





Wrong


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Vahunter]
    #19072387 - 11/01/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, evil doesn't exist without judgement, perception, opinion, etc. Group mentality has named certain acts as evil, morally unjust, but do these acts have this negative connotation without the power of human thought and judgement?


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19074718 - 11/02/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
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Clearly, the answer to uniting humanity & achieving World Peace lies in our ability to accept demonic possession as a real & frequent phenomena.




An entire new paradigm needs to be found/realized.  As someone going through this on a daily basis (possession) I know that pure evil exists.  But, I don't believe that people are born evil.  You can however open a dark door and become more influenced by evil. (entities/demons)  It was called soul braiding in my case.  An entity jumped in my body and they have been hitching rides with me since 2006.  Some are there seemingly only to create hell, tension, and shame.  At one point they wanted me dead and repeated that over and over.  Satan and his angels exist.

The question is: how do you locate the demon and know that someone is possessed?  Then what do you do?




Seems like the most obvious answer here would be to see a psychiatrist, but that very well might not help. The issue not being psychiatry but the individual practicing it, most humans seem to be utterly incompetent.

Good luck though




Thanks.  I've learned to live with it and even attack them when they are in my body.  I've seen many psychs and they don't buy into the idea that these entities actually exist.  What is of more concern is that I've experienced the meds that they prescribe giving the entities more control over my mind/emotions/body.  Nothing that I've tried does much for their voices.  And yes, I know that some of them are EVIL.  They even look evil when I can see them.  Rape is evil and this is what they do.  Cooking someone in a fire is evil and this is what they do.  Ruining someone's life, relationships, and family and friends is evil and this is what they do.  Superimposing their reality over mine and creating psychosis is evil and this is what they do.  I have been smoking a blend called Heaven's Grass and this has seemed to calm them down and they do not bother me as much.


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Re: Belief in Pure Evil [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19074882 - 11/02/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks.  I've learned to live with it and even attack them when they are in my body.  I've seen many psychs and they don't buy into the idea that these entities actually exist.  What is of more concern is that I've experienced the meds that they prescribe giving the entities more control over my mind/emotions/body.  Nothing that I've tried does much for their voices.  And yes, I know that some of them are EVIL.  They even look evil when I can see them.  Rape is evil and this is what they do.  Cooking someone in a fire is evil and this is what they do.  Ruining someone's life, relationships, and family and friends is evil and this is what they do.  Superimposing their reality over mine and creating psychosis is evil and this is what they do.  I have been smoking a blend called Heaven's Grass and this has seemed to calm them down and they do not bother me as much.




Well I've had similar experiences as you, never gone to see a psychiatrist and it only lasted about a year but things were pretty bad. For me it all tied into stress and dissipated over time as I just ignored it / let it continue without giving it any attention, and moved on with my life.

Maybe the meds and doctors made you feel worse and gave them more control, because you felt that the doctors were taking control in a way you didn't like? What seemed to work for me was just living and trying to be happy, the voices and dreams just faded away with the tension and stress.


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