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New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21
    #19061771 - 10/31/13 04:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/nyregion/new-york-approves-law-to-raise-tobacco-purchasing-age-to-21.html?_r=0
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Buying cigarettes in New York City is about to become a lot harder for young people, as lawmakers on Wednesday adopted the strictest limits on tobacco purchases of any major American city.

The legal age for buying tobacco, including cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos will rise to 21, from 18, under a bill adopted by the City Council and which Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has said he would sign. The new minimum age will take effect six months after signing.

The proposal provoked some protest among people who pointed out that New Yorkers under 21 can drive, vote and fight in wars, and should be considered mature enough to decide whether to buy cigarettes. But the Bloomberg administration’s argument — that raising the age to buy cigarettes would discourage people from becoming addicted in the first place — won the day.

“This is literally legislation that will save lives,” Christine C. Quinn, the Council speaker, said shortly before the bill passed 35 to 10.

In pushing the bill, city officials said that the earlier people began smoking, the more likely they were to become addicted. And they pointed out that while the youth smoking rate in the city has declined by more than half since the beginning of the mayor’s administration, to 8.5 percent in 2007 from 17.6 percent in 2001, it has recently stalled.

Besides raising the age to buy cigarettes, the Council also approved various other antismoking measures, such as increased penalties for retailers who evade tobacco taxes, a prohibition on discounts for tobacco products, and a minimum price of $10.50 a pack for cigarettes and little cigars.

The new law is a capstone to more than a decade of efforts by Mr. Bloomberg, like banning smoking in most public places, that have given the city some of the toughest antismoking policies in the world.

In one concession to the cigarette industry, the administration dropped a proposal that would force retailers to keep cigarettes out of sight. City officials said they were doing it because they had not resolved how to deal with the new phenomenon of electronic cigarettes, but others worried that if the tobacco industry lodged a First Amendment challenge to the so-called display ban, it could have derailed the entire package.

The smoking age is 18 in most of the country, but some states have made it 19. Some counties have also adopted 19, including Nassau and Suffolk on Long Island. Needham, Mass., a suburb of Boston, raised the smoking age to 21 in 2005.

James Calvin, president of the New York Association of Convenience Stores, warned on Wednesday that thousands of retail jobs could be lost because the law would reduce traffic not just for tobacco, but also on incidental purchases like coffee or lottery tickets. He predicted that the law would do little to curb smoking, as it does not outlaw the possession of cigarettes by under-age smokers, only their purchase.

Just before the vote, Nicole Spencer, 16, was in Union Square in Manhattan with a cigarette wedged between her fingers.

“I don’t think that’s going to work,” Nicole said when she heard about the plan to raise the age.

She said she began smoking when she was about 13, and had no trouble getting cigarettes. “I buy them off people or I bum them off people,” she said.

She said that “probably half” of her friends at her high school smoked.

Nicole said she thought 18 was a reasonable legal age, echoing Councilman Jumaane D. Williams, who said he voted no because it was not right for the city to ask young people to make life-or-death decisions as police officers and firefighters yet to have “no ability to buy a pack of cigarettes.”





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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: cycline]
    #19061780 - 10/31/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

10.50 a pack? Hoo boy, a lot of smokers ain't gonna be happy with that.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19061808 - 10/31/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone feel like making some money in NYC selling untaxed cigarettes?
If we don't use the chance, someone else will.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Lord_McLovin] * 1
    #19061815 - 10/31/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure the mobsters there are way ahead of you.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19061821 - 10/31/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You are surely right.

On a serious note, this is absolutely ridiculous. This just criminalizes people unnecessarily and creates a black market.
Why can't we treat the psychoactive substances market like - well, err, adults?


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19061838 - 10/31/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Edited by Konyap (10/31/13 05:50 AM)


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19061872 - 10/31/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
You are surely right.

On a serious note, this is absolutely ridiculous. This just criminalizes people unnecessarily and creates a black market.
Why can't we treat the psychoactive substances market like - well, err, adults?




They're not adults though, they pretty much fail to meet expectations and trash everything they come into contact with.

It's the same with alcohol people are supposed to be learning to drive at that age.

It's probably better off in the long run they don't sell to people that age is what I'm saying


Edited by Konyap (10/31/13 05:52 AM)


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: cycline] * 3
    #19062040 - 10/31/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No surprise there. Bloomberg et al have been hard at work for some time now, making New York safe for the rich and miserable for anyone deemed insignificant. Good on you, Billionaire Asshole & Co.

Hell, instead of simply raising the price and minimum age, bar anyone with assets (as if most Americans had any at all) over a given value from purchasing cigarettes. Then you can be sure to blame the poor for the scourge of tobacco addiction, line the pockets of anyone of significance, keep those smelly smokers from polluting the precious air of bougie dickheads in restaurants, and set yourself up for the next Health Bullshit Scare Campaign.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: partythug]
    #19062076 - 10/31/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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partythug said:
No surprise there. Bloomberg et al have been hard at work for some time now, making New York safe for the rich and miserable for anyone deemed insignificant. Good on you, Billionaire Asshole & Co.

Hell, instead of simply raising the price and minimum age, bar anyone with assets (as if most Americans had any at all) over a given value from purchasing cigarettes. Then you can be sure to blame the poor for the scourge of tobacco addiction, line the pockets of anyone of significance, keep those smelly smokers from polluting the precious air of bougie dickheads in restaurants, and set yourself up for the next Health Bullshit Scare Campaign.





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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062102 - 10/31/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All this is going to do is make Internet bulk cigarette companies rich. I can't see that lasting.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19062118 - 10/31/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
10.50 a pack? Hoo boy, a lot of smokers ain't gonna be happy with that.




Should be $50.00


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062133 - 10/31/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19062138 - 10/31/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
10.50 a pack? Hoo boy, a lot of smokers ain't gonna be happy with that.



Pack of Newports on Staten Island has been hovering at $12.50 for a while now, if you're in Midtown Manhattan, expect to pay $15 - $10.50 is cheap in NYC for cigarettes.
NJ has had the age at 19 for a while now.
21 is fucking ludicrous.
More nanny state bullshit from Bloomberg. He'll probably try to implement a ban on lighters next so nobody can light their cigarettes.
This guy's a fucking clown.

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Lord_McLovin said:
Anyone feel like making some money in NYC selling untaxed cigarettes?
If we don't use the chance, someone else will.



Been going on for years:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/nyregion/05loosie.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Happens all over urban areas.
Where I work, pretty much every morning I'd hit the corner bodega and get 2 Newport 100's for a $1, and some Mexican like beef pastry thing. Grand total? $1.75 for all of it:awetongue:


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Absent Minded]
    #19062143 - 10/31/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They need to legalize salvia again lol unfair


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062175 - 10/31/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
They need to legalize salvia again lol unfair



That's illegal too?
Doesn't surprise me..
Honestly, you can have mine. If you can find me:wink:


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Absent Minded]
    #19062181 - 10/31/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Absent Minded said:
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Illyabo said:
They need to legalize salvia again lol unfair



That's illegal too?
Doesn't surprise me..
Honestly, you can have mine. If you can find me;)



Schumer did it, ever since that I've considered him a weasel and a pencil pusher.


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062182 - 10/31/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hurricane sandy is all they talk about now

gotta prepare for hurricane sandy hurricane sandy


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062209 - 10/31/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The hurricane from a year ago?:confused:


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #19062239 - 10/31/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
Anyone feel like making some money in NYC selling untaxed cigarettes?
If we don't use the chance, someone else will.




this is too easy.

buy cigarettes pennsylvania for 5 dollars a pack

sell in nyc for 9 dollars a pack

just as good as sellin dope!


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Re: New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21 [Re: Konyap]
    #19062248 - 10/31/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Quote:

Lord_McLovin said:
You are surely right.

On a serious note, this is absolutely ridiculous. This just criminalizes people unnecessarily and creates a black market.
Why can't we treat the psychoactive substances market like - well, err, adults?




They're not adults though, they pretty much fail to meet expectations and trash everything they come into contact with.

It's the same with alcohol people are supposed to be learning to drive at that age.

It's probably better off in the long run they don't sell to people that age is what I'm saying




Actually in america we learn to drive at 15 not 18. Raising the age requirements doesn't help anything. As you can see nearly every single college kid drinks their liver to shit on a weekend basis and only 1/4-2/5 of them are legal age.

Even if people did abstain til they were 21 it's not going to stop them from becoming smokers then the same way it doesn't stop them from becoming smokers at 18. For most people 18-21 is the transition time in which they learn to smoke, and then learn that it's affecting them and quick. That's a process people need to go through for themselves, not be taught by legislature.


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