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2bittoker
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Novanity1]
#19061199 - 10/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Novanity1 said: I feel like if you're buying a grow kit you're most likely just in it for the drugs. It just shows that you're looking for immediate results and you're not willing to take the time to learn.
I remember, a couple years back, some of my friends buying spawn bags and inoculating them with ms. No one got any shrooms out of the whole ordeal. One dumb shit even opened the bag before it was fully colonized.
EXACTLY. When I started a few months ago, some of my friends who liked to do mushrooms decided they wanted to do it as well. I pointed them to the shroomery and told them to start researching.
Now I have always had a geek fascination for science and scientific methods so learning mycology was really fun for me. And I learn really cool stuff everyday Im on here still. But of course they wanted shrooms. They looked for about a half day at posts on the shroomery, mostly drooling at large flushes and started googling kits. They essentially got bored with all the reading.
I went out and did a BRF grow. Went out, got all the materials and ordered..."Edible Gourmet"...syringes. Set up a glove box, and followed the PF Tek step by step. Their kit came in, which was essentially a poor mans pod and 6 pre-sterilized jars with what looked like Gypsm in it. They followed the instructions on the kit and bought a syringe off of me. They also did an open air inoculation because the instructions said the injection port was "self-filtering and healing". They did flame the needle, to their credit.
Anywho their instructions told them to start up what was essentially a PMP and use it as an incubator, water and all, and use the included aquarium heater. I warned against this several times, but they insisted the instructions had to be right. Well, my jars colonized and fruited in my homemade PMP and produced a huge first flush. Meanwhile, their jars, which were smaller than mine were stuck at 50% colonization. They eventually moved them to a dry drawer and at that point all the contams that had been brewing took hold. Lipstick mold, cobweb mold AND trich. They ended up giving up and called me an "idiot" for pursuing something that could "Fail" so much.
I am now 15-0 without a single batch or jar becoming infected by following the PF tek to the letter and using a glovebox.
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Giggle_Grower
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
#19061250 - 10/31/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grow kits.suck because You dont know whats in them. You dont know how it was made You dont know if its made properly. You dont learn anything. They rarely are efficent. You waste money. You waste money. You waste your money!
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Giggle_Grower]
#19061303 - 10/31/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They provide a shitty microclimate for the mushrooms.
It's fun doing it yourself!
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sytar
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Giggle_Grower]
#19061306 - 10/31/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).
Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.
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PussyFart
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
#19061340 - 10/31/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The instructions could usually be written better by noobs after only a day of research on these forums.
That says a lot....
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Edited by PussyFart (10/31/13 12:52 AM)
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Andrew9115
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
#19061523 - 10/31/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sytar said: I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).
Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.
Right? not sure if you saw my comment in this thread about my midwest kit but at the end i realized the exact same, the only valuable thing in this kit was the pre steralized jars...
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Pestile

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Andrew9115]
#19061531 - 10/31/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Andrew9115 said: Right? not sure if you saw my comment in this thread about my midwest kit but at the end i realized the exact same, the only valuable thing in this kit was the pre steralized jars...
Which can be made for cheap money.
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Giggle_Grower
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: PussyFart]
#19061557 - 10/31/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: The instructions could usually be written better by noobs after only a day of research on these forums.
That says a lot....
QFT The kit i bought years ago didnt even have instructions.
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Edited by Giggle_Grower (10/31/13 02:31 AM)
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pestile]
#19061559 - 10/31/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pestilence said:
Which can be made for cheap money.
Made 20 jars, sterilized and inoculated last week just took $100 to learn my lesson haha
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Novanity1
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
#19063130 - 10/31/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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2bittoker said:
Now I have always had a geek fascination for science and scientific methods so learning mycology was really fun for me.
I don't even like tripping anymore yet I still grow. I'm just fascinated by fungi I guess lol
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Novanity1]
#19063208 - 10/31/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i recently orderd a grow kit and i recieved it and then i realized fuck i spent 200$ on shit i could have bought at homedepot and petsmart for like 50$ but i learned my lesson
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
#19063231 - 10/31/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sytar said: I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).
Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.
man i had the same problem with midwest's jars they colonize so slow and ive come to realize the jars are probably older than mother natures twat.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: commradecrack]
#19063276 - 10/31/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd trust a Nigerian Prince to send me money before I'd trust a growkit
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19063511 - 10/31/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my understanding was, grow kit exports, were a major part of the nigerian GNP.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19063936 - 10/31/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread is awesome. It's exactly what I intended. Thanks so much to everyone. It would be great if it was replied to every day or so, that way it's frequently seen.
With grow kits, if something goes wrong, it's a lot of money down the drain and you basically get 1 shot at it.
If you're lucky, you are left with stuff you could have spent $10-$50 on.
In the end, you still end up coming on shroomery asking how to do it right. Then, when you mess up, you don't have to spend any more money to try again, except maybe spores.
For any noobs who have read this far, I hope you are getting the message, "Grow Kits Suck".
It don't matter which one you are interested in, it sucks. If you don't believe what you've read so far, keep reading.
A link to this thread is being posted in your thread for a reason. If you go ahead and buy a grow kit anyway, then come back on the forums asking for help, I will flame you harshly for being a dumb-ass.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19064088 - 10/31/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: my understanding was, grow kit exports, were a major part of the nigerian GNP.
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anne halonium
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19064217 - 10/31/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have found this thread to be most informative, and, also encourage everyone to link to it in the future, when grow kits are discussed.
ive bookmarked it.
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OUboundMycologist
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19064518 - 10/31/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kit substrate jars= NO GROWTH BRF + Vermiculite Jars made by doing it yourself= GROWTH Just DO IT YOURSELF
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anne halonium
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i might add, kits are blasphemy to the community. insulting both sincere noobs, and pros alike.
" grow kits, are more unpopular than annie"
now thats sayin something.............
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19064567 - 10/31/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: i might add, kits are blasphemy to the community. insulting both sincere noobs, and pros alike.
" grow kits, are more unpopular than annie"
now thats sayin something.............
At least kits have a chance of offering something....below the belt? Take in stride I'm just poking fun anne
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