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4HO-DMT


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What is a foot really?
#19061125 - 10/30/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A foot of green flesh? A foot of whole cactus? How many ribs are on that foot? How wide is it rib to rib? Was it a tip or a center cut?
We as a community should try to figure out some kind of standard for cacti. As it currently stands, dosage advice is hit or miss. Powdered flesh is easy to weigh, but powdered green flesh versus whole cactus will produce different trip intensities. Fresh weight has issues too. Not looking for arguments, just curious how others gauge. Please discus.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19061143 - 10/30/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every cactus has different potency anyways. You have to gauge potency for yourself.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19061147 - 10/30/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just dry the out green flesh but I would say all cacti vary in amount of actives
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I had a foot of green flesh and a foot of whole cactus, from the same stock, on separate occasions. They varied wildly in intensity. The green flesh was a moderate, gentle and inviting experience. The whole cactus took over. Ego was dissolved. Poof. The whole stock was a center cut too, while the other was a top cut. So, I don't know if it was better because it was older, or whole cactus or what. One thing, I noticed was that whole cactus has a higher body load than just flesh. The set and setting for both occasions were similar.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19061836 - 10/31/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you want to dose accurately you have to do some research and some math. It's not hard, you just need to know the recorded average minimum and maximum mescaline content of your particular species of cactus. Then you go through the dosage dance to figure out how potent your cactus is. Takes many trips, so you're going to need a lot more than one foot.
Most people just say fuck it and eat a foot or two. That's probably what you're going to do, so you have no idea what you're in for. That's okay, though. Apparently mescaline is very forgiving.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19061848 - 10/31/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The core has LOTS of actives... 2/3rds of the potency of green flesh per weight, and it weighs A LOT more... (In my experience.)
I have also had cactus where the core itself still looks greenish...
Seriously, I'd rather go and take a nice 1kg piece. Weigh it bro. Use the whole thing, except the spines and waxy layer. Eat whatever is stuck to the waxy layer when you take it off. In fact, what I like to do is cut off a thin-as-possible piece with the waxy layer, and have a nice strip, no thicker than a centimeter, preferably a bit thinner. Then I make my tea with the rest. Then, when the tea is done, and cooling down, I'll eat the strips. It seems to buffer my stomach and start the digestion process, and the tea seems to work a whole lot better and causes much less nausea.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: The Centre]
#19061861 - 10/31/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why do you make it so difficult?
Blend cacti, spines and all, boil in water several times, reduce.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: healing]
#19061928 - 10/31/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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healing said: Why do you make it so difficult?
Blend cacti, spines and all, boil in water several times, reduce.
Spines and all is fine if you're working with pedro, but peruvian/bridgesii? Eh no.
Also, making the strips is optional.
And as for the waxy layer... Meh, you can keep it on or you can remove it. If I was just making tea without having strips to chew beforehand, I just leave it on. Cutting off the thin strip is easy as pie. Trying to separate it from the cactus itself, not as easy, unless you are using your teeth to do it. But having the strips seems to help my stomach tremendously.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT] 1
#19062070 - 10/31/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I usually just dose it by intuition when I'm making a brew. No need for measurement, just make sure there's enough, and then add some more.
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Always brew two to three times what you think you'll need that way if your specimen is weak/lackluster you can drink more. What you don't use you can freeze and save for another time.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: ShroomDoom] 1
#19062302 - 10/31/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: Always brew two to three times what you think you'll need and quickly drink it all on a empty stomach.
Fixed.
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As mentioned, potency varies so no way to standardize dosage Seasonal differences, stresses, water and nutrients, genetics, age... All play into it
So you are right.... Saying a foot is poor advice but really as good as you will get really
This is a good break down of where in the cactus is mescaline found http://www.largelyaccurateinformationmedia.com/SC3/SC3_B.pdf
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19064793 - 10/31/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies. I guess I am jumping the gun by thinking that we could set some sort of standard. I like the idea about just making loads of tea and re-dosing if needed though. In a way it is sort of like weed, which varies widely in potency. The difference is you can get a sense of how strong weed is by eyeballing/smelling it. This is not the case with cacti.
The dose response curve is non-linear too. A 'foot' is not twice as strong as 6 inches. I haven't gone beyond a 'foot' yet, but it must be insane.
I love da mighty cactus. 
Edit: @ HarryL, I read that write-up before. It is a good read and I recommend it to any cactus lovers.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT] 1
#19064889 - 10/31/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just measure the full cutting with a measuring tape...2 feet of stressed SP/Achuma is fucking great. 12 inches can still be a very good experience, especially if it's a potent cutting.
If eating it I just eat the green flesh. If you go this route make sure to save the white fiber & core in the freezer if you arent going to make a tea for the same time as eating it. If you save up enough white fiber & cores from several different cuttings and brew them all at the same time in the future you can end up with a pretty potent tea, given that you take the time and make a proper tea (18+ hours).
If making a tea I use everything...green flesh, white fiber, and even core if there is room in the pot. No need to even remove the waxy skin or spines when brewing. I just cut it all up into really small chunks and start simmering.
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Quote:
FrenchMachine said:
If eating it I just eat the green flesh. If you go this route make sure to save the white fiber & core in the freezer if you arent going to make a tea for the same time as eating it. If you save up enough white fiber & cores from several different cuttings and brew them all at the same time in the future you can end up with a pretty potent tea, given that you take the time and make a proper tea (18+ hours).
This is a great idea. I like it!
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19065067 - 10/31/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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physicist said: Thanks for the replies. I guess I am jumping the gun by thinking that we could set some sort of standard.
You can set a standard, but only on your own batch. If you make a large enough batch you can test it until you find your dosage sweet spot.
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Re: What is a foot really? [Re: healing]
#19065087 - 10/31/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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True enough. Do you find that clones from a mother column have similar potency?
On another related note, I read in one of these cactus threads that the waxy layer increases nausea. Can anyone confirm this? I would hate to be the one to just eat the the waxy layer to determine this.
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FrenchMachine said: I just measure the full cutting with a measuring tape...2 feet of stressed SP/Achuma is fucking great. 12 inches can still be a very good experience, especially if it's a potent cutting.
If eating it I just eat the green flesh. If you go this route make sure to save the white fiber & core in the freezer if you arent going to make a tea for the same time as eating it. If you save up enough white fiber & cores from several different cuttings and brew them all at the same time in the future you can end up with a pretty potent tea, given that you take the time and make a proper tea (18+ hours).
If making a tea I use everything...green flesh, white fiber, and even core if there is room in the pot. No need to even remove the waxy skin or spines when brewing. I just cut it all up into really small chunks and start simmering.
I like to remove the skin and spines because I like to filter each pull through a single ply of a cotton tshirt, pour the pulp into it, and squeeze, wring all the liquids out. Spines would poke holes in the shirt, and chunks of skin I feel would interfere with the shirt squeezing because it would clog up the surface and stuff, but maybe I'm wrong. I've been told that's the case though.
If you freeze and thaw your cactus pieces a couple times, the skin comes off MUCH MUCH easier.
I usually do 3 pulls, freezing the pulp before each one (especially the first one) make sure to keep it in a container as quite a bit of precious juices is released in the freezing.
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Quote:
nicechrisman said:I like to remove the skin and spines because I like to filter each pull through a single ply of a cotton tshirt, pour the pulp into it, and squeeze, wring all the liquids out. Spines would poke holes in the shirt, and chunks of skin I feel would interfere with the shirt squeezing because it would clog up the surface and stuff, but maybe I'm wrong. I've been told that's the case though.
If you freeze and thaw your cactus pieces a couple times, the skin comes off MUCH MUCH easier.
I usually do 3 pulls, freezing the pulp before each one (especially the first one) make sure to keep it in a container as quite a bit of precious juices is released in the freezing.
Same here...like to freeze/thaw and collect the juice that seeps out during thaws...especially if I'm going to juice the green flesh with lemon juice, water, & cactus juice. Blend it all up in a blender and drink it down. It achieves the same result as eating it but it's easier to get down quicker and the trip comes on faster & the peak is much more intense.
Yeah, 3 pulls is really good to do. Glad to see someone on here is doing it right after reading way too many "San Pedro sucks, I didnt trip because I only spent 20 minutes on the tea" threads over the years. Sometimes I do 4 pulls if I have the time. It's best to keep doing pulls until the water comes up clear. If you have a stove with multiple burners then start doing your reductions on low heat while doing the next pulls. It will save you time in the end.
Also, get yourself a very-fine mesh strainer and then you can keep the skin/spines on. Never had a problem with that when using a fine mesh strainer.
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