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DabShroomin
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Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID
#19059234 - 10/30/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: Found in dead wood chips beneath a small bush. Washington state.
Gills: Pale olive in color. Adnexed, maybe even Emarginate.
Stem: Pale, thin, hollow stem.
Cap: Pale, brown, conical pileus with nipple.
Spore print color: In progress.
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Edited by DabShroomin (10/30/13 11:02 PM)
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19059400 - 10/30/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oooooooo welcome to the shroomery!
let's make small talk until a trusted identifier comes along...
is there any bruising?
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19059406 - 10/30/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They look like P. semilanceata for sure, but the habitat seems off. I see purple brown spores on the one cap, so they're certainly Psilocybes.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19059449 - 10/30/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are confusing. They definitely don't look like normal libs but some features suggest otherwise. The gills are really light for a start, and the stems pretty fat and non-wiry. But then the purple in the second pic and the shape in the last one look right.
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jet li
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19059492 - 10/30/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
DabShroomin said: Habitat: Found in (dead) wood chips
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: jet li]
#19059521 - 10/30/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never seen photos of 100% confirmed P. liniformans var. americana. Could this be a possibility?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19059535 - 10/30/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe they are P. pelliculosa.
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: jet li]
#19060564 - 10/30/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, I wasn't expecting such a quick response. I appreciate it guys. I actually stumbled onto these by accident while searching for Chanterelles. I normally see the liberties on the pastures near my home and not in the woods where I happened to be. Without any of my notes with me I don't trust my amateur eye and I wasn't convinced by them at first and walked on by. After turning it over in my head I decided they were damn close so I went back to harvest. They were near grass, maybe close enough to establish themselves onto roots but the mycelium was definitely consuming the bark. They could have very well been mixed in with another group of LBMs. The mushrooms have flourished this year and there are many different groups fighting for the same territory. The one thing that leads me to believe these are not the ones I'm looking for is a lack of membrane on the pileus. They could just be dry, it hasn't rained for a few days. These have me stumped. The Spore prints are still working. I'll try and bruise one up for you guys.
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19060595 - 10/30/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not sure these are pelliculosa, but I would not rule it out.
You seem to have left the bases intact on the substrate you collected these from. Would you be able to go back and check them for bruising? Unfortunately, the bases show the most reliable bruising in that species. Some won't bruise at all, and some will bruise only there, where the mycellia is white.
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: canid]
#19061603 - 10/31/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try tearing a cap a little then taking off the pellicle.
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: kcrocker802]
#19061741 - 10/31/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We can rule out libs but it does look like an active Psilocybe, and I may be seeing blue on the cap margin and bruising on a couple of stems. Nice first post!
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joie]
#19061768 - 10/31/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think they are liniformans var. americana. I think these are
I think OP's could be silvatica
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19062085 - 10/31/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said: We can rule out libs but it does look like an active Psilocybe, and I may be seeing blue on the cap margin and bruising on a couple of stems. Nice first post!
Why can we rule out libs? They grow on decaying grass roots... small woodchips could suffice as a growing medium, assuming like OP said, there are pastures nearby and the woodchips had grass growing with them etc.
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Joust said: I dont think they are liniformans var. americana. I think these are
I think OP's could be silvatica
Hmmm. I saw that video. But they still have not been confirmed? Why are those NOT cyanofibrillosa? And silvatica? Really? You think that this was a cultivation attempt?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
Edited by Hashfinger (10/31/13 07:33 AM)
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19062113 - 10/31/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said:
Why can we rule out libs? They grow on decaying grass roots... small woodchips could suffice as a growing medium, assuming like OP said, there are pastures nearby and the woodchips had grass growing with them etc.
Very unlikely! They look somewhat chunkier and none has a telltale nipple, just an umbo - an unusual nutrient supply might account for it but to my mind there just aren't enough similarities.
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joie]
#19062126 - 10/31/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said:
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Hashfinger said:
Why can we rule out libs? They grow on decaying grass roots... small woodchips could suffice as a growing medium, assuming like OP said, there are pastures nearby and the woodchips had grass growing with them etc.
Very unlikely! They look somewhat chunkier and none has a telltale nipple, just an umbo - an unusual nutrient supply might account for it but to my mind there just aren't enough similarities.
They're Psilocybes... As far as I have ever known they are HIGHLY likely to blow your mind in the places they will grow. Just because they are most commonly found in open grassy pastures with old dung doesn't mean they won't find a suitable niche and pop off some weird looking fruits. How in the world do you think the genus Psilocybe got to have so many unique species? Things like this probably happen all the time and no one's there to witness and make a collection.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19062131 - 10/31/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So with respect to high theory I will 99.99999999% rule out libs.
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joie]
#19062218 - 10/31/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joie said: So with respect to high theory I will 99.99999999% rule out libs.
So you're telling me there's a chance? Lol . Okay so here's a wild guess. Has anyone considered P. fimetaria? I know they're supposed to have an annulus, but I see pics online where there is just some dark fibres on the stems, and in PIC #1 you can see what is either some sort of veil remnants or spores on the stipe. So .
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19062234 - 10/31/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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P. fimetaria is a dung loving species, and has never been reported from Washington. I even had to kick myself recently for thinking someone had found P. fimetaria in B.C. Canada.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: jet li]
#19062864 - 10/31/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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jet li said: P. fimetaria is a dung loving species, and has never been reported from Washington. I even had to kick myself recently for thinking someone had found P. fimetaria in B.C. Canada.
Yes I know its a dung-loving species, but do you see the darkened zone I speak of? It almost seems too dark to be spores but idk.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19062995 - 10/31/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oooh these are interesting, I'll add another vote against libs. pics of silvatica and pelliculosa look right to me.
you seem to know your stuff, do you access to a microscope?
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