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ShroomForager
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P. cyanescens? (ID Please)
#19060080 - 10/30/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Habitat: Found growing in a group under a small cedar tree in bark, King County WA.
Gills: Very dark gills(Brown/blackish), They look attached,
Stem: 4.5 cm height, 4mm, white, Small white hairs on the stem, solid and fibrous.
Cap: ~2cm (some in the patch were much larger), Brown, staining blue/green on some of them, smooth texture, flat cap and some of them were wavy at the edges Spore print color: Wouldn't leave a spore print... I left it for quite a few hours and there was nothing. They seem to be old/dry (hasn't rained in a while)
Bruising: Bruising blue/green both on the cap and stem, especially towards the very top of the stem.

If these are cyans (I hope ) Is there a proper way to pick them? or just pull them out of the ground? Also, would you recommend drying them?
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They sure seem to be. I can't see the bluing in the picture myself, but if it's there and those gills are not rusty but purple brown then they surely are.
I can see the discoloration which probably is the bluing, it just doesn't come across blue in the picture, likely do to the lighting.
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jet li
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Yeah. They sure did bruise...must've been that cold shock.
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xfsketch
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: jet li]
#19060133 - 10/30/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those r purdy! Nice finds OP!
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: canid]
#19060151 - 10/30/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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do you eat just the cap? stem? whole thing? This is my first find (other than amanita muscaria which I disliked )
Funny story behind this, I looked under a tree (not expecting to find anything) to tell them where some might be, and found a whole cluster.
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xfsketch
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Right on your senses were strong that day lol. My guess u wouldnt get much off two shrooms but i could be wrong. I have no experience with cyans sorry.
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Edited by xfsketch (10/30/13 09:03 PM)
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: xfsketch]
#19060197 - 10/30/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm going back first thing tomorrow to pick the rest. there was probably about 40 there in total!
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xfsketch
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Right on! Cool!
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: xfsketch]
#19060254 - 10/30/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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P. cyanescens is very potent, and couple of them could very well pull you into a new dimension.
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: jet li]
#19060261 - 10/30/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didnt know that.
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ShroomForager said: do you eat just the cap? stem? whole thing?
The whole thing. You would certainly get a nice mellow effect from two to four medium small ones fresh, but you would likely want to let them dry and wait to find more.
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: jet li]
#19060294 - 10/30/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said: P. cyanescens is very potent, and couple of them could very well pull you into a new dimension.
A couple large ones, sure. If those are as small as I think they are -and granted I'm not sure- they would dry up to much less than a gram.
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: canid]
#19060304 - 10/30/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml
a three gram cube trip can be achieved with 2.4 grams of cyans
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (10/30/13 09:20 PM)
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jet li
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Where's allenii?
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: jet li]
#19060394 - 10/30/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since its my first shroom trip :o I'm going to eat the 4 smallish-medium ones I have here. Is that a good dosage for a first trip?
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: jet li]
#19060406 - 10/30/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish it was possible to have gyms on that list but potency varies so much. 10 - 15 g. Gymnopilus sp.
It is usually 1/3 the strength of cubes.
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Ive read the smaller ones usually pack more potency. Am I wrong guys? Due to raining on them and sun drying the active chemicals out.
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Quote:
ShroomForager said: Since its my first shroom trip :o I'm going to eat the 4 smallish-medium ones I have here. Is that a good dosage for a first trip? 
That depends. Will you be just as happy to feel slightly psilly and see colors brighter as you will be get a stronger body effect with some decent visuals?
If you can be just as happy either way, then It will be just fine.
A few people get off real good and strong with light doses, but that's likely to be quite a light one by most standards.
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: xfsketch]
#19060455 - 10/30/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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xfsketch said: Ive read the smaller ones usually pack more potency. Am I wrong guys? Due to raining on them and sun drying the active chemicals out.
There's a bit of contention about why, but that's not likely the reason, or at least not all of it. One theory goes that they stop producing the alkaloids, or stop producing them in as high a quantity per mass gain past a certain point in maturity.
I do remember back in the day getting a nice mellow, but still very nice effect from two of possibly the tiniest baby azures you're ever seen.
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: xfsketch]
#19060465 - 10/30/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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xfsketch said: Ive read the smaller ones usually pack more potency. Am I wrong guys? Due to raining on them and sun drying the active chemicals out.
The weight is all that matters. I guess aborts may be stronger for some odd reason.
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I've heard some mushrooms will grow in the same spot every year. Is this true of cyascens? If so, is there a special way i should harvest them so that they will come back? Is it possible that i could get multiple more harvests out of this same spot this year?
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They will grow in that spot each year until they run out of fresh enough woody debris. This is usually quite a small handful of years.
You could lay fresh chipped wood on that location from time to time to continue feeding this, if you don't mind that that might be considered manufacture.
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MUSH HEAD420
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It depends on how much the conditions suit them, and if the substrate is viable for years to come. I'm guessing chances are high for them returning and flushing. As for promoting growth... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13425527/fpart/1/vc/1
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Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (10/30/13 09:59 PM)
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xfsketch
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Thanx for clearing that up yall! I was unaware of the exact reasonings. I remember reading Amanita pins are stronger then mature adults, Gymnopilus pins as well as cincts. So i figured the best time to pick in hopes to consume would be right after the caps expose the gills. Mainly so the species can sporeulate. Other then that if people are after a buzz and not to fill their stomach. Wouldnt it be better to pick the pins in these species? I had not read about the cyans. Great info though I really appreciate it!
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Re: P. cyanescens? (ID Please) [Re: xfsketch]
#19060660 - 10/30/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Better to pick when the cap is flattened out if it is not getting watter logged every day it sits.
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jet li
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They can also get overrun by other species of mushroom.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Better to pick when the cap is flattened out if it is not getting watter logged every day it sits.
Ok. I was mistaken ty for the info!!!
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MUSH HEAD420 said: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml
a three gram cube trip can be achieved with 2.4 grams of cyans
This seems wrong to me. From what I have read from some maybe more reliable and recent writings than Paul Stamets, cyans are double the potency of average street cubensis.
http://www.fungimag.com/summer-2011-articles/FungiSUM_GenusPsilocybeNA_LR.pdf
This is the main thing I have read to back that claim up. Erowid sucks in terms of its data on mushroom hunting; different species and such. They say Gymnopilus lutofolius is not active (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article9.shtml). The dosage calculator on this website is also in agreement with what I am saying. 0.8-2 grams is plenty of properly dried cyans for most people.
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