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SgtPepperNo9
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Pasty, I didn't see that question in your last post. I answered it in my post above but the Hygrometer is where the humidity numbers are coming from. Sorry I should have said that initially.
I have read lots of posts where people say their RH is good but are basing that on visual cues or something. Maybe they have magic humidity reading eyes?
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aerial myc is fine and the humidity that you should worry about is on the surface of your cake, as the moisture from your mist evaporates it creates 100 percent humidity on the surface of your sub where you could not measure, keep up with you mist/fan and you will be golden
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SgtPepperNo9 said: I have read in a ton of places that aerial myc isn't that big of a deal and usually doesn't effect fruiting.
Depends on why you have aerial mycelium. It can often be a symptom of poor FAE but I doubt that is cause of it in this case. It could be that it needed more than a week to properly consolidate (the suggested week is more of a minimum anyway). That could be why you don't have pins yet, the mycelium is still consolidating. If that's the case, then it will pin when it pins and all you can do is make sure conditions stay good. It will probably be fine.
Edited by Pastywhyte (11/21/13 06:29 PM)
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Re: UPDATE!! [Re: cronicr]
#19171660 - 11/21/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey cronicr thanks for the reassurance.
What you said is what I thought and is the reason I fanned more than I misted. I would mist then fan. Come back 3 hours later and still see moisture so I fanned to promote more evaporation but didn't want to mist and make them wetter.
Do you agree with what others have said to only fan when I mist? People suggest only misting a few times a day so this would cut my fanning back to only 3X to go along with the mist.
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no you can/should fan between mits, cubes are not a fan of stale air
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Pasty!! You are awesome. You have no idea how much I appreciate you following my progress and helping me out.
As much as I feel I am a patient person it still gets tough and I need some other opinions.
I think I am going to add some perlite and decrease the amount I fan. Since I have been researching this area of growing a little more I have read that letting the cakes consolidate longer is a huge plus. A lot of people have said wait till you start to see pinning in the jar. These were strictly 1 week no more, no less.
Its so hard to tell yourself to wait when you want so badly to move on to the next step!
Edited by SgtPepperNo9 (11/21/13 06:36 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: UPDATE!! [Re: cronicr]
#19171722 - 11/21/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: no you can/should fan between mits, cubes are not a fan of stale air
I found that fanning between misting always dried out my cakes, though I don't have the luxury of living on the coast The frozen wasteland I call home is a little less hospitable
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I thought now would be a good time for an update. After some recommendations I went ahead and added the rest of the perlite I had. I'm still probably on the low side but it is around 3.5" now and my analog hygrometer fluctuates from 90-100%. I also adjusted my mist/fan schedule a bit. I started misting very lightly around 3 times a day trying to hit it around 5-6 hours apart if I could. I haven't fanned as much but will occasionally fan in between if I feel it is needed. I more or less just check them out and if they don't look moist I mist barely, if they still look moist I fan a bit. My humidity also improves if I turn the perlite and mist a little as I turn it. A benefit of having a 75% empty FC is I can do this without touching the cakes.
Anyway lets get to some pics. This cake is looking great. I noticed a lot of little knots about 4 days ago (will post pics eventually) and 2 days ago noticed some pins.

This cluster was the first set of small knots to appear. It initially was around 1mm I would say?

Moving around the cake.

Lots of knots showed up in the bottom area of this pic. Some pinning now. The pins on top have grown in size the fastest. Im guessing maybe I couldn't see them below the verm.


Some peeking out from the bottom.

Here is the other cake. Still has this aerial myc and no signs of knots/pins/whatever. It keeps looking really dry on 1 side but I think that is the myc fooling me.


What do you guys think?
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I think they look fuckin' A man! Good job!
What happened to the two cakes that smelled a little off?...the ones you put in the smaller FC? Did you toss'em or let them go?
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Re: Update 11/27 PINS! [Re: 1down5up]
#19204067 - 11/29/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks man!
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1down5up said: What happened to the two cakes that smelled a little off?...the ones you put in the smaller FC? Did you toss'em or let them go?
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Those are still in the smaller FC. Disaster struck last night when my stupid cat managed to pull down a lamp which in turn knocked over the small FC. I cleaned everything up and it all looks ok but now these cakes have a couple of things going against them. I noticed they won't smell when I open it up but when I mist the smell is back. They haven't had any obvious contams other than the weird smell so I will let them be and see what happens.
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Pastywhyte
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Probably just a little bacteria. Just keep doing what your doing and it will probably work out. You won't see as many flushes with bacteria contamed cakes but you should still see some fruits. Your other cakes look like they are going good BTW
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Re: Update 11/30 more pics. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19208514 - 11/30/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey everybody. Just another update. The one that was growing fastest on top seems to have already broken its veil. Will this be an abort that turns black or keep growing? Either way I will wait and see, just curious.
I also have some jars with pins forming through the verm layer. They are still consolidating and just started that step 2 days ago. I will have to post pics of those later...
These are all of the same cake that seems to be doing well. The other is still just sitting there. Everything looks healthy and the myc on the bottom keeps growing out so I will just wait it out. I figure if the climate is good for this cake it should be fine for the other.



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Pastywhyte
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Looks dry, which is a contributing factor to the broken veil and aborts. Might want to up your misting schedule and check your perlite to be sure its still moist. Nice pinset tho.
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Re: Update 11/30 more pics. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19208634 - 11/30/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. I finally have a day off so I will try and mist a little extra today. That would also explain the aerial myc on the other wouldn't it? The cake is dry so the myc is reaching out for more water. No pinset because there isn't enough water evaporating off.
I keep reading things about how suddenly overnight they will double in size and be ready to pick. So far it is slow but i notice a little growth everyday so im happy with that.
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Aerial mycelium is usually an indication of insufficient FAE, thought I don't really see that on your cakes. I may have asked already but do you have holes in the bottom? No holes in the bottom will prevent the perlite from properly humidifying the chamber and also contribute to poor FAE. If you have holes in the bottom then I would first place the SGFC in the tub (remove the cakes first) and run the shower over it to get everything wet again. Rake the perlite up with your fingers to get it loose, and then up your mist/fan schedule.
Is your area dry? Mine is and I use 5" of perlite minimum for my SGFC or else it dries out way too soon. Make sure you don't have fans going, they will also dry it out. Those mushies are definitely parched. When you remove the cakes to re hydrate the perlite, note the weight. If they feel light, consider placing them in a saucer of water while in the chamber to hydrate the cakes.
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Re: Update 11/30 more pics. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19208679 - 11/30/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I try and turn the perlite every 2-3 days. Since there are only 2 cakes in this big FC I have 75% of the perlite showing that i can mist and turn. The RH always stays good. I built it with holes on the top, bottom and sides. Followed the typical SGFC tek.
It could be a little more dry in the room though. I have had to start running the heater in the house now that it is cold outside. I have a humidifier that I run in the room occasionally. Not pointing at the SGFC. Its in there really for me.
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Re: Update 11/30 more pics. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19208690 - 11/30/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 looking good
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Pastywhyte
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SgtPepperNo9 said: It was built to spec. It has 3" of perlite in there.
Here is a possible problem. Sounds like you deal with similar conditions that I do, cold climate, running furnace, dry house. I use 5"-6" in the winter. Just turning the perlite is not going to help much. Take that perlite and run the shower over it. Get it good and soaked. I strongly recommend getting another 2" of perlite in there. 3" is fine for people who live in Florida or Vancouver or on the coasts. Not for people in the north or dry ass prairies who run a furnace all day to deal with cold muthafuckin climates.
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SgtPepperNo9 said: The RH always stays good.
Maybe your hygrometer says its good, your fruits tell me otherwise.
Get the extra perlite, soak the hell outta it, and up your mist/fan schedule. Do it now. All those fruits you have are on the verge of aborting. Only having 2 cakes in a large chamber is not helping either. The cakes and fruits contribute to the overall RH. With only a few cakes you need to really make sure everything is working optimal.
Sorry if I seem harsh, but I have been in your position before. Shit that works fine for people in some parts of the planet, is utter disaster in my neck of the woods.
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Re: Update 11/30 more pics. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19209199 - 11/30/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will just have to up my mist/fan schedule until I get more perlite. As I said in another post I added the rest of this giant bag of perlite I had. It wasn't cheap and took a ton of time to sift out the dust. I will try and get more though.
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Sorry if I seem harsh, but I have been in your position before. Shit that works fine for people in some parts of the planet, is utter disaster in my neck of the woods.
You don't sound harsh. Just constructive criticism which I can appreciate.
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Re: Update 12/1 and harvesting question [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
#19213192 - 12/01/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok so last night and today they have grown quite a bit. I originally though these where PE based on what I labeled my jar but it could have gotten mixed up. Because of that, I was looking for wrinkling around the stem just below the cap and darkening of the gills to be my signs for when to harvest.
However, now that they are getting bigger they are looking like just the standard cube not PE. Whatever they are isn't a big deal to me so strain aside do you guys/gals think I should just harvest these after the veil breaks? The gills were already showing on the caps on top but they remain white. The reason I ask is there is 1 that has obviously broken its veil.
Judging by where the rest are I think I should let them all sit another 1-2 days and get bigger.
Here are some pics. I just misted before all of these.



Veil breaking to the left.

It was hard to see in some but a lot have the veils intact with the caps still closed around the stem. For ex in pic 1 the shroom at the bottom has veil and the one off to the right is the one with it broken.
Here are some of the other cakes in case anyone was wondering.
This is in the same FC as the cake above. It has what I have been referring to as aerial myc. Not sure what is going on with this one. The myc appears white and healthy.
 (Sorry for the blurry pic)

Here is 1 of the 2 smelly cakes that are isolated in another FC. It actually has some strange pins/knots on top.
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