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OfflineJesus Cristo
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Do trips get increasingly harder for you?
    #19059073 - 10/30/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i dont mean to start another thread but i want to ask this before i forget

i was just wondering since personally it seems like every trip i take gets increasingly harder, or just more intense when taking the average dose.  Lower doses don't affect me as much as they used to since they don't really surprise me anymore, but when taking at least an average dose it seems like the trip takes an intensity that is more powerful (or at least one that involves a conglomeration of past-trip experiences and motifs) than it should be. if i'm by myself it's usually always a straight self-critical/spiritual/chaotic trip

visuals from different psychedelics also seems to show up in other psychedelics that had never given me those visuals before.

i've done a lot of intentional, deep exploration into my problems while on heavy doses a while ago, and after having done so these same thought processes pop up in doses that wouldn't have phased me before. now when i plan to trip by myself i know it's going to be a deep journey, and that'll happen whenever i trip. i want to experience a completely novel and amazing trip that's about the drug more so than about me if that makes sense.

just curious if this is normal.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19059278 - 10/30/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

coming from 14 years of experience, maybe you had too much too fast. take a break man. like 6 months to a year. as the world turns things in your life will change, your perceptions of your life and the world around you will change, and hopefully you will have overcome some of the darker issues that are waiting in your subconscious.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19059296 - 10/30/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe your just better at letting go now that you have had some practice


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19059367 - 10/30/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i dont mean to start another thread




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No, trips don't get harder (and I'm somewhere over a thousand total now).  They get increasingly better.  Go figure. :lol::thumbup:

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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19059564 - 10/30/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Personally they do. I think part of it has to do with the fact that my attitude towards it changed. When it was new i didn't know what to expect so i would just sit there and wait until i was floored by wonderful visuals and awesome thoughts. Now that i have a few nightmare trips under my belt because of circumstantial situations I find that i tend to be more nervous when approaching a trip and as a result it sometimes takes a little effort to get back on track


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19059715 - 10/30/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I find that it takes more and I have to take a break from it to be effective. Like a long break. Shrooms are kinda self-limiting like that.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19059839 - 10/30/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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i dont mean to start another thread




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No, trips don't get harder (and I'm somewhere over a thousand total now).  They get increasingly better.  Go figure. :lol::thumbup:

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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060246 - 10/30/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes you reach a point with a psychedelic where it is no longer needed because you have learned what you needed to. Although maybe down the road it will benefit you but if you are doing it to just do it you might not find anything new. The best thing to do is to take the good knowledge you have learned and apply it in your daily life. Terence Mckenna even reached a point where he no longer took mushrooms because the experience no longer held any sort of meaning.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060262 - 10/30/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
Sometimes you reach a point with a psychedelic where it is no longer needed because you have learned what you needed to. Although maybe down the road it will benefit you but if you are doing it to just do it you might not find anything new. The best thing to do is to take the good knowledge you have learned and apply it in your daily life. Terence Mckenna even reached a point where he no longer took mushrooms because the experience no longer held any sort of meaning.



I bet he still smoked dmt


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060360 - 10/30/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh definitely, I think he did. In one of Dennis Mckenna's books he talks about Terence taking mushrooms and Terence freaked out because he said there was no meaning and he never took mushrooms after that. I think Terence was a good friend of Sasha Shulgin and started to delve more into Sasha's endeavors after that happened, although, Terence said on numerous occasions he favored natural chemicals over synthetic ones and even advise against taking synthetics. I think Terence got more into synthetics after the sacred mushrooms lost their magic. The synthetics I know he did were LSD,DMT, and Ketamine. I am sure he did Shulgins too though.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060374 - 10/30/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

DMT doesnt need to be synthed, just extracted, its 100% natural


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060441 - 10/30/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ayahuasca is a purely natural occurrence of DMT. DMT can in fact be synthesized and make a powder but more than often it is extracted from plant materials. I am guessing what Terence smoked was a synthesized form of DMT because of how he describes the trip. It sounds like he smoked very pure powder.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060543 - 10/30/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you smoked dmt before? Because extracted or ynthed pure powder wouldnt make a difference


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060674 - 10/30/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It would though because extraction leaves behind chemicals other than DMT. While it isn't bad to smoke extraction it isn't as strong. Synthesis almost guarantees 100 percent purity unless the person doesn't know what they are doing. I haven't smoked it but have been around a handful of people that have.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060675 - 10/30/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea purity doesnt really matter just take a fat hit and ride the wave


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060691 - 10/30/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that is true. I have noticed the people who smoke it out of the pipe don't go very far and the people who smoke it out of a bong get their world rocked. I have had chances to try it but I guess the time just wasn't right for me to accept the hit. From my observation smoking it through a pipe is a waste of the experience. It seems like a light shroom experience if you do it that way.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060698 - 10/30/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just depends on how big of a hit you take brother

I broke through with a pipe a few days ago, I have 1:1 changa and sprinkled some freebase on it and mixed it up and it wasnt even a big bowl and a friend and i both went DEEP lol


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060740 - 10/30/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm. What I wonder about DMT is if it is like salvia where the more you do it the more you can grasp what is happening. I have also read DMT is like the craziest psychedelic experience but you realize who you are no matter how deep you go and it is a feeling of actually being there which I find intriguing. I also think Ayahuasca is the complete embodiment of what it truly is. I am a artist and firmly believe psychedelics will help  your creativity. Not by seeing things but by mentally thinking through the techniques you use and making them look like dirt. I have definitely had that happen before.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: mindgnome]
    #19060802 - 10/30/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmm. What I wonder about DMT is if it is like salvia where the more you do it the more you can grasp what is happening. I have also read DMT is like the craziest psychedelic experience but you realize who you are no matter how deep you go and it is a feeling of actually being there which I find intriguing. I also think Ayahuasca is the complete embodiment of what it truly is. I am a artist and firmly believe psychedelics will help  your creativity. Not by seeing things but by mentally thinking through the techniques you use and making them look like dirt. I have definitely had that happen before.




You literally go into another dimension I believe its the fifth(5D) where you are energy pretty much.
Just make sure you take a big enough hit, lower doses can be weird and misleading, you will know 100% without a doubt once you break through. and yes you are 100% conscious and aware of what is going on

You seem like a good candidate to experience it, you seem ready.


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Re: Do trips get increasingly harder for you? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19060918 - 10/30/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha yeah definitely I smoke cigarettes and want to stop doing that before I smoke it though so I can feel good about myself. I love reading about psychedelics but when I do them it isn't something that is on a whim I always plan it out and think about what I truly want out of the experience before I dive in....Though I have done psychedelics on a whim and have still learned things from it.


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