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TheGreenBox


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This cake is...different. Explanation?!
#19058701 - 10/30/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey all,
I have this one cake (BRF cake, Amazon cubes) that is much different from the others. First, it took about a week or so longer than the others to start pinning. It has a large amount of mycelium knotting (I think?) compared to the others as well. Suddenly it had a large flush (maybe 5 times as many fruits as the others), of which half I've harvested. The weird thing is, the fruits are like hollow and thin walled (see pic). Also, the caps are significantly lighter brown than the caps of all other fruits I've had (see pic). Is this good, bad, or neutral? Any thoughts or explanation? Safe to eat? Should I clone?!
Here is what the hollowness looks like. You can see that it is split. Excuse the heavy bruising.

Note the colour difference:
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Edited by TheGreenBox (10/30/13 04:49 PM)
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058722 - 10/30/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ms inocs can and will provide every wide aspect of shrooms genetics is my understanding
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: Rubestoad]
#19058750 - 10/30/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are thinking it is MS and not pure? Despite the trusted source claiming it to be Amazon strain?
It seems to be the only logical explanation as to why they are so different...
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058760 - 10/30/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That bottom cake with the small lighter caps looks fucked. Like heavy contamination.
Shrooms look like they are trying to finish and sporulate before the mold takes over.
Most shrooms have hollow stems.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058780 - 10/30/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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all spore syringes are multi-spore by nature, it's not a purity issue. the genetics of the spores the dominated that cake was different than your other cakes, it's not good or bad, just how it goes with syringe grows. And it could also be a contaminated cake.............
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058787 - 10/30/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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he means you started with a MultiSpore inoculation and not a wedge of isolated genetics from an agar plate. MS inoculations contain a ton of different genetics, which is why you are seeing variance in your fruit bodies that came from the same syringe.
if you like the way those are fruiting clone em and make more of em! if not eat em and look for a better candidate.
p.s. like these other guys are saying it does look like you got some bubbly lookin white myc on top of that cake, so be on the lookout for a green explosion
Edited by PirateSwazey (10/30/13 05:20 PM)
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19058800 - 10/30/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd get that cake out ASAP! its FUCKED
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19058813 - 10/30/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ohhh I see. Misunderstood what exactly MS is - thanks for clearing up.
Yeah I suspected the cake is fucked. How will I know for sure if it is contaminated? No weird smells or anything. Should I post more pics of it?
Thanks guys.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058835 - 10/30/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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better pics could help get opinions on contam question, probably best to isolate it now as a precaution. Good luck!
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058842 - 10/30/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It will probably be full green in a day or 2. looks like its already starting when I zoom the picture.
A sudden flush with tons of pins that finish quick is a good indicator of bacterial contamination.
Cover with a ziplock so you don't spread spores when pulling out the cake.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19058856 - 10/30/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, Pin heads get lighter as they finish up and turn into caps.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19058866 - 10/30/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot! Should I just keep the ones I've harvested, or toss em? No mold or anything on them and they smell fine...
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19058868 - 10/30/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheGreenBox said: Thanks a lot! Should I just keep the ones I've harvested, or toss em? No mold or anything on them and they smell fine...
they're ok to eat
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19058879 - 10/30/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: That bottom cake with the small lighter caps looks fucked. Like heavy contamination.
Shrooms look like they are trying to finish and sporulate before the mold takes over.
Most shrooms have hollow stems.
That jumped out at me as soon as I saw this pic - that bottom cake is about to turn into the green monster. Get that thing outta your grow area before it sporulates, that's covered in mold myc 
just from personal experience, the fruits I get from a contaminated substrate are usually kinda flimsy and have hollowed stems, so that might be what happened here.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19059093 - 10/30/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fruits get hollow because of cellular expansion, they basicly pump their cells full of water which is y they grow much faster then colonizing myc which grows through cell division like you and i
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19059146 - 10/30/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That bottom cake has trichoderma before it turns green. Get it out NOW before it starts spreading millions of spores in your grow area. The reason it flushed so fast was mycelium has a panic mode where it tries to reproduce right before it is obliterated. When the trich started, the mycelium immediately started trying to get spores out ASAP.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: 2bittoker]
#19059161 - 10/30/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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2bittoker said: That bottom cake has trichoderma before it turns green.
You do not know this for sure....
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: PussyFart]
#19060516 - 10/30/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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2bittoker said: That bottom cake has trichoderma before it turns green.
You do not know this for sure....
Not 100% but Im at least 90% sure. Ive made it a point to be able to tell white Trich from mushroom mycelium so I can get cakes out of my chamber before they start sporing everywhere because my grow area is also my inoculation area. To me its not worth it to even take a chance
He has thick, bubbly, off-colored white mycelium on the top of that cake. The edges of it are taking a greenish-hue. He had a sudden flush off-timed with the rest of the batch. Now all of these things on there own arent suggestive of only a trich infection.
Also the bottom of his shrooms are greenish. Ive noticed sometimes my shrooms will show signs of infection first when the trich colony starts deeper in the cake.
To me, its not worth a chance. Toss it. At the very least, isolate it in a small scale SGFC till you know 100%
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: 2bittoker]
#19060551 - 10/30/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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2bittoker said: He has thick, bubbly, off-colored white mycelium on the top of that cake.
Ok....
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2bittoker said: The edges of it are taking a greenish-hue.
Not on my screen....
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2bittoker said: He had a sudden flush off-timed with the rest of the batch.
Sounds typical of random MS genetics to me.
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2bittoker said: Also the bottom of his shrooms are greenish.
That is bruising, not a contam.
Not trying to be a dick, just being realistic.
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Re: This cake is...different. Explanation?! [Re: PussyFart]
#19060956 - 10/30/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you all. Sorry, I'm not so good at identifying contams during this stage yet.
Here are some more pics. That one big blue spot looks worse in the pics than it actually is. Just where I picked a bunch of them.
What do you think?


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