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The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread * 3
    #19058406 - 10/30/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Post why you think grow kits suck. Feel free to say whatever.

Go ahead and repeat what others have already said.

Just give your honest opinion.

The point is to drive home the idea that doing it yourself is better.

Whenever someone asks about grow kits, I will just post a link to this thread.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi] * 6
    #19058511 - 10/30/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: JMcDoogle] * 1
    #19058523 - 10/30/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: good idea

With grow kits you have no way of what you are really getting and if it will work. It's a waste of money. Use time tested methods advocated on this website instead


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Stromrider] * 4
    #19058652 - 10/30/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits turn you gay


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: eLeSDenes] * 1
    #19058848 - 10/30/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's kind of like if Heisenberg were to pay Jesse a shitload of money to cook for him. Why would you pay someone else to do something that you can do better, and for a lot less money?

Or maybe like an OCD person paying a cleaning lady to sanitize their house, and then leaving while the cleaning lady works.  Why would you pay someone to do something that you can do better, and for a lot less money, especially when you have no way of knowing if they did the job the right way until your money is already spent?


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bulkgrownoob] * 1
    #19058885 - 10/30/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if you buy a grow kit basically you spend $50  for a plastic box filled with some fuckin seeds and some dirt. :laugh:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: eLeSDenes] * 1
    #19058892 - 10/30/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you run in to problems, it's hard to get help because very few people use them.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #19058925 - 10/30/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i see no good that comes from em......
its impossible, to package skill.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium] * 2
    #19059068 - 10/30/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At least you know who to blame when you do shit yourself, great thread


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium] * 1
    #19059074 - 10/30/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's impossible to design a grow kit that would work fine.
As an example a small SGFC for about 4 cakes, delivered with perlite, verm and 4 fully colonized cakes.
Just following the PF-tek, that would make a more expensive kit than the standard kits, but after buying it the first time, refill kits can be offered of one bag of perlite, some verm and 4 new cakes.
That would ask more work from the sellers, but would give a product that would live up to expectations.

The reason the kits do not work is not that it isn't possible, but the fact they want to sell very cheap solutions for as much money as they can. A really good kit won't make that much money, as most fair products.
In the end, I bet they would pay off, because how many time would someone buy a kit that promises a lot more than it gives.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: monoculture] * 3
    #19059147 - 10/30/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the worst thing about kits is,
they promote a low standard,
and dont educate really....

we see peeps daily almost here,
that essentially say ..............

" um i got a kit, and its stupid, um, how do i grow em for real now"

ironically, 50$ spent on a kit,
magically makes em smart enough to ask us ,
how to REALLY grow em!

so in a way, kits might be helpful.
NOT.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: monoculture] * 1
    #19059435 - 10/30/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You dont know what your jars or bags are going to be made of.

i got one set of jars from a non-sponsor, no idea what the hell they used... but it definitly came in pint jars, with perlite in it...


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blojo02184] * 2
    #19059594 - 10/30/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had a grow kit all picked out and I thought "I'll try it before I spend that money and see if I like it, then buy the kit."  Yeah....I'm not gonna buy the kit, lmao.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blojo02184] * 1
    #19059653 - 10/30/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Okay so i saw this thread and instantly started laughing, it really was perfect timing:elmo:...Im going to admit to everyone im new to growing and actually purchased a grow kit from Midwest grow kits which arrive last monday( 10/21/2013, and i completely regret it :boo:

Once i finally opened the box i realized what i payed $100 for would only cost me around $40, and that i probably could have just ran to Walmart,pulled out the website on my phone and built the damn thing myself....I am not saying the quality of the kit is bad,or that the company themselves are bad, im just saying its very basic and definitely not worth the price

Ill end off on a good note though, Midwest's pre sterilized jars are fantastic however, and for a first time grow im showing some pretty promising signs of inoculation and no contamination ( knock on wood:blush:) So for all you noobs like me out there....DONT BUY THE KIT PURELY FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT....take it from a someone who learned it the hard way and just pull up a TEK from this site



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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Andrew9115] * 1
    #19059663 - 10/30/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay so i saw this thread and instantly started laughing, it really was perfect timing:elmo:...Im going to admit to everyone im new to growing and actually purchased a grow kit from Midwest grow kits which arrive last monday( 10/21/2013, and i completely regret it :boo:

Once i finally opened the box i realized what i payed $100 for would only cost me around $40, and that i probably could have just ran to Walmart,pulled out the website on my phone and built the damn thing myself....I am not saying the quality of the kit is bad,or that the company themselves are bad, im just saying its very basic and definitely not worth the price

Ill end off on a good note though, Midwest's pre sterilized jars are fantastic however, and for a first time grow im showing some pretty promising signs of inoculation and no contamination ( knock on wood:blush:) So for all you noobs like me out there....DONT BUY THE KIT PURELY FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT....take it from a someone who learned it the hard way and just pull up a TEK from this site



Cheers!



^I was going to buy the $99 one.....sooo glad I didn't!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SizlChest] * 1
    #19059789 - 10/30/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SizlChest said:
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Andrew9115 said:
Okay so i saw this thread and instantly started laughing, it really was perfect timing:elmo:...Im going to admit to everyone im new to growing and actually purchased a grow kit from Midwest grow kits which arrive last monday( 10/21/2013, and i completely regret it :boo:

Once i finally opened the box i realized what i payed $100 for would only cost me around $40, and that i probably could have just ran to Walmart,pulled out the website on my phone and built the damn thing myself....I am not saying the quality of the kit is bad,or that the company themselves are bad, im just saying its very basic and definitely not worth the price

Ill end off on a good note though, Midwest's pre sterilized jars are fantastic however, and for a first time grow im showing some pretty promising signs of inoculation and no contamination ( knock on wood:blush:) So for all you noobs like me out there....DONT BUY THE KIT PURELY FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT....take it from a someone who learned it the hard way and just pull up a TEK from this site



Cheers!



^I was going to buy the $99 one.....sooo glad I didn't!




Good sir please do not! If anything buy the pre sterilized substrate jars but that's about it


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Andrew9115] * 3
    #19060020 - 10/30/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just scored a grow-kit...



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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: monoculture] * 1
    #19060213 - 10/30/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think it's impossible to design a grow kit that would work fine.
As an example a smallhi SGFC for about 4 cakes, delivered with perlite, verm and 4 fully colonized cakes.
Just following the PF-tek, that would make a more expensive kit than the standard kits, but after buying it the first time, refill kits can be offered of one bag of perlite, some verm and 4 new cakes.
That would ask more work from the sellers, but would give a product that would live up to expectations.

The reason the kits do not work is not that it isn't possible, but the fact they want to sell very cheap solutions for as much money as they can. A really good kit won't make that much money, as most fair products.
In the end, I bet they would pay off, because how many time would someone buy a kit that promises a lot more than it gives.




Just throwing it out there you can't sell colonized jars legally..


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: firstTimer213] * 2
    #19060750 - 10/30/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what i hate about them most, is seeing threads about them.  even if they turned out successful, i have no interest in seeing someones mushrooms that they got from getting some premade shit and watering it or whatever the hell you do. 

i like to see people learn some shit.  put in an effort.  i have a hard enough time stumbling upon PF Tek after PF tek threads.  so you can only imagine my distaste for Kits.  save your money!  invest in a PC, some jars, and so on.  its just too worth it.  like NAH420's sig says, "THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!"


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: DeadPhan] * 1
    #19060997 - 10/30/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like if you're buying a grow kit you're most likely just in it for the drugs. It just shows that you're looking for immediate results and you're not willing to take the time to learn.

I remember, a couple years back, some of my friends buying spawn bags and inoculating them with ms. No one got any shrooms out of the whole ordeal. One dumb shit even opened the bag before it was fully colonized.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Novanity1]
    #19061199 - 10/30/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I feel like if you're buying a grow kit you're most likely just in it for the drugs. It just shows that you're looking for immediate results and you're not willing to take the time to learn.

I remember, a couple years back, some of my friends buying spawn bags and inoculating them with ms. No one got any shrooms out of the whole ordeal. One dumb shit even opened the bag before it was fully colonized.



EXACTLY.  When I started a few months ago, some of my friends who liked to do mushrooms decided they wanted to do it as well.  I pointed them to the shroomery and told them to start researching. 

Now I have always had a geek fascination for science and scientific methods so learning mycology was really fun for me.  And I learn really cool stuff everyday Im on here still.  But of course they wanted shrooms.  They looked for about a half day at posts on the shroomery, mostly drooling at large flushes and started googling kits.  They essentially got bored with all the reading.

I went out and did a BRF grow.  Went out, got all the materials and ordered..."Edible Gourmet"...syringes. Set up a glove box, and followed the PF Tek step by step.  Their kit came in, which was essentially a poor mans pod and 6 pre-sterilized jars with what looked like Gypsm in it.  They followed the instructions on the kit and bought a syringe off of me.  They also did an open air inoculation because the instructions said the injection port was "self-filtering and healing".  They did flame the needle, to their credit. 

Anywho their instructions told them to start up what was essentially a PMP and use it as an incubator, water and all, and use the included aquarium heater.  I warned against this several times, but they insisted the instructions had to be right.  Well, my jars colonized and fruited in my homemade PMP and produced a huge first flush.  Meanwhile, their jars, which were smaller than mine were stuck at 50% colonization.  They eventually moved them to a dry drawer and at that point all the contams that had been brewing took hold.  Lipstick mold, cobweb mold AND trich.  They ended up giving up and called me an "idiot" for pursuing something that could "Fail" so much. 

I am now 15-0 without a single batch or jar becoming infected by following the PF tek to the letter and using a glovebox.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19061250 - 10/31/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits.suck because
You dont know whats in them.
You dont know how it was made
You dont know if its made properly.
You dont learn anything.
They rarely are efficent.
You waste money.
You waste money.
You waste your money!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19061303 - 10/31/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They provide a shitty microclimate for the mushrooms.

It's fun doing it yourself!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19061306 - 10/31/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).

Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19061340 - 10/31/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The instructions could usually be written better by noobs after only a day of research on these forums.

That says a lot....


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19061523 - 10/31/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).

Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.




Right? not sure if you saw my comment in this thread about my midwest kit but at the end i realized the exact same, the only valuable thing in this kit was the pre steralized jars...


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Andrew9115]
    #19061531 - 10/31/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Right? not sure if you saw my comment in this thread about my midwest kit but at the end i realized the exact same, the only valuable thing in this kit was the pre steralized jars...




Which can be made for cheap money.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: PussyFart]
    #19061557 - 10/31/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
The instructions could usually be written better by noobs after only a day of research on these forums.

That says a lot....



QFT
The kit i bought years ago didnt even have instructions.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pestile]
    #19061559 - 10/31/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Which can be made for cheap money.




Made 20 jars, sterilized and inoculated last week:thumbup: just took $100 to learn my lesson haha


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19063130 - 10/31/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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2bittoker said:


Now I have always had a geek fascination for science and scientific methods so learning mycology was really fun for me.





I don't even like tripping anymore yet I still grow. I'm just fascinated by fungi I guess lol :biggrin:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Novanity1]
    #19063208 - 10/31/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i recently orderd a grow kit and i recieved it and then i realized fuck i spent 200$ on shit i could have bought at homedepot and petsmart for like 50$ but i learned my lesson


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19063231 - 10/31/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).

Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.





man i had the same problem with midwest's jars they colonize so slow and ive come to realize the jars are probably older than mother natures twat.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: commradecrack]
    #19063276 - 10/31/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd trust a Nigerian Prince to send me money before I'd trust a growkit


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19063511 - 10/31/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

my understanding was,
grow kit exports, were a major part of the nigerian GNP.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19063936 - 10/31/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is awesome. It's exactly what I intended. Thanks so much to everyone. It would be great if it was replied to every day or so, that way it's frequently seen.

With grow kits, if something goes wrong, it's a lot of money down the drain and you basically get 1 shot at it.

If you're lucky, you are left with stuff you could have spent $10-$50 on.

In the end, you still end up coming on shroomery asking how to do it right. Then, when you mess up, you don't have to spend any more money to try again, except maybe spores.

For any noobs who have read this far, I hope you are getting the message, "Grow Kits Suck".

It don't matter which one you are interested in, it sucks. If you don't believe what you've read so far, keep reading.

A link to this thread is being posted in your thread for a reason. If you go ahead and buy a grow kit anyway, then come back on the forums asking for help, I will flame you harshly for being a dumb-ass.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19064088 - 10/31/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my understanding was,
grow kit exports, were a major part of the nigerian GNP.



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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19064217 - 10/31/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i have found this thread to be most informative,
and, also encourage everyone to link to it in the future,
when grow kits are discussed.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19064518 - 10/31/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

kit substrate jars= NO GROWTH
BRF + Vermiculite Jars made by doing it yourself= GROWTH
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: OUboundMycologist]
    #19064543 - 10/31/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i might add, kits are blasphemy to the community.
insulting both sincere noobs, and pros alike.


" grow kits, are more unpopular than annie"

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19064567 - 10/31/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i might add, kits are blasphemy to the community.
insulting both sincere noobs, and pros alike.


" grow kits, are more unpopular than annie"

now thats sayin something.............



At least kits have a chance of offering something....below the belt?
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19064604 - 10/31/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ill let it slide.

we all agree , kits are the number one menace to the community.
its alleged im number 2 menace, but kits are far more dangerous...


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19064856 - 10/31/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
i agree it's a waste of money, Educate yourself and do it yourself!:wink:


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    #19064965 - 10/31/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19065449 - 10/31/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because what can go wrong will go wrong... just like ordering a grow kit....you went wrong. :strokebeard2:


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    #19065903 - 10/31/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea yea sorry bro. Do not fall for what seems to be the easy way out it's not worth the waste of time and money. Enjoy!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: spaceman101]
    #19066311 - 10/31/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I bought a grow kit in 1978 where all you had to do was turn a little plastic cup on top of a plastic bin about 12" in dia., shake it up, and wait about 15 days and your fully matured mushrooms were ready for picking.

This was about as easy as pie. I saw houses breathing, walls collapsing, everything!

Then the law changed. We went into the Head Shop to buy another and the owner said that the laws had changed and he couldn't sell them anymore.

We were bummed as bummed could be. High school was not the time to be growing in the 'rents house and we had no idea what exactly we were doing anyway.

That's when my Mom told me that I couldn't have a quadruple beam scale sitting on my dresser.

We just shrugged our shoulders and thought we could grow after leaving the 'rents house. One of our roomies told us that we were all responsible if we got caught so we got shut down again.

I took a good 30 year break, and now is the time to crank it back up.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19079464 - 11/03/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hate the :cuteshit:out of em because i got ripped off on one for $145 and their "trusted" partner site sold me mold water in dirty aids covered syringes.  They probably had aids anyway.  anorher reason i hate them is they are full of misinformation and the information they do give was stolen from someone else.  bullshit, is pretty much what you are buying.  One big slap in the face.  they even then tell you to keep the jars at 85f in the sealed blacked out incubator, like anything but mold will grow.  literally $40 in equipment for $145.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19079492 - 11/03/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I first started I really wanted to try a kit. I was pretty wary of ordering them from a website, so I was wanting one of the local headshops to order me one. Cost would have been $200 (but I thought it might be worth it). Long story short, the burnouts that worked there kept forgetting to order the kit, so I started to do some reading here. After a few months of lurking, I got my first pf grow off the ground and haven't looked back. Bunch of burnout stoners (that's rich coming from me :lol:) saved me from an expensive mistake :super:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19079571 - 11/03/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey bootster how much did you have to pay for a kit in 78? J/W it sounds way different from anything I've heard before.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: spaceman101]
    #19080893 - 11/03/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

kits varied in price in 1978.
around 20-30 $

we had a swiped oss and oeric -0$-
a swiped PC -0$-
and spore that cost 19.95 in a print , mail order swiped.

this was 1977 though,
and it was a good cooker, i had my own jars,
he got the book off a girl he knew for free.....

so in 1977-1978 , it was possible to grow for real, on a 50$ bill.
everything else was laying around college dorms, just wear a tube top,
and, send everyone on a scavenger hunt.

there was only a few strains available from a few places also.
it was about spore prints back then, and 1/2 or 1/4 prints.

i have seen kits peeps trotted out for me to see over the yrs.
its always shit wrapped plastic and a hopeful prayer on page basically.

ill offer em 10$ for the spores , tell em to trash the kit,
and, call me more often..........

we need a catch phrase here, like
" friends, dont let friends , buy grow kits"
or " just say No kits"
or " this is your wallet on kits"

the concept, of peeps selling shit bags , and invisible seeds,
in a gift wrapped box 29.95,
smacks of "jack in the bean stalk" anywhere else.....


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bootster]
    #19085548 - 11/04/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Kits are appealing to people now for the same reason they were in '78. The thought of having everything you need from one purchase can be hard to resist.

But, we did not have the wealth of information in '78 that we do now. Back then, it was harder to get good info.

The sword cuts both ways. The internet has provided a great resource of info, but people are still lazy, confused, not confident, stupid, or just otherwise inpatient. The internet is also an opportunity for the disreputable to prey on these people.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19085660 - 11/04/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own


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    #19122679 - 11/11/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

sytar said:
I bought from midwest because I didn't want to go around town assembling the materials and figured it was a laziness tax. I soon realized that the incubation chamber was completely unnecessary. After I fruited, I realized the terrible chamber they gave me was starving my cakes of FAE because the mycelium was getting fluffy. I wanted an automated FC and had an air pump so I started investigating automated FCs. Soon realized PMPs were oudated, made a SGFC. At that point I realized that the only part of the kit I used were the presterilzed jars of substrate (which colonized agonizingly slow).

Only slightly regret buying the kit. Gave me the confidence to get started and figure out what questions to ask. This place is confusing and badly organized.




Right? not sure if you saw my comment in this thread about my midwest kit but at the end i realized the exact same, the only valuable thing in this kit was the pre steralized jars...




I just ordered my kit a few days ago and haven't received it yet. After doing more research I realize before the kit even gets here that the only thing of worth will be the jars.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: happygolucky]
    #19122698 - 11/11/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ouch. Keep reading though. You may have blundered once, but that doesn't mean that you can't do the right thing with those jars and make the most of them. The most important lesson you already learned and that is research is invaluable.


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    #19122740 - 11/11/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A it's not a mistake if you learn from it and move forward. It becomes a mistake the second time you do it.


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    #19122780 - 11/11/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've noticed when I search "grow kit", this thread pops up a lot.

If everyone says "grow kit" somewhere in their post, this thread will dominate the search results.


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    #19122809 - 11/11/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just use "grow kit" as if it was a dirty word. That grow kit trich just killed my grow :lol:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19122824 - 11/11/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm adding a link to this in my thread right now. Grow kits do suck. Everyone should see this thread because grow kits are garbage. I hate grow kits.

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    #19123806 - 11/11/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah this has been really handy. Every time someone post a question about kits I just provide the link to this thread


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19125135 - 11/12/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Just use "grow kit" as if it was a dirty word. That grow kit trich just killed my grow :lol:




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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19125143 - 11/12/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Just use "grow kit" as if it was a dirty word. That grow kit trich just killed my grow :lol:





i totally down with reducing " grow kit" to a 4 letter slur.

then we can tell peeps to " stick it in your grow kit"
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19125220 - 11/12/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits are great if you just want to explore mushrooms for the first time . Some people only want to try them once to see what all the fuss is about . It's just like anal sex , some girls like it and other sluts love it . If this get's people more interested in mushrooms cultivating then you should be promoting it not putting it down .

Some 40 year old virgin who lives with his mom in a trailer park might not be able to grow his own but the kit will give him every thing he needs to get into cultivating and move out from his moms place and into his own home to explore his sexuality and find out that mushrooms do make you gay .See my point . Stop being a bunch of hater and help these noobs out . If you don't want see post about grow kits then don't read them .

And to anyone paying $100-$200 for a grow kit you only have yourself to blame .
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    #19125247 - 11/12/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Grow

Some 40 year old virgin who lives with his mom in a trailer park might not be able to grow his own but the kit will give him ........
:bathtub40lol:




...the over puffed confidence, of pesudo expertise and experience, to harrass serious growers, and clog the boards with misinfo.

grow kits dont transform lives.
they dont get peeps laid.
they really teach nothing.

if they did much of anything other than enrich the kit salesmen,
it just wouldnt be capitolism!

truly interested, sane adults, in control of their lives, should grow.
loosers , shouldnt be allowed to have kits.
they should get lives and education, not mail order shitbags.

think about it, 49.95, and any crap bag can be on hallucinogens.
it ranks as a plan, slightly above giving toddlers meth labs.

the community, will never evolve,
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    #19125302 - 11/12/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I got a kit. Now I've read all of FrankHorrigan's, TL's and Stromrider's journals. Have a PC, my WBS prepped, my SAB up and running, my monotubs on the ready. I'm gathering supplies to start agar work. I wanted to get started ASAP because a friend of mine is leaving to Africa for med school and I wanted him to try home grown mushrooms before he left. It takes a while to find the good information here. It requires a lot of patience and time. Anyway, I don't see the point of insulting people who started with a grow kit. After this grow I plan on moving on to lions mane mushrooms; I've found I really enjoy this hobby. I would still be here if not for the kit, but IMO we shouldn't go around stereotyping.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19125314 - 11/12/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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truly interested, sane adults, in control of their lives, should grow.
loosers , shouldnt be allowed to have kits.
they should get lives and education, not mail order shitbags.

think about it, 49.95, and any crap bag can be on hallucinogens.
it ranks as a plan, slightly above giving toddlers meth labs.

the community, will never evolve,
if its all about jiffy pop and spore syringe.




If you read my post you would have noticed that I never stated we should all grow kits to stop the evolution of mushroom cultivation , instead I pointed out that it is more of a introduction to cultivating . I notice that your attitude as not evolved since topia , Maybe you should work on that a bit more instead of posting all your misinformation about being a serious growers.

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    #19125318 - 11/12/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I got a kit. Now I've read all of FrankHorrigan




for the first time in OMC history ,
im left dumbstruck.:facepalm:


as a note, education, would be a proper start for noobs.
shit bags in the mail, is for those that lack that inclination.

my attitude, is always,
cheap hackery trumps nothing.

kits promote that.
no apologies for simplistic truth.

* as far as topia, its a dead mall now.
its archives are dated, and most serious growers have fled.
id question " their" atttitudes before anything else.
a sinking ship , lacks authority on sea worthy.

takes moxy , to hold a crashed site as an example of ANYTHING.
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    #19125327 - 11/12/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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I got a kit. Now I've read all of FrankHorrigan




for the first time in OMC history ,
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Proved my point , after his grow kit he intends to start cultivating . 1-0


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    #19125340 - 11/12/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"after" he intends to begin..........

i think your proving MY point.

without a kit, OMG, he would be forced to cultivate first!


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    #19125402 - 11/12/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I posted about this already, but I only ended up using the brf jars they sent. Harvested 3.5oz on my first grow (12 jars). Right now I'm simmering my wbs, getting ready to load up the pressure cooker for the second grow. I already used violet's pp5 tek and have 9 grain petris going; I don intend to start cultivating I already am.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19125404 - 11/12/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OMG he might not have bother growing mushrooms had he read any of your posts first .I'm now going to follow suit and add to your ignore list as I have yet to see you post anything interesting or helpful .


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: mandrax360]
    #19125405 - 11/12/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

grow kit suppliers and their lies:

"Without a doubt the Bee plus is the largest of all cubensis mushrooms. Perhaps the B+ is even the most resilient. Stories are not uncommon of people disposing the substrate in the garden after depletion only to find B+ growing there the year after."

from mandrax360's link.
Things like this makes it impossible to have an informative web site like the shroomery.
So many competitors spreading the misinfo just trying to sell their shit as gold.


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    #19125418 - 11/12/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's called marketing , even site vendors do it to increase sales .:huxleyfacepalm:


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    #19125443 - 11/12/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

in my book it's called bad info. No matter whats the reasoning behind it.
a lie is a lie.


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    #19125571 - 11/12/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mandrax360 is a grow-kit sales person. So his opinion will be biased.

Grow kits are an awful way to start out. Unless you consider high price for stuff you can buy on your own and a bad set of instructions written in the company's own form of pig-Latin a good idea.

The only good thing about them is it's one-stop-shopping. But, this is negated by the level of crappy-ness that you get in one stop.


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    #19125648 - 11/12/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

years ago,
someone gave me a kit as a gift.
(they didnt know i could grow.)

it was such a heart warming, and a sincere gift,
that i grew some up, and told em the kit did it. NOT.

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    #19125792 - 11/12/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I were a grow kit salesman as I would be rich $$$$$$$$$$$$. More to the point the world works on supply and demand , one would not supply were there is no demand . I have never had the need to buy a grow kit but I see the market for them .


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    #19125810 - 11/12/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think a grow kits should come with nuthing but agar mateials and a sab


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    #19126024 - 11/12/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i think a grow kits should come with nuthing but agar mateials and a sab




that would be justice.
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    #19126031 - 11/12/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When a grow kit salesperson uses bad info in attempts to get one up on everyone else he is only destroying the substrate that keeps him alive anyway. You need the world to stand on. Sell them swill and you'll get it back, your money will keep you from having real fun.


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    #19126090 - 11/12/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i think a grow kits should come with nuthing but agar mateials and a sab




that would be justice.
might be nice with a PC, and a copy of MC also.




Its posts like this that make me glad I never put you on ignore :lol: Proof that we can all find common ground.


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    #19126153 - 11/12/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I wish I were a grow kit salesman as I would be rich $$$$$$$$$$$$. More to the point the world works on supply and demand , one would not supply were there is no demand .




There's no doubt that there is a demand and someone will always be there to supply that demand and we all see the market for them.

The point of this thread is to try and disrupt that demand as much as possible.

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I have never had the need to buy a grow kit but I see the market for them .




I would like as many people as possible to feel the same way. If I can only save one, that will be my reward.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19127408 - 11/12/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I got started because my friend found a book dedicated to growing weed hidden (mostly how to grow it up in a tree) that also showed more or less the PF tek and some strategies. It was a short chapter, at the end.


......and with it did a ton of shit before even realizing the Shroomery. Then I came here to learn more.

I went out and just did the aquarium, whatever set up that the book told me. Just did it fairly simply SORT of like a kit of sorts that I put together after some planning.

Well pretty much did everything up until needing to do dunks and learning about incubators, but all that shit didn't cost me as much as these kits, and what do you do with the jars? Make more substrate, right? So just get the pressure cooker and everything after that for the substrate is dirt cheap comparison wise.

Anyone can get ideas from these though. I guess bouncing bear used to have bee pollen which I have seen as an additive to their substrate jars. Least of all, it's cheaper by a shitload, no shipping a ton of that stuff, and who the hell bothers to just do the first round?

Everyone comes back around here, or to some books. It's not like you can just keep buying their shit. I know when I did I actually spend a fair amount getting two syringes of each type, from a company that did all sorts of mushroom types, that is kind of hard to find actually. I even ordered 2 more of a different halfway in to have another strain, and used all four syringes again and again, but it made it easy on me to get something together to get a spore print of both kind and keep the cycle going, also it was recommended for beginners especially to get two full syringes of each strain you try. I wouldn't do that now, hell I would go spore print and get some syringes at the feed store, and that would be followed by liquid culture. Thing is I learned a lot from DIY.



I saw one site, selling casing mix, two types, one with lime in it too. That's all these motherfuckers did!

I can see some of the products that are sold might help people out who aren't getting kits, maybe some special stuff, on occasion but practically everything in this hobby is makeshift labs!

Another site selling incubation chambers. These where so obviously cobbled together from stuff, that it's just as easy to use it as a planning ground and build EXACTLY the same thing. Imagine the cost involved and your time and you are instantly out a ton of money.

Even if you where throwing up some huge grow op, you would just order that shit in bulk and throw it together, you could cobble together like 20 of them an hour without even trying.


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    #19135268 - 11/14/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I got the ultimate kit. Completely sucks. The plastic is way to small to do anything with, and the lights and timer are completely cheap junk. Salvaged the big tote to make into a glove box. And got the jars, so that's good.


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    #19135356 - 11/14/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own




Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.

The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.

Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving.
Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.

I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!


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    #19135399 - 11/14/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own




Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.

The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.

Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving.
Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.

I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!





im cool with that, but its not that simple.

first of all, the grow kit peeps run to us for advice.
by then its too late other than call 911.
second, when someone does get a lucky kit going,
they immediately become " experts' , and then begin to advise others.

if peeps just bought em at face value, and used em as such, fine.
in reality, they encourage psycholgical disease.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19135458 - 11/14/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own




Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.

The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.

Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving.
Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.

I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!





im cool with that, but its not that simple.

first of all, the grow kit peeps run to us for advice.
by then its too late other than call 911.
second, when someone does get a lucky kit going,
they immediately become " experts' , and then begin to advise others.

if peeps just bought em at face value, and used em as such, fine.
in reality, they encourage psycholgical disease.
and it plagues us all.




I gave a bunch of people shit info after I had success with some in-vitro bags. Grow kits suck all around. I wish I never started there.


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    #19135486 - 11/14/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

bod, we rarely agree,
but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........

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    #19135546 - 11/14/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bod, we rarely agree,
but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........

for what its worth, your agar farm is looking pretty good also.




One of these days I'm legit going to give Vtek a try down to the T.
Either it will help dispel some of the failure myths because no one out there has really done a great job at replicating it, or it will not do as well for me.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19135695 - 11/14/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I cannot even imagine how little interest in mycology I would have if I couldn't learn and do it myself. 

I began because I was interested in cultivating reishi since I find them to be so effective as a medicinal supplement.  I didn't realize how much there was to learn.  I am completely fascinated by the entire process. It is so much fun to do different experiments to see what techniques work best for me so I can perfect my methods.

So even though I have never experienced a grow kit, I can say that it is so easy and inexpensive to start with PF Tek that I wouldn't want  to mess with something that I have no control or knowledge of how it is made.

There are many brilliant members on these forums, so I'm sure if there is a question about the process, it can be found with an easy search or ask if it hasn't been answered already.


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    #19135874 - 11/14/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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bod, we rarely agree,
but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........

for what its worth, your agar farm is looking pretty good also.




One of these days I'm legit going to give Vtek a try down to the T.
Either it will help dispel some of the failure myths because no one out there has really done a great job at replicating it,




actually, its been done by numerous peeps on different forums,
with several types of cubes, mexicanas, and pans.

when done right, it has many advantages.

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    #19136235 - 11/14/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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v-tek, certainly out does kits.




I would hope so. :lol:

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    #19136304 - 11/14/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People jump right to casing all the time but I think I generally recommend starting with the PFTek and maybe perlite instead of the hand spraying bubbling airstone in a cup in a fishtank method although I find that kind of easy to control and get right the first time.

Also you can case with these, I kinda liked a tek tha said to do the half a jar small aluminum tin casings, where you cut the pf tek cake in half and case. Yielded some product because I was working in an office and got used paper boxes. I cut the tops, and just threw some trash bags in there so I could fan it, and just pull the top off and put it back on.


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    #19142943 - 11/15/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits will start working when they start coming with humans to do your work for you.


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    #19144005 - 11/16/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19150449 - 11/17/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oooh...this was a great idea. Maybe we can persuade someone to make it a sticky at the top of the board. :awesome:

So anyway, before everyone gets on their high horse about people buying kits being lazy or uninterested in the process or somehow inferior to the Real Geeks on teh Shroomereh...just about everyone starts growing mushrooms because they're primarily interested in the harvest. So did you, so did everyone. Just about everyone is *still* primarily interested in the harvest. Otherwise contams wouldn't bum us out so bad. 

I would venture a guess that at least half the people here bought a grow kit starting out, and most of them bought the grow kit because they didn't know any better and/or weren't confident in doing it from scratch. Unfortunately, when you google "how to grow mushrooms" or "how to grow shrooms", the Let's Grow Mushroom videos are not among the top hits. One of the top hits when you search "how to grow mushrooms" is an agar technique (I know, wtf, right?). All of this is overwhelming and when you have many shiny websites making many shiny promises with all of the shiny things, you are hypnotized by the shiny things because it all makes sense to someone who hasn't done any of this before.

When I first started, I bought a grow kit from Midwest. Oddly, the reason I bought it was because it was recommended by Ralph on his site. I had heard of people growing mushrooms on rice cakes rather than in cow shit, and went looking for mushroom spores first. After putting the kit together, inoculating the jars, eventually stumbling upon the Shroomery and the videos, and realizing I got charged an asshole tax of $99, I stopped buying from Ralph--not because there was anything wrong with his products--because he recommended this box of cheap, unnecessary, and overpriced crap to begin with.

Rather than wagging our fingers at noobs who had the audacity to get ripped off by unscrupulous grow kit peddlers, maybe we should google bomb RR's vids so they become the first hit on google. At least it'll give noobs a better shot at not getting screwed.:grin::thumbup:


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Yep, Ralph's endorsement sold me on midwest. Why would anyone endorse that kit? Idk!


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    #19151288 - 11/17/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Though I have never had a reason to use a grow kit, nor have the desire to ever use a grow kit, I think they could be good if priced around $25USD.

I'm sure this has probably been done before...

-Large spawn bag filled with 2 qts hydrated\sterilized rye.
-Large spawn bag has a filter patch for Fae, and also an internal gelcap filled with sterile spores to drop on the hydrated\sterile rye...no opening the bag.
-Wait for 100% colonized.
-Fruit in the bag...might now have to cut the top of bag.

They would get at least $25USD worth of booms and give them an intro to the hobby.

I have done similar with friends and family as they want the booms but not the hassle.

Question is...can you ship sterile rye with a contained inner gelcap full of cube spores?
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    #19153054 - 11/18/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Though I have never had a reason to use a grow kit, nor have the desire to ever use a grow kit, I think they could be good if priced around
Question is...can you ship sterile rye with a contained inner gelcap full of cube spores?
Didn't PF get popped this way?




Yeah. That infers intent.

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    #19153500 - 11/18/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yep, Ralph's endorsement sold me on midwest. Why would anyone endorse that kit? Idk!




I have absolutely no proof, but I have a sneaky suspicion that Ralph is Midwest. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin. :shrug:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19167946 - 11/20/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grow kits just take advantage of people who really don't know any better, and that is why so many of us getting into the hobby get RIPPED OFF, is because we didn't know any better.  I think the really bad thing is people buying a kit, getting bummed they got nothing out of it, and giving up.  Before my kit failed I was already reading up on bulk spawning, planning on using the cakes (that contaminated with garbage spores from an imitation site) to crumble into some bulk.  The real bad thing grow kits do is discourage people making them think they cannot do this hobby/profession/whatever, and making them give up.
If there was a kit that was a 66 qt tub, a black trash bag, a razor knife, a roll of duct tape, a brick of coir, a master jar and 7 transfer jars, a large pot with pasteurizing instructions, a digital meat thermo, a small pillow, and an already made SAB, THAT would be worth the 150-200 bucks.  Also in the information booklet would be a section discussing the community and places (such as this) that people could go to learn about what they are doing and how do do it right, and to be told what they are doing wrong and steered in the right direction instead of away.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19169492 - 11/21/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If there was a kit that was a 66 qt tub, a black trash bag, a razor knife, a roll of duct tape, a brick of coir, a master jar and 7 transfer jars, a large pot with pasteurizing instructions, a digital meat thermo, a small pillow, and an already made SAB, THAT would be worth the 150-200 bucks.





Me and my fiancée run a business out of the website www.thetastefulhooker.com/store If I was to go about offering a grow kit like the one you just described, how would I become a shroomery approved vendor?

How do other shroomery members feel about a grow kit like this? I'd replace a pillow with polyfill I course.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19169547 - 11/21/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

moronic, your trying to make a fast buck off ignorant noobs.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19169570 - 11/21/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You would have to sell it at a price that makes it worth your effort. This cost would likely be way more than what it would cost for someone to go out and buy it on there own.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19169579 - 11/21/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You would have to sell it at a price that makes it worth your effort. This cost would likely be way more than what it would cost for someone to go out and buy it on there own.




true but newbs dont know any better and im sure it would sell. then it would fail maybe, and then they would either quit or make it themselves


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: twistedty]
    #19169600 - 11/21/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you guys realize, if ya sell noobs kits, and half baked info,
that over the haul, you encourage the peeps that pry shouldnt be growing in the first place.

serious growers, should universally refuse to trouble shoot kits.
its like patching a sieve, to make a boat.

wonder how noobs that buy kits feel,
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19170318 - 11/21/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Best growkit ever

mushroomvideos.com + shroomery + your brain

Supplies not included / results not guaranteed

If you want to make and sell a growkit make a video showing people how to do it. Once you're good enough to make that kind of video chances are you'll have forgotten about the money because you'll be a fulfilled person.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: twistedty]
    #19170513 - 11/21/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You would have to sell it at a price that makes it worth your effort. This cost would likely be way more than what it would cost for someone to go out and buy it on there own.




true but newbs dont know any better and im sure it would sell. then it would fail maybe, and then they would either quit or make it themselves




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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19170754 - 11/21/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dunno, some people don't have easy access to power tools, a hole saw, don't want to go around town collecting supplies (they might not have a car), an would find it convenient to get everything in one place. Conversely, they may have an excess of money and be willing to pay a lazy tax jus so they don't have to go around to a bunch of stores. That was the reason I went with midwest - I'm not short on money and I thought Id just be saving myself a few trips to the store.

I'd like to assemble a "shroomery approved" grow kit with instructions that come from FrankHorrigan & TL's journal along with some up to date "common newbie mistakes". I don't want to overcharge, just have a grow kit everyone can get behind, except for Anne Halonium's who wants everyone to vtek.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
    #19171392 - 11/21/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to assemble a "shroomery approved" grow kit with instructions that come from FrankHorrigan & TL's journal




you mean a half baked shit bucket and a tube light?
maybe a little dust from franks house?

:lolsy:

you must HATE noobs.

165 posts sytar, and frank is your idol?
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19171511 - 11/21/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

shit buckets are where it's at:thumbup:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19171535 - 11/21/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As far as bucket tek is concerned; 1. AFIK Frank hates the bucket and would never use one again as far as I know and 2. Even people who have had success with the bucket and coir/verm would never suggest that it would be a good idea to use "Shit" in it :shrug:

Me, I miss my bucket, have not used one in a while, but stovetop pasteurization is a pain. However I may have found an acceptable alternative.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19171547 - 11/21/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oh no i was strictly talking about loading a bucket of shit to take home to become a millionaire:thumbup:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19171568 - 11/21/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whoops my bad I was meaning to address anne. But if anyone can turn a bucket of shit into millions, you can cronicr :lol:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19171668 - 11/21/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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oh no i was strictly talking about loading a bucket of shit to take home to become a millionaire:thumbup:





its your best hope.
i made note of your tek limits in the no PC thread.

seems to be a divide,
those interested in a fast cheap shroom that they can scrape the trich and verm off of and bolt down for a 1$ buzz.
VS.
peeps that are interested in mycology ,
and a serious clean , tangible crop.

as a community, is it a race to the bottom?
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
    #19171695 - 11/21/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:laugh2:
i''m never interested in fast cheap shrooms, cubes are not my cup of tea for the most part.
i do the odd cube grow when i'm running low but i prefer exoticss/edibles and i ain't all that huge on  cube yeild  as it gets out of hand too fast

let us see one of your "tangible crops"


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19171854 - 11/21/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anne is the only person on my ignore list. She contaminates threads faster than trich in a grow kit.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19172068 - 11/21/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lately,
ive only been posting after i noticed you guys trashed em already.
some of these threads are treasure troves of info anyway.

gives a snapshot of peeps POV.
and is a great reference.

everyone sane knows grow kits are a farce.
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    #19172354 - 11/21/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Way too damn expensive and the pf tek yield sucks


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19172620 - 11/21/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why is everyone so down on PF tek? Not everyone wants pounds of shrooms. PF tek is pretty easy and if one jar or cake contams, it's not like you've lost your whole grow. It can be very biologically efficient if you play your cards right. I like to use it to experiment with new varieties.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19172649 - 11/21/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why is everyone so down on PF tek? Not everyone wants pounds of shrooms. PF tek is pretty easy and if one jar or cake contams, it's not like you've lost your whole grow. It can be very biologically efficient if you play your cards right. I like to use it to experiment with new varieties.



it's just this guy i think lol
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Way too damn expensive and the pf tek yield sucks



i don't know some are all about yield i guess:shrug:
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19172657 - 11/21/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is a "grow kits suck" thread, not a "PF tek sucks" thread. Take it somewhere else please.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19172671 - 11/21/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think  he is refering to the pf kits though if im right


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #19172684 - 11/21/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:smilingpuppy:

To quote the shroom demigod:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13058707#13058707


Wrong.  The brf/pf tek doesn't suck.  Only persons who can't follow directions suck.  There is no other substrate for cubensis that will return a higher biological efficiency than brown rice flour and vermiculite, and there's no other method that will take one from spores to finished product in less time.

If one wishes to grow in bulk, there's other methods that will return a higher yield, but in no way does one method render another method as 'sucking'.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19172718 - 11/21/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd argue that the non-PF tek kits suck WAAAY worse, if only because at least the PF tek is a proven method that is basically foolproof and WILL produce results unless you're a complete fuckoff. Non-PF tek kits generally peddle some sort of jive-ass unproven corner-cutting shit that's supposed to be "easier" than tried-and-true methods. If the PF tek is just too strenuous and time consuming, you better take that one to the grave and remember to take your goddamn adderall next time.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19173978 - 11/22/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just to be clear, the "kit" I was "suggesting" WOULD be cost prohibitive, and would be better as a bulk growers supplies FAQ, as you get most of it the cheapest of Amazon.  The ONLY way it would be able to make ANY money, is if you made THOUSANDS of them, and got all the supplies cheap as can be, and even then you would have a LOT of failure.  After all, how is someone who cannot do the simplistic PFtek going to be able to pasteurize properly, have proper sterile technique, ect.  Most of this is just learned from trial and error, as I for one had no-one showing me what to do(other than RR videos and this site that is).  Now mycology supports my way of life.  Comfortably.  I have plenty of food and a party is never dull when I show up.  :electrickoolaid:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: MastaBlastar]
    #19173996 - 11/22/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

results with PF tek, depend on skill.
most are lame, some are fantastic.

no kit , can replace skill.
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    #19174033 - 11/22/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No wonder some people get ignored by 71 people...


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    #19174052 - 11/22/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No wonder some people get ignored by 71 people...




its counterproductive, to focus on the lost souls.
:rabble:

this thread is about the ones we save from a kit of eternal damnation.
can i get an amen?



( and remember, ostrich prefer annie over all competitors:thumbup:)


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    #19174065 - 11/22/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You are very....opinionated and sure of yourself.  And also its the short time you accomplished this in, I am guessing this is not your first or only account.


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No wonder some people get ignored by 71 people...




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You are very....opinionated and sure of yourself.  And also its the short time you accomplished this in, I am guessing this is not your first or only account.




It's pretty easy to see you're just as annoying as her. My advice learn how to distill anything good from everyones posts. If your worried about seeing her shit and being tainted by it then work on yourself. You're getting all off topic in spaceball's thread. If anne is a troll then you're helping her out immensely, this would be just what she wants. Either ignore her, grow up, or move on. No one else needs to see more anne this and that everyone knows. You're acting like a puppet by going on and on about it. It's gotten to the point where people posting right after anne is just as bad as anne posting. Please don't make the litter heap bigger for fucks sake. At least some of anne's posts have a bit of truth to them while your posts were just useless.

Come here, learn, and then go grow some. If you want to keep drama here then by all means go to the other sub forums. 

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    #19174119 - 11/22/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im anne halonium.
glad to meet ya.
no sock puppet could meet my standards, if thats what you imply.
people are aware im here.
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    #19174192 - 11/22/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hate kits too so why not be adults together in this thread, and when you talk about ferts in a different thread I can be your skeptic. No need to be a noob about it.

Think about it. Is anne's advice about grow kits laced with her other rhetoric?

either way I'm starting to hate keyboard warriors more than trolls.

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    #19174301 - 11/22/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate kits too so why not be adults together in this thread, and when you talk about ferts in a different thread I can be your skeptic. No need to be a noob about it.

Think about it. Is anne's advice about grow kits laced with her other rhetoric?

either way I'm starting to hate keyboard warriors more than trolls.

There's an abundance of why grow kits suck here. That's the only point here. Let's try to keep that point flowing.




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    #19174348 - 11/22/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ha, I'm rather calm about my distaste for grow kits and bandwidth wasting posts.

Click on the first link in my signature. I included some of the first posts I ever made here in my thread. It's pretty obvious to see how infectious grow kits are.


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Re: The Official [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19174832 - 11/22/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was making fun of keyboard warriors.:grin:


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    #19174981 - 11/22/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea some people do feel like they need to get the last word in for some reason as if someone else's thread is their child.

My first grow kit, already an issue
Another grow kit mishap today
Quote:

Pumert said:
I just wanted to cut corners one time my first go around,

ive studied the process for yeaaaars and truelly appreciate this fruit body that has helped our species evolve.




Here's some more essence of why kits suck.

I appreciate hamburgers... goes to mcdonalds...


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    #19175140 - 11/22/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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...spaceball's...



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    #19175614 - 11/22/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea some people do feel like they need to get the last word in for some reason as if someone else's thread is their child.

My first grow kit, already an issue
Another grow kit mishap today
Quote:

Pumert said:
I just wanted to cut corners one time my first go around,

ive studied the process for yeaaaars and truelly appreciate this fruit body that has helped our species evolve.




Here's some more essence of why kits suck.

I appreciate hamburgers... goes to mcdonalds...




I don't know, that guy makes me suspicious. I can't put my finger on it.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19206376 - 11/29/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh man I just gave up. Too many pages to read through lol. Very funny thread though. Maybe Ill read a page a day before bed so I can laugh.

I got a growkit too :smile:
It encompassed:
A book (mushroom cultivator)
A movie (rr's videos)
A syringe from lil'shop of spores. Love them guys
and a trip to my local walmart.

Though I do admit I always bought my pf cakes from a vendor premade cause I did not have a pressure cooker yet and didnt want to risk steam in a pot cause I live in very bad conditions for sterility purposes lol. Soon as I did buy one I went to wbs and bulk.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: Valyr]
    #19206469 - 11/29/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To me personally grow kits are for the lazy mycologist or should I say for the person who has little patients. Not including it takes all the fun out of doing it on your plus it feels much more rewarding when its all said and done and you have have a pile of lovely shrooms that you created from start to finish. That's just my take on grow kits. Happy shrooming!


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: wayneshy465]
    #19206762 - 11/29/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Man I spent $55 on a stupid kit once, and it only came with
a small ass box, ONE pair of gloves, 6 pre-sterilized BRF jars, 1 pound of perlite, and a stupid worthless light. I could have gotten all of that
for around $20, but laziness took over.


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    #19207115 - 11/30/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To me personally grow kits are for the lazy mycologist or should I say for the person who has little patients.




Patience? Shit I wish they would take longer. . . I can't keep up :crazy2:

My Friday night was:

Get home from work
Put 3 trays into FC
Simmer then Sterilize 14 quarts of grain
Spawn 1 66quart mono
Harvest a mini mono
Make agar and have a few beers
transfers in SAB
Check cultures and jars
Stir LC
Get on shroomery and crack a beer

I'm fucking beat :wink:

*Not necessarily in that order


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    #19210191 - 11/30/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My Friday night was:

Get home from work
Put 3 trays into FC
Simmer then Sterilize 14 quarts of grain
Spawn 1 66quart mono
Harvest a mini mono
Make agar and have a few beers
transfers in SAB
Check cultures and jars
Stir LC
Get on shroomery and crack a beer

I'm fucking beat :wink:

*Not necessarily in that order




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    #19210313 - 11/30/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey I party hard :nerd:

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19220686 - 12/03/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Plastic bag as fruiting chamber it's cool idea for those who do not have enough space to store grow equipment.


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    #19222217 - 12/03/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The most important reason grow kits suck:

They keep you dependent on supplies that can be cut off by a ban, while you should learn to become an independent grower, one who doesnt need kits or spore syringes or ampules because he can make them himself using the mushroom genetics he's breeding into superior varieties, akin to what happened to weed since the 1970s.


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    #19222886 - 12/03/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Amen brother. Amen


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    #19226436 - 12/04/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The most important reason grow kits suck:

They keep you dependent on supplies that can be cut off by a ban, while you should learn to become an independent grower, one who doesnt need kits or spore syringes or ampules because he can make them himself using the mushroom genetics he's breeding into superior varieties, akin to what happened to weed since the 1970s.




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    #19226823 - 12/04/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well when I first started getting into growing, I wanted to buy a kit. I figured it would be easier to just get everything I needed instead of going to individual stores, trying to find the jars and making mistakes. But then I was like its kinda expensive I want to save money. Boy did I save and it wasn't as difficult as I thought. The jars took a bit longer they were expensive online but after a week I found them in the local supermarket 5 mins away. The problem was I was looking for the jars at dollar type stores.

All in all you're way better of making it yourself, you will learn more and although it may seem like the more daunting task you'll be all the more richer at the end of it.

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    #19227583 - 12/04/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To summarize:
-Doesn't Save any money, ever
-Costs way more than buying the materials to do it yourself
-Most vendors use the exact materials sold in stores that you would buy, same brand and everything
-No added quality.  Sterilization/Pasteurization is done with the same pressure cookers and microwaves available to the consumer (Probably cheaper to maximize profits since I doubt their using All American pressure cookers, the standard in Mycology)
-No way to get money back for defective or contaminated equipment/jars
-Many vendors who sell kits are shady to begin with, probably dont use proper procedure and produce their kits in bulk.
-You fail to gain any knowledge of mycology or proper sterile technique, the latter essential for pursuing your own grows, at minimum.
-Without said knowledge, if buying shroom kits becomes banned or any materials, you're up a creek without a paddle.
-Kits often come with shitty instructions that run contrary to well know mycological fact. (I.E. my story of my friends kit telling him to use his terrarium as a incubation chamber.  Only thing it did was stop myclieum growth and incubate trich and lipstick mold.  He was out $120 and I did a PF tek grow for @40 and produced large flushes (For a PF TEK))
-Purchasing a grow kit screams "SHROOM GROWER" to any law enforcement that gets a search warrant for your credit card records.
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    #19227870 - 12/04/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok, i am totally, and always have been anti kit.

BUT,
if someone wanted to get a pre fab oyster kit, for a 12 yr old science project, cuz the kid was a bio hound......i could be cool with it.

that kinda kid though, will be here at 18 ( ahem)
and be testing nerves....
and ,they will be way past kits.

you guys are apoplectic with some of my experiments.
wait till the kiddies can buy the boomer gene splicing kit.

other than that, kits are for loosers.
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    #19227942 - 12/04/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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-Most vendors use the exact materials cheaper materials than what are sold in stores that you would buy

-No added quality.  Sterilization/Pasteurization is done with the same pressure cookers and microwaves available to the consumer (Probably cheaper to maximize profits since I doubt their using All American pressure cookers, the standard in Mycology)



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    #19231748 - 12/05/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

2bittoker said:
-Most vendors use the exact materials cheaper materials than what are sold in stores that you would buy

-No added quality.  Sterilization/Pasteurization is done with the same pressure cookers and microwaves available to the consumer (Probably cheaper to maximize profits since I doubt their using All American pressure cookers, the standard in Mycology)



:thumbup:



Meh.  The the exact brand materials in my roommate's kits could be found at petsmart (I know, I looked).  Not trying to give kits any additional credit, just giving the devil his due.  Im sure there are some kits made with even crappier materials, but ultimately its irrelevant, because you're still gonna pay 4X what it would have cost to build it yourself.

And Im sure I saw a tek that said you could microwave a bulk substrate floating around here?  Im not familiar with it, because its not my choice of how to do bulk, but I remember reading about it.  Im not sure of its reliability, but Im sure if one of these shady people had a choice between doing it in the oven or just zapping it for a few seconds, Im sure they would choose the easy way.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19231838 - 12/05/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Microwave ovens do not sterilize or pasteurize anything.

There is no way to control the temperature.


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    #19232004 - 12/05/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I was never sure why anyone ever thought it was a good idea to nuke their substrate. If it does anything, it will dry out and burn your substrate in an uneven manner.

Nifty nugget of knowledge for those who don't grow and can their own food--people try to process their canning jars in the oven, too. I have no idea why people think that boiling jars in a pot of water is such a huge chore. It's really not, especially compared to losing all your shit to contam. Or getting botulism.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19233079 - 12/05/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
Microwave ovens do not sterilize or pasteurize anything.

There is no way to control the temperature.



Quote:

BittrBuffalo said:
Yeah, I was never sure why anyone ever thought it was a good idea to nuke their substrate. If it does anything, it will dry out and burn your substrate in an uneven manner.

Nifty nugget of knowledge for those who don't grow and can their own food--people try to process their canning jars in the oven, too. I have no idea why people think that boiling jars in a pot of water is such a huge chore. It's really not, especially compared to losing all your shit to contam. Or getting botulism.



However it works, people have gotten to work before, even if the users were lucky enough that it was able to stun it long enough for mycleium to colonize.  It sounded like it would have a high contam rate, thus why I didnt read much into the tek and moved on and can't remember much about it, but kit vendors dont care about success rates, as evidenced by the numerous contam threads on here from kit users.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19236351 - 12/06/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's another problem with some grow kits.

People buy the grow kit, fail, and try to save money by re-purchasing the materials.

The materials aren't always the weak point, it's often the instructions that are set up for failure.

Even after leaving the kits behind, they've learned nothing and some bad practices are now planted in their heads.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19236653 - 12/06/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

in the time it takes for your kit to show up you could already be half way there


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    #19237753 - 12/06/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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in the time it takes for your kit to show up you could already be half way there




Ooooohh ooohh....livin on a prayer!

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    #19237772 - 12/06/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just read the tek and you'll make it I swear


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I swear




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    #19237916 - 12/06/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I swear




By the moon and the stars in the sky? :rofl:




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    #19237917 - 12/06/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19237930 - 12/06/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Which reminds me...Midwest has a 24/7 mushroom hotline, to whisper sweet nothings in your ear. No shit, y'all.

So why do you guys think the kits come with such senselessly shitty teks? They're not that much less involved than doing it properly. I have a suspicion that it has something to do with assuring repeat business through plausible deniability. Since shit can feasibly go awry at any stage of the game, it might be easy to blame the contam on faulty syringes rather than, say, improperly pre-sterilized BRF jars that came with the kit. But that seems exceedingly stupid, if only because it would be a major customer service nightmare.

Midwest's business model relies primarily on using most of the information available here on the Shroomery (I guess they presume noobs do a little nominal research on the internet and find the ubiquitous PF tek) with the promise of having special insider tips and secrets the other guys don't want you to know, that you'll be privy to as soon as you purchase your kit. There are also special ingredients in their BRF jars, such as fairy dust and unicorn farts, that guarantee you better mushrooms. All of this sounds great and makes sense to someone who doesn't know any better.


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    #19237983 - 12/06/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shit...my bad...it's not 24/7...it's only Monday through Friday 11-5 central. I could've sworn there was some 24/7 mushroom support action going on there. We should totally prank call them, though. We can tell them there was a big ass human turd that came in one of our jars.


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    #19238005 - 12/06/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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big ass human turd that came in one of our jars.




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    #19239121 - 12/06/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19242618 - 12/07/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:datass:

You know you want to FrankHorrigan. Perhaps a flaming bag of poo on their doorstep would be more apropos. We shall go on a quest.


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You know you want to FrankHorrigan. Perhaps a flaming bag of poo on their doorstep would be more apropos. We shall go on a quest.




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    #19244276 - 12/08/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Billy prefers penguin poo.


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    #19694487 - 03/14/14 08:34 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Been seeing a lot of "I bought a grow kit and its green" threads lately.  Think this could use a bump.


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"how can I save it?"

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19700481 - 03/15/14 02:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

And the ubiquitous "How Do I Macgyver My Shitty Grow Kit Into Something Useable?" threads…

Hey, anyone reading this who's had the misfortune of getting nailed in the testicles through their wallet by using a grow kit and getting shit results and has thusly come to Jesus: post pics. We won't be dicks. Well, I won't be a dick. You'll be supporting the cause.

(It totally would take balls to do it, so everyone, don't rub their nose in it with the "shoulda" routine, unless it's something like, "Ew! You shoulda mailed the infested kit back to them wrapped in a sexy negligee that you purchased from a homeless tranny.")


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    #19700506 - 03/15/14 02:58 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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(It totally would take balls to do it, so everyone, don't rub their nose in it with the "shoulda" routine, unless it's something like, "Ew! You shoulda mailed the infested kit back to them wrapped in a sexy negligee that you purchased from a homeless tranny.")



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Okay so i saw this thread and instantly started laughing, it really was perfect timing:elmo:...Im going to admit to everyone im new to growing and actually purchased a grow kit from Midwest grow kits which arrive last monday( 10/21/2013, and i completely regret it :boo:

Once i finally opened the box i realized what i payed $100 for would only cost me around $40, and that i probably could have just ran to Walmart,pulled out the website on my phone and built the damn thing myself....I am not saying the quality of the kit is bad,or that the company themselves are bad, im just saying its very basic and definitely not worth the price

Ill end off on a good note though, Midwest's pre sterilized jars are fantastic however, and for a first time grow im showing some pretty promising signs of inoculation and no contamination ( knock on wood:blush:) So for all you noobs like me out there....DONT BUY THE KIT PURELY FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT....take it from a someone who learned it the hard way and just pull up a TEK from this site



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    #19805490 - 04/06/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

There pre sterilized jars are the wrong size. You want short wide mouth 1/2 pints for BRF cakes.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19805525 - 04/06/14 08:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Grow kits only suck because they take advantage of the uninformed consumer , yes the consumer does have the obligation to do some research to protect himself but some of the 100 to 200 dollar set ups are ridiculous. It kinda reminds me of the e-cig market and selling those 7 dollor batteries for upwards of 50 dollars.



Now at the same time I do like being able to buy pre made spawn bags or manure bags, that are done by experienced person's


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    #19805546 - 04/06/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They look really promising with a bunch of gadgets and equipment, humidity generators and guarantees of AMAZING YIELDS and then shit all over you with overpricing, and shit all over you with ease of use, and shit all over you with low yields, and messed up fruits. Bottom line, kits make your balls shrink.


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    #19805547 - 04/06/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I hate the idea of pre made spawn and substrate. Why the hell would I trust a stranger to do soothing I know I can do myself.


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I hate the idea of pre made spawn and substrate. Why the hell would I trust a stranger to do soothing I know I can do myself.



True but it does serve a purpose for people with out a PC.


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I hate the idea of pre made spawn and substrate. Why the hell would I trust a stranger to do soothing I know I can do myself.



True but it does serve a purpose for people with out a PC.



buying your first round of spawn and substrate + shipping costs more than most peoples first pressure cookers.


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Bottom line, kits make your balls shrink.




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I hate the idea of pre made spawn and substrate. Why the hell would I trust a stranger to do soothing I know I can do myself.



True but it does serve a purpose for people with out a PC.



buying your first round of spawn and substrate + shipping costs more than most peoples first pressure cookers.



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    #19806268 - 04/06/14 11:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

almost bought a kit til i read the forums and figured i would come out way cheaper piecing it together


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I just feel the need to say that this site is probably one of the most influential sources of information about mycology on the internet. Posts like this keep ill informed "noobs" from falling for all the bullshit "grow yo shrroms trip ballz" scam bullshit out there. The analogy catch a man a fish or teach him how to fish comes into play


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I just feel the need to say that this site is probably one of the most influential sources of information about mycology on the internet. Posts like this keep ill informed "noobs" from falling for all the bullshit "grow yo shrroms trip ballz" scam bullshit out there. The analogy catch a man a fish or teach him how to fish comes into play




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I just feel the need to say that this site is probably one of the most influential sources of information about mycology cultivation on the internet.




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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19812013 - 04/08/14 08:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I bought a large grow kit from Midwest grow kits in hindsight I could've took a day went shopping spent a lot less money and had everything that came in the kit. Except the jars. I didn't have time to make my jars so I cheated bought a large grow kit so I didn't need to go I could just get it and start.. I it was the ultimate one lol I wanted a big first grow. All the items except they provided a humidifier in a large quart jar with hydroton and looks like a bunch of cotton or something. But other than that I needed 18jars and the reviews said that their jars are one of the best as far as contaminants. They are in the incubator now I'll be documenting how it goes mind you I needed a incubator cause how cold it is where I live only Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata can grow naturally


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    #19812152 - 04/08/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

you don't need an incubator if the temp inside of your home is above 65F most of the day.


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    #19812863 - 04/08/14 11:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The incubator that comes with that kit is just a tub with a heating pad under it. That type of incubator is grate if you are trying to grow bacteria. Ditch the heating pad.


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:whathesaid: that too


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Yeah fuck that heating pad.


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    #20022236 - 05/21/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I don't understand how new users supposedly lurk on this site for months before posting and still feel buying a premade kit is the best way to start. :shrug:
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    #20022273 - 05/21/14 09:01 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Novanity1]
    #20022460 - 05/21/14 09:48 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i started with a grow kit... the kit that was heavily addvertised in hightime magazine..the kit itself wasnt that bad realy came with agar spore print.. like 1 lb of substrate.. a couple test tubes with rye i belive... was like 75 bux... it was a total flop all my viles contamed and i was fucked.. it did show me advanced procedures i had no buisness doing as a noob.. so my faliure was hard lived and i thought Hell it has to be possible... Then I found the Shroomery... was introduced to tje pf tech and I hit the ground runnin ever since...  A kit was a great start for me but if your reading this post you alreqdy found the shroomery so Dont be an idiot


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    #20023221 - 05/22/14 01:29 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

And still we have to moderate all of you who are dogmatised around diy is better than anything.

My first grow was a mexi cube kit and it actually gave me 10g dry on my first flush.

Several things come into account when talking about growing shrooms. Some don't have time or don't want to spend time doing it from the bottom up.
Myself… I really really really can't be bothered about doing it from the bottom. Now since I don't see growing shrooms as a religion or something holy that is not to be tampered with, I don't really care how much a flush gives as long as it gives enough for that 6 monthly trip.
Money…. bleh, 40 euros here and there every six months… who cares??

Anyways… you can take one of those easier to grow grow kits and mix it up with the SGFC setup and have decent results. You don't NEED to go by the books, so stop preaching…
tripping is nothing but chemical alteration anyways, for my part "set" has NOTHING to at all with the growing part. Growing is just a necessary step towards getting the tools needed for the introspective voyage. (actually… mostly just because growing yourself is easier than buying when Libs are out of season)

But what would really make this forum shine is more tolerance and issuing help to those who find themselves in a place with kits are easierly approachable than doing everything from the bottom. I mean… isn't that why you are trip in the first place? To enforce compassion and be kinder to others? Don't flame others for their choice… it really shouldn't be that hard, and be the better man that can offer solutions or just suggestions based on the premise of the person asking for help. out of the box that you are trapped in.

I get it… some of you take pride in doing something like this yourself… but you have to understand others may not find this pride, but that does NOT disqualify them from asking for help that is not related to the way you are doing it.

It's like if someone is asking for help learning to write, and you scold them for wanting to write with the left hand instead of the right, or write with a magic marker instead of a pencil.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #20023272 - 05/22/14 01:46 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

beforelgtold....that isnt the point of this thread.....most newbies wast there money on gimics like i did in 99..
if there here reading this board we are pointing them in a diffrent direction with far superior results...


had to edit......congrats on using a kit and having such good luck with it.!!! that isnt normal........Im sure 70-80% who posted on this thread will dissagree with you


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    #20023277 - 05/22/14 01:48 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Myself… I really really really can't be bothered about doing it from the bottom.




If you can't be bothered doing it from the bottom then why don't you just buy a bag of shrooms from your pot dealer or something? :rolleyes:

I guess most of us would rather pay 40 euros once then pay 40 euros multiple times a year.  Actually I got started for 30 dollars which is like what? 25 euros? The only thing you're doing from the ground up is making jars (10 minutes) sterilizing them (90 minutes) Buildin an SAB (10 minutes) Inoculating them (10 minutes) waiting... Birthing and dunk (10 minutes) build and set up the shotgun fruiting chamber (20 minutes) Mist and fan twice a day (75 minutes total over 15 days) Harvest (5 minutes) dry (5 minute setup)

Total ACTUAL WORK is 4 hours.  The only thing I didn't include here is buying supplies which you can get during your regular shopping routine.

So I guess if your privileged 4 hours is too much commitment. But to most of us who hear that 'you can't be bothered' or 'you don't have time' it just sounds like the epitome of lazy douchery.  I live paycheck to paycheck and I've had to work for everything so I don't really see this as work.

Plus for that investment. You can make enough shrooms to sell to your friends and actually be compensated for that time you spent making it.  To people who start from the ground up the time spent is actually an investment that not only ourselves, but our friends get to benefit from.

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I get it… some of you take pride in doing something like this yourself… but you have to understand others may not find this pride, but that does NOT disqualify them from asking for help that is not related to the way you are doing it.

It's like if someone is asking for help learning to write, and you scold them for wanting to write with the left hand instead of the right, or write with a magic marker instead of a pencil.



i don't think you understand whats really happening though, i'm here everyday and never see anybody get flamed for there kits, just the subjecct gets jumped at but everysingle one gets help one way or another, you probably didn't read much of this thread but the biggest issues that come to play from people posting kit problems is the instructions always suck and vendors hype them up as much as they can, people always will point out why doing it yourself is better because nobody is gonna make you a kit at cost but by no means have i ever not helped anybody just because it's a kit


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I get it… some of you take pride in doing something like this yourself… but you have to understand others may not find this pride, but that does NOT disqualify them from asking for help that is not related to the way you are doing it.

It's like if someone is asking for help learning to write, and you scold them for wanting to write with the left hand instead of the right, or write with a magic marker instead of a pencil.



i don't think you understand whats really happening though, i'm here everyday and never see anybody get flamed for there kits, just the subjecct gets jumped at but everysingle one gets help one way or another, you probably didn't read much of this thread but the biggest issues that come to play from people posting kit problems is the instructions always suck and vendors hype them up as much as they can, people always will point out why doing it yourself is better because nobody is gonna make you a kit at cost but by no means have i ever not helped anybody just because it's a kit




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People with grow kits do get help here.  The problems that continually show up are poor instructions (oven tek anyone?) or customers being sold oyster mushrooms instead of cubensis.  The thing is if you're ordering a grow kit online you REALLY DON'T KNOW what you're getting.

Plus a lot of those grow kits DO start from scratch with the exception that they include pre sterilized jars.


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    #20023615 - 05/22/14 06:08 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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And still we have to moderate all of you who are dogmatised around diy is better than anything.

My first grow was a mexi cube kit and it actually gave me 10g dry on my first flush.

Several things come into account when talking about growing shrooms. Some don't have time or don't want to spend time doing it from the bottom up.
Myself… I really really really can't be bothered about doing it from the bottom. Now since I don't see growing shrooms as a religion or something holy that is not to be tampered with, I don't really care how much a flush gives as long as it gives enough for that 6 monthly trip.
Money…. bleh, 40 euros here and there every six months… who cares??

Anyways… you can take one of those easier to grow grow kits and mix it up with the SGFC setup and have decent results. You don't NEED to go by the books, so stop preaching…
tripping is nothing but chemical alteration anyways, for my part "set" has NOTHING to at all with the growing part. Growing is just a necessary step towards getting the tools needed for the introspective voyage. (actually… mostly just because growing yourself is easier than buying when Libs are out of season)

But what would really make this forum shine is more tolerance and issuing help to those who find themselves in a place with kits are easierly approachable than doing everything from the bottom. I mean… isn't that why you are trip in the first place? To enforce compassion and be kinder to others? Don't flame others for their choice… it really shouldn't be that hard, and be the better man that can offer solutions or just suggestions based on the premise of the person asking for help. out of the box that you are trapped in.

I get it… some of you take pride in doing something like this yourself… but you have to understand others may not find this pride, but that does NOT disqualify them from asking for help that is not related to the way you are doing it.

It's like if someone is asking for help learning to write, and you scold them for wanting to write with the left hand instead of the right, or write with a magic marker instead of a pencil.



Bad analogy.  Using a grow kit is like using a speech to text interrupter to write instead of learning to write.  Giving a man fish vs teaching him how to fish.  You are being chained to the dependency of the knowledge of others.  You aren't learning ANYTHING.  You're being a consumer, which you know how to do from birth.

Here's the thing, if grow kits worked, you wouldn't HAVE to ask for help, because the instructions and method of operation would be clear.  If you buy a bookshelf, you don't need to go on bookshelf forums and ask people if they know X about bookshelves, the instructions tell you how

By using premade kits and using them with a SGFC, all you are doing is asking someone else to prepare your substrate and pressure cook it for you.  THATS ALL.  And you are paying 10X more for each run than I do for raw materials.  I can get 10 grams dried off 2 cakes with good genetics.

If you use a grow kit, you are asking people on to research the method you selected to figure out your problem, rather than using mycological standards established on these forums. 

You're right, nothing is set.  You can grow mushrooms in an aquarium too with no FAE.  In fact, 40 years ago, that was common in mycology.  But just because you can do something, doesn't mean its the best way to do it.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #20023637 - 05/22/14 06:18 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

funny thing my friend ordered 4 of these kits
he got around 30g dry on average/kit

what u notice is that its a 1liter box, with 900ml grain spawn in it, sometimes they put a layer of perlite at the bottom as water retention.

u only have to soak it, as you all probably know soaking grain spawn helps a lot in fruition.

instead of saying its shit and expensive try to look behind your own thoughts, and think.

1liter box gives u 30g, takes small place and easy to work with, energy efficient to make for yourself at home, not much material needed, what u have to do is dunk it after every each flush

i remember the Violet thread about using space economically with the highest yield possible, this is pretty much the same concept. so all of you booing that its shit and expensive, try to think out of your narrow minded box and see what is exatly the concept behind these kits,

u can make it for yourself

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Aero]
    #20023673 - 05/22/14 06:39 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I get 5g dry a cake and i use a grow kit. But ive also done my research (although still ALOT MORE to learn) and just m&f a couple times a day, a few times if i can, and let it do its thing. Granted different kit, and i now buy my own supplies, but i use the same set up for my room conditions, but the kits will do theyre job if your not an idiot.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Aero]
    #20023685 - 05/22/14 06:47 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:smbfacepalm:

No one has a problem with the "concept", its basicly a tray that don't come with a proper fruiting chamber. What they are trashing is the poor preperation, and pointless modifycations like perlite in the bottom, which is not a water reservoir, hence why we use it to humidify the SGFC. The ones that do come with a FC are no better as its usually a box with an air pump and don't work worth shit. Most of the time people end up modifying the thing into a SGFC which means they still had to learn something and do some work :facepalm:

If someone wants to pay $100 for what should be a $5-$10 tray that may be contamed then fine. But its the same logic as paying an extra $20000 for a car with no steering wheel. Kits might not be so bad if there was at least some measure of quality control and real instructions. But there isn't so they suck :shrug:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20024128 - 05/22/14 09:20 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

The problem with kits are the limitation in how much the Shroomery can help. Using a premade kit it's hard to rule out where the problems occur when it comes with pre-colonized substrate and perlite on the bottom. The instructions are poorly made and hardly work, in the kit I ordered it specified that yellowing or graying in the colonizing jars is just aging mycelium and wasn't going to harm the growing process. I got flamed my first post for buying a grow kit and i'm glad I was. I'd say the best thing from the kit was the premade jars and that's only if you don't have the space to make them yourselves.

Another thing, they're big ripoffs. 250$ for the Super Mega Kit (Not the real name, it does exaggerate though)It includes a HEPA air filtration/humidifier, state of the art incubation chamber with filtering pockets, gloves, masks, hairnet, and premade jars with the BONUS "top secret tips and tricks only used by professional mushroom growers!" (actual words)

1 Tupperware 14 gallon tub with a strip of micropore tape 8$
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Spiritwalker_Faust]
    #20025232 - 05/22/14 02:15 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

im not nockin anyones methods, but my pictures dont lie, obviously kits do work, yea you still mist and fan but , for the most part its head ache free, so if it was a head ache, then maybe some one was thinkn to much, because iv had NO problems. Now im not sayin the sgfc is a bad gig, obviously it works, but maybe some cant dedicate certain amounts of time, or some are just lazy, either way everyone has the same objective, ....grow mushrooms.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: concrete_666]
    #20025344 - 05/22/14 02:46 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I almost bought a grow kit, but I run a business and have extensive research skills because of it.

I'm really, really glad I found this place because the ratio of problems with grow kits to problems with growing DIY doesn't really stack in favour of the grow kit.
Not good.

Just an hour was all it took to convince me, and I can't recommend DIY more. It cost me much less and I'm having a blast learning, instead of watching a box I could only ever have the smallest amount of faith in tease me for weeks!

All your eggs in one basket springs to mind. Pf tek allows a fail or two without a potential total yield loss, too (unless you got a bad sterile technique, but at least you'd know it was your fault.)


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cr0sis]
    #20025618 - 05/22/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm curious as to what grow kits you defenders are using with such great success.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20025632 - 05/22/14 03:48 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm curious as to what grow kits you defenders are using with such great success.




They're probably talking about the ones you can get in the Netherlands and other European countries. You can buy kits there that are pre colonized. The seller can make sure that there is no (visible) contamination so the customer get's the satisfaction and experience of misting and fanning.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20025685 - 05/22/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I love the entire process I get no headache from any of it but I'm a do it myself kind of dude, I make my own knives, flint knapping, moonshine, herb, meth a few times :shrug: I've hunted with a sling and with a knife...it's the act of creating something from random materials I find so fascinating with this hobby. I think if you kit folks actually went for it and had a successful grow you would never turn back from the immense pride you get doing something on your own, maybe that's just my old fashion-ness talking though. It is the age of micro chips and ti-tanium after all as immortal technique will tell you


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20026037 - 05/22/14 05:21 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

No pre colonized kits for me. Pf jars like everyone else, just follow the pf tek as normal except its not as detrimental if you forget to m&f. But you do still have to m&f. I only have 3 small g.e. holes in chamber, i run multiple fc off my setup, and im pullin 5g dry,like normal, except i have a lil more room for MY LIFE. 20 1/2 pints =bout 5 oz or more dry after 2 flushes


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: concrete_666]
    #20026361 - 05/22/14 06:31 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Ya want room/time for your life? Its called a monotub. Set and forget. Most mini mono setups will pull a qp to half pound easy and are 10"x20". I use the spare time monos give me to work on cultures, edibles, exotics and more monos :lol: but you could just watch tv if ya wanted.


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    #20026421 - 05/22/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm curious as to what grow kits you defenders are using with such great success.



the homestead kit works :thumbup:


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: tripdawg420]
    #20027045 - 05/22/14 09:09 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Is that what you use?

http://www.homesteadbook.com/store/ez-gro-mushroomkit-p-141.html

$130? I bet you can get better results and continue multiple grows for a 3rd the money with a little research. With that kit, you learn nothing and have to spend $130 every time you want to grow.

Includes P.Cubensis spores, grains, and substrate? Sounds illegal in U.S.

If you start an "Official Grow Kits Are Good" thread, I will be happy to put a link in my signature. My first post will be " Grow kits are good for people who just want a little drugs one time and don't have the inclination to learn anything. They are fine if you have extra money to throw around."

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20027289 - 05/22/14 10:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

ya kits suck but when i first started growing mushrooms and never heard of shroomery i used that kit damn they where 85 when i use to get them back in like 05 but thats one i can say will grow shrooms :shrug:
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    #20034772 - 05/24/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

yea im talking about the european ones
they are colonized rye grains in a filter box
u get the filter patch bag which is pretty much useless as an FC
but if u get them on perlite in a box they work very well

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20046802 - 05/27/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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But what would really make this forum shine is more tolerance and issuing help to those who find themselves in a place with kits are easierly approachable than doing everything from the bottom. I mean… isn't that why you are trip in the first place? To enforce compassion and be kinder to others? Don't flame others for their choice… it really shouldn't be that hard, and be the better man that can offer solutions or just suggestions based on the premise of the person asking for help. out of the box that you are trapped in.







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They're probably talking about the ones you can get in the Netherlands and other European countries. You can buy kits there that are pre colonized. The seller can make sure that there is no (visible) contamination so the customer get's the satisfaction and experience of misting and fanning.




This is probably true.

beforeIgetold: Ok. I realize I've probably said this at one time or another, but I'll say it again. So the reason there's bad blood between most of us and grow kits is because most of us live in countries in which the cultivation of active spores is illegal. Due to that fact, there can be rather extreme consequences for cultivation, and freely discussing the topic means putting your ass on the line. As such, there's a relative lack of good information out there (except for the Shroomery, of course :wink:) vs. complete bullshit. Growing non-active species isn't really that common of a hobby (though it is picking up in popularity) and it doesn't even occur to a lot of people that this is a thing that people do rather than just buying mushrooms at the store, and one could just find out the basic process of growing mushrooms and then apply that information to active species. Psychedelics tend to frighten people, as opposed to, say, pot. Most people who are inclined to consume think that mushrooms are "hard to find". So there's all this baggage to deal with. Grow kit peddlers prey on all of this.

Searching crap on the internet is still sort of suspect but it's not like your buying books at the bookstore (if you can find them) and is still somewhat anonymous-ish. It usually goes a little something like this: you go online and you search "growing shrooms" or something like that with teh Googles, and up pops Midwest Grow Kits or the like. So you say, "Hm, this seems like how people do this. Mushrooms are probably grown this way and it looks easy." So you click on the link and see what you're supposed to do to make it happen and it all makes sense if you know nothing about the process. So you shell out your money and buy your kit and buy your spores and it all comes in the mail and you set it up to get started. You start to realize that this looks cheap and something is wrong, and you start to suspect you got screwed. So you get on teh internets again and find the Shroomery and start looking around and all the while your suspicions are being confirmed, yet you hope that maybe this isn't the case. You try to make it work, but in the end, you find out that there was a better, cheaper way all along and you were had. That's why we all hate grow kits.

So, yeah, you're right in that it's unfair for us to rub salt in the wound and look down our noses at people who got tricked into buying grow kits. A decent number of us don't rub people's noses in it. The point of the thread is to try to warn people beforehand that there is a 90% chance that you're getting screwed, so don't buy them or return them if it's not too late. The only ones that I've seen that look viable are only available in places like the Netherlands in which it's legal to grow.


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    #20046831 - 05/27/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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The point of the thread is to try to warn people beforehand that there is a 90% chance that you're getting screwed, so don't buy them or return them if it's not too late. The only ones that I've seen that look viable are only available in places like the Netherlands in which it's legal to grow.




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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Aero]
    #20093688 - 06/06/14 04:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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yea im talking about the european ones
they are colonized rye grains in a filter box
u get the filter patch bag which is pretty much useless as an FC
but if u get them on perlite in a box they work very well

http://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/grow-kits/
http://www.magic-mushrooms-shop.com/en/instant-grow-kits.html




Yep… actually one of the sponsors of this site… but I don't know where some of you get those prices from? I'm pretty much ok with paying 50 dollars for not having to mess around with sterility and so on.
(I think a lot of times EU vs US people get mixed up because wages and therefore economies are different between the two countries, an average job over here is around 60k (about 38k in the hands after taxes)  a year, so 50 isn't going to break my budget every 4-6 months)

I make stuff myself too… but I don't go around making everything I need or want myself.

I don't have a problem with people growing their own shrooms…. I have a problem with people growing their own shrooms belittling people who couldn't care or less or want it the easy way.

This little thing is a dutch kit… I'm fine with it. It will most likely give me what I need. I find it a nice compromise between what experienced shroomers want us to do and not doing very much.
I agree… that box it comes in is terrible. The first time I tried them I had so high humidity in that box that I almost had more pins on the bottom and sides than on the top.
So now I just take the cake out after the dunk and place it in my sgfc on top of the lid from the box. Makes it easier to lift the cake up and retrieve side pins etc.



So yes…. grow kits suck...not much. You can turn them around…

What I would recommend is not getting the hardest strains to grow if you can't give the cake what it needs. In my case I don't have the facilities to raise a group of PEs, so I went for mexi cubes again, and they are very forgiving.

Stale cellar room with no free flowing dry air.

65 degrees (18c) at dark time and 70 degrees (21c) at light time. From what I read those aren't exactly the optimal conditions. But hey, they are still peaking up.

3 times fanning on work days (before work / when you get home / before you go to bed) and 4-5 times during off days (same thing, just 2 more times between "work" and "home").
I fan out the room as well with something large, just to get some new air in.

Mist when the moisture is dropping (look for water droplets on the sides of the sgfc).
Heck… I don't even have a humidity gauge and my thermometer is outside the sgfc just to give me a guestimation what the level of temp might be.


So if you don't want to cook, sterilize, inoculate, etc etc, just buy the damn kits, but from there on, do an sgfc, your cake will love you for it, or atleast, give you a little kiss on the cheek.
Don't feel bad from all this scolding from religious shroomers.

As long as this is cheaper than buying them off the street (which is pretty damn impossible where I live in the first place), then it's money well spent.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #20093900 - 06/06/14 05:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Buying a jar of cakes and a syringe is not a grow kit. I can see some value in that. Not everybody wants to do every step of the process.

"Everything you need to grow shrooms" is a grow kit. These kits include lights, FC, substrate, grains, heating pads, etc, for a high price and often low quality.

These kits, even the better ones, are not guaranteed to grow anything. So when it fails to produce, you are left with some crappy equipment you paid too much for and still having to by your next round of substrate or grain to use with the shitty overpriced equipment.

Because you haven't really learned anything, you don't know if it's your fault or the kit's fault. It's actually both because YOU bought the kit.

You may be able to reuse the bags or jars that came with the kit, but then you're having to learn how to do all the mixing and cooking yourself just to grow in a crappy FC.

Because you are using the kit, it's harder to get help on this site because we frown on kits and not as many have experience with them. Sorry, but right or wrong, that's the way it is. The same way it is that you can't go to First Baptist Church and expect to get much help understanding the Quran.

So now, you're back at square one. How can I growz me some shroomz? Whether you buy a kit or do it all yourself, chances are you will have some problems in the beginning. But, if you do some research, get what you need, and put in a little effort, you will learn what you did wrong and the cost of redoing will be much lower because you have almost everything you need already.

Personally, I wouldn't want to spend $50 a try just to find out my FC sucks and I didn't follow the obfuscated instructions.

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20095175 - 06/07/14 05:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

No Im not back to square one.... Im right where I want to be.

The only thing your post tells me is that your expectations are greater than mine and that money matters to you.

The only thing that matters is that the tool for the trip is created in the end... How you got there doesnt mean jack even if I have to get there by trial and error. The shrooms dont care how you grow them, the trip doesnt care how you grew the shrooms or how many you got from it.
And to be honest I dont either as long as I get at mimimum 5g dry :-)

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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #20095272 - 06/07/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

bought a growkit, spent nearly 100$ + on it. only thing I have gained from it is the thermometer and tub. I spent a lot of time lurking on here after my first grow with the kit. honestly I wish I knew better, but jumping into mycology is intimidating.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #20095358 - 06/07/14 07:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, there is a lot to that can be learned and it can seem a little overwhelming. Fortunately, there are a lot of people on this forum that get a warm fuzzy feeling from helping. But, we can only tell you what we know.

Unfortunately, your experience with grow kits is the most common and that's why I started this thread.

Regardless of what beforeigetold thinks, this is not a witch hunt. If you have a reason to buy a kit then go for. Nobody thinks you suck for buying a grow kit. It's the grow kit that sucks.

I find it a little disheartening when people get upset when others disagree, as if it's a personal attack. This thread is called "The Official Grow Kits Suck Thread" not "Grow Kits vs DIY". If you say good things about grow kits on this thread, you should expect disagreement.

Again, the point of this thread is to prevent the most common experience with grow kits, that grow kits suck


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20095379 - 06/07/14 07:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i started with 6 pre made half pint jars and 1 spore syringe, almost 1 year ago :lol:
they all worked, but while they were colonizing, i got impatient and ordered 2 sterilized bags of rye, and 2 sterilized BAGS of brf powder.  ALL 4 of those failed.  never ordered pre mades again. 


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    #20095401 - 06/07/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, it really sucks when you spend a lot of money and get failure. It's an expensive way to learn.


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    #20095412 - 06/07/14 08:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

yea.  but it pushed me to do stuff from scratch.  this hobby is awesome, it saved me from the redundancy of everyday life.  made me more patient, cleaner, and more observant on a day to day basis.  in mushrooms, i found a friend!


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    #20095443 - 06/07/14 08:22 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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    #20095458 - 06/07/14 08:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

LOVE IT!!
JT is rockin dude.  walkin man walks!
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    #20266730 - 07/13/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Just wanted to post the latest grow kit from the forums

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    #20266808 - 07/13/14 01:05 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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yea.  but it pushed me to do stuff from scratch.  this hobby is awesome, it saved me from the redundancy of everyday life.  made me more patient, cleaner, and more observant on a day to day basis.  in mushrooms, i found a friend!



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    #20266941 - 07/13/14 01:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Just wanted to post the latest grow kit from the forums

[HELP] First Time Growing - Is this a contamination? [Good Pics & Poll]


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    #20426524 - 08/16/14 10:05 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)



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    #20430884 - 08/17/14 01:06 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a kit:

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    #20430944 - 08/17/14 01:25 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad I bought a grow kit. Made me realize that I got scammed due to my ignorance of cultivation. Didn't bring me down though, just finished my second grow following franks tub tek. Sometimes I think it's okay that they're around to give that same lessons to others of how to not to grow.


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    #20432774 - 08/17/14 01:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:whattheysaid:

I have to admit, in the beginning I spent a lot of money, time, and effort trying learn to cultivate without even buying a grow kit. That's because I'm a late bloomer ...lol

But, in all my early efforts, I learned a lot more than I would have with a kit. All the things I did wrong I now know I could do right, especially working with straw and manure. I now now how to research better and get better answers if I don't understand something. You can't get that kind of education with a grow kit.

Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.


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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20432827 - 08/17/14 01:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: I spent hundreds of dollars fumbling threw my first few grows but the way I see it that money wasn't really wasted it was spent on my myco education.


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    #20432868 - 08/17/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm glad I bought a grow kit. Made me realize that I got scammed due to my ignorance of cultivation. Didn't bring me down though, just finished my second grow following franks tub tek. Sometimes I think it's okay that they're around to give that same lessons to others of how to not to grow.



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    #20432869 - 08/17/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.




Amen brother! 

Best case scenario with a kit:  You get some shrooms to fruit and get your moneys worth back.

But... you know next to nothing about inoculation, sterile procedures, substrates, or the general life cycle of a mushroom.

For your second grow you will STILL have to learn all that info...

Best to just learn it upfront and first.


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    #20434531 - 08/17/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.




Amen brother! 

Best case scenario with a kit:  You get some shrooms to fruit and get your moneys worth back.

But... you know next to nothing about inoculation, sterile procedures, substrates, or the general life cycle of a mushroom.

For your second grow you will STILL have to learn all that info...

Best to just learn it upfront and first.



Worst case scenario:

Kit #1


Kit #2


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Kit #1 made it to about 75% colonization before trich took it over.  Kit #2 rotted away behind #1 for most of the time unknown, the kits directions said to leave them alone in a dark place for weeks (a small closet in my case).  Both kits did end up failing for a total of $270 including shipping down the drain.  On top of that, who knows how many nasty spores were released into my home.  The awesome part about this story is I complained to the vendor about the horrible instructions and was given a full refund.  You can read more about this in the full thread here.

Luckily I did manage save some of the spawn and produced mushrooms from it...  This was right around the same time I found the Shroomery and started researching heavily.  Was quite a roller coaster ride of a grow but somehow I managed to make something of it and learned a bunch along the way.  You can check that out here.

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Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.




Amen brother! 

Best case scenario with a kit:  You get some shrooms to fruit and get your moneys worth back.

But... you know next to nothing about inoculation, sterile procedures, substrates, or the general life cycle of a mushroom.

For your second grow you will STILL have to learn all that info...

Best to just learn it upfront and first.



Worst case scenario:

Kit #1


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:ohgodwhy:

Kit #1 made it to about 75% colonization before trich took it over.  Kit #2 rotted away behind #1 for most of the time unknown, the kits directions said to leave them alone in a dark place for weeks (a small closet in my case).  Both kits did end up failing for a total of $270 including shipping down the drain.  On top of that, who knows how many nasty spores were released into my home.  The awesome part about this story is I complained to the vendor about the horrible instructions and was given a full refund.  You can read more about this in the full thread here.

Luckily I did manage save some of the spawn and produced mushrooms from it...  This was right around the same time I found the Shroomery and started researching heavily.  Was quite a roller coaster ride of a grow but somehow I managed to make something of it and learned a bunch along the way.  You can check that out here.

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Actually getting all you rmoney back and learning to do things the right way sounds like the best case scenario.  You lucked out


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    #20435934 - 08/18/14 04:58 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually getting all you rmoney back and learning to do things the right way sounds like the best case scenario.  You lucked out



I was speaking for the kits themselves, 100% failure for both of them was the worst that could happen.  The fact that I managed to get my money back and make something from the spawn, had little to do with the kits helping me.  The instructions were some of the worst of all time.  I did learn a lot though so I guess the kits kind of led me down the road to success.  I see what your saying.


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    #20460523 - 08/22/14 04:24 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

n00b here. I can understand why grow kits are tempting, especially as I've gone to various web sites and watched videos on how to grow and the instructions are long, tedious, and contain all sorts of words I've never heard before. I would be very happy to pay someone $50-100 for 400g of fresh, home-grown mushrooms.

Granted, I haven't sat down and actually read the volumes of text on the subject, but it doesn't seem as easy as growing cannabis, which is basically equivalent to dropping seeds on the ground and coming back later.


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    #20460544 - 08/22/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i dont thinks that how you grow high grade buds and ya growing your own is worth learning :thumbup:


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    #20460557 - 08/22/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The problem is that you give them $50-$100 for a kit made by a retard and instructions written by a moron. Then when the kit doesn't pin, produce much, or contams you will be back here asking what to do. Then we tell you to do a lot of reading and learn what the words you don't understand mean. Better to save your $100 and buy a PC with it :thumbup:


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I would be very happy to pay someone $50-100 for 400g of fresh, home-grown mushrooms.





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At least when you spend that money on the DIY and it fails, it's much cheaper to try again and your chance of success increases because you likely learned something from your fail.


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    #20460609 - 08/22/14 04:42 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The price isn't the issue. I spent well over $1000 dollars on stupid shit before I finally figured out what the fuck I was doing. The problem with kits is they don't work well and you don't really learn how to grow.


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    #20460615 - 08/22/14 04:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Grow kits suck because they defeat the experience of learning how to tend for mushrooms from start to finish, and they take away from the excitement of mycology

Sadly, they impair the learning and importance of proper sterile tech and that's why they contam often, because they don't know what they're doing

Why pay up to $70 for a kit, when you can learn a ton more from all that yield even more for under $30


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