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sharkdiver
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mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow?
#19057519 - 10/30/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a 58 qt mono tub ( which only up's the depth of the sub a tiny bit from the 66 qt tub)that I checked after 10 days of colonizing. It is maybe 50% colonized at best, but looks super white and healthy. I used 5 qts of GT and spawned it to Damion's 50/50 tek. Tub is sealed in a garbage bag w/ a blanket around it. The temp under the blanket next to tub is 69 degrees. (it's drafty where it lives which is why I have it wrapped in a blanket)The tub meets all standards as far as I can tell. I don't want to keep peeking in there and let anything get to the un-colonized sub. Should I give it some heat to speed it up or is this a reasonable growth rate? & What is the max time acceptable colonizing bulk w/ that pasteurization tek (not true pasteurization) before putting it into fruiting conditions? Thanks
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root9
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: sharkdiver]
#19057541 - 10/30/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could be a little warmer. Did you add layer of just bulk sub to the surface? Like did you mix your grain and pasteurized sub, put it in the tub, then add a thin layer of just pasteurized sub to the surface?
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: root9]
#19057845 - 10/30/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't give it any heat. 69 degrees outside the tub means its roughly 76 in the tub which is good. Just wait it out and don't check on it. Ive had trays colonizing at 60 degrees and been fine. it just takes longer. 11 days is nothing, My last tray took a month to colonize and it the ratio spawn to bulk was 1:3
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sharkdiver
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: root9]
#19057993 - 10/30/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i added a thin layer to cover exposed grains.think i should leave that off next time?
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sharkdiver
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: McShroomin]
#19058010 - 10/30/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cool. thanks. what about covering the exposed grains w/ the thin layer of bulk. good idea?
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: sharkdiver]
#19058018 - 10/30/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For cubes I avoid the top layer, for the bucket tek its hard to give a timeline but a proper pasturization gives you two weeks, stop messing with it and check on it next week
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sharkdiver
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: cronicr]
#19058078 - 10/30/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok. bout to lay next tub and going to take your advise and leave off the top. thanks
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: sharkdiver]
#19058091 - 10/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Best of luck to you
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: cronicr]
#19058277 - 10/30/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: For cubes I avoid the top layer, for the bucket tek its hard to give a timeline but a proper pasturization gives you two weeks, stop messing with it and check on it next week
i usually see full colonization in a week to 10 days on my 66qt tubs with a 1:2 spawn ratio (pastuerized substrate).
RR has said on here before myc likes to have its food cooked just like we do. pastuerization will help speed up your colonization, as well as letting light get to your tubs. no need to have em all wrapped up like they are.
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19058473 - 10/30/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i hate to add any discouraging words, but all my successful monos have reached full or at least damn near 99% total colonization by day 7. By day 10, should definitely be fully colonized. The ones that haven't colonized in that time period have all eventually succumbed to contamination (either mold or bacterial, but I could always tell the bacterial ones early on by the smell, I just let them sit for awhile hoping it would go away lol but it never does)
Good on you starting another project - if it were me personally I wouldn't expect anything outta this one.
eta: I never put an extra layer of sub coating as a "top layer" - this is not necessary at all, I just mix everything up together (sub and grains) as evenly as possible and leave it be, works fine barring any other problems that are my own fault (improper pasteurization, hidden contam in grain jar) but even then the top layer of sub would do nothing to help those things.
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sharkdiver
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19063840 - 10/31/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm having the same thoughts about it taking too long to colonize and contams taking over in the long run. For the future though: RR say's never let grains be exposed. I am confused about whether it is best to mix sub and add a thin layer to cover exposed grains or just mix it all together. Can you explain the reason why I should do it or not. I get the fact it will colonize quicker without top layer.Thanks
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: sharkdiver]
#19069101 - 11/01/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i used to use a top layer of substrate when i first started because i was afraid of contams taking over the exposed grains but i started seeing better results and less contams after i stopped doing it. now days i never use a top layer, and usually only see a contam if i get my substrate too hot during pasteurization and am too lazy to make up a new batch. if your tubs colonize quicker there will be less time for a contam to take hold. that said, i wouldnt toss that tub out though. give it another week and see how its lookin. if i recall correctly i ran through a few tubs using damion's bucket tek that took almost a month to colonize. i think the lesson to be learned here is that spending the time 2 pasteurize is definitely worth it
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19097865 - 11/06/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Posts: 39 Loc: nc Last seen: 3 seconds Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PirateSwazey] #19097862 - 11/06/13 11:31 PM (3 seconds ago) Edit postEdit Reply to this postReply Reply to this postQuote Quick ReplyQuick Reply
doing a proper pasteurize this weekend where I have access to do it. The 50/50 bucket still has few colonized spots. 95% though at 3 weeks. I'll be back in 5 days and plan to put it into fruit conditions then. we"ll see if contams win or the bucket tek ( even though not proper) will work after a longer colonization period down the road. It looks incredibly healthy. What would tek/recipe would you run with GT and PE spawn with proper pasteurization? I have on hand: poo/verm,peat,lime,gypsum,coir and wanted to spawn to straw. what"s a good mix of above ingredients for sub and should I then case and with what exactly. thanks i'm bouncing tomorrow so any answer asap would be fan fuckin tastic. Much Appreciated
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: sharkdiver]
#19098448 - 11/06/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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put ur substrate in jars or a big turkey bag... uses a meat thermometer... putit in a pot of water and heat till it hit 140 degreese... turn heat off... make sure it hangs out between 140-160 degrees for atleasts 1 hour.... donezo
i use 1 brick coir... 3 quart verm... 1/2 quart gypsum ... 4& 1/2 quart water...6 or 7 quart spwan... works a very niiice
Edited by PirateSwazey (11/06/13 11:57 PM)
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19098515 - 11/07/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: put ur substrate in jars or a big turkey bag... uses a meat thermometer... putit in a pot of water and heat till it hit 140 degreese... turn heat off... make sure it hangs out between 140-160 degrees for atleasts 1 hour.... donezo
i use 1 brick coir... 3 quart verm... 1/2 quart gypsum ... 4& 1/2 quart water...6 or 7 quart spwan... works a very niiice
What he said. ALSO, make sure the therm is in the MIDDLE of the bag, jar, w/e. I had an issue where my probe for my digital meat therm was in the bottom of the bag and reading a temp almost 9deg f higher than the internal temp.
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: MastaBlastar]
#19099032 - 11/07/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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really? I have always gone with 2 quarts of vermiculite. I have been throwing in a cup of Perlite too though to fluff it up a bit.
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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19099045 - 11/07/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: i use 1 brick coir... 3 quart verm... 1/2 quart gypsum ... 4& 1/2 quart water...6 or 7 quart spwan... works a very niiice

Edited by klak1212 (11/07/13 05:26 AM)
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PirateSwazey



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Re: mono 11 days & 50% colonized. too slow? [Re: klak1212]
#19099543 - 11/07/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it'll b ok man.
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