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GoldenEye
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Does the psychedelic experience change over time?
#19057120 - 10/30/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would like to hear some experiences of people that have tripped over 100 times or so. Does the nature of the psychedelic experience change with increased exposure to the psychedelic state?
Of course mister Stan Grof had a well known opinion on this. His views are somewhere along this line:
When you trip you deal with superficial trauma's first, diving deeper and deeper until you end up at the birth trauma. After that you might experience some rebirth cycles. In the end the themes of the trips become more transpersonal.
What do all the experienced trippers on this board think?
Has the nature of the psychedelic experience changed for you over the years?
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: GoldenEye]
#19057194 - 10/30/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me it went like this.
When I started tripping I was incredibly curious. The trips were fascinating. That's the best way to describe it. My mind was in a suspended state of fascination. Then after many trips the fascination wore off and I would just enjoy the experience. As I kept tripping (on LSD) I started to get a little sick of the feeling and I hated the comedown. After at least 100 trips, over about 3 years my main thought during the comedown was "why did I do this?" I started to shy away from the thought of tripping. Instead of finding reasons to trip, I would find reasons not to trip, and I stopped. Over the decades I got curious again and now my trips are few and far between, the way they should be. And I only do shrooms, which I had the pleasure of growing. I know it's safe and I can get to sleep afterwards which I could never do on LSD.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: Universe]
#19057569 - 10/30/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the trips change with age. When i was a teenager it was full of adventure and laughs. Now I trip alone and don't really venture outside as much. I still laugh to myself but the experience has changed. I think more about my life and how to better it how i could of went about a situation a little different. Its not negative just a new learning experience.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: aw11driver]
#19057711 - 10/30/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with Aw11driver
Been at this 'hobby' for over 30 years
As a teen, had no real life experience but thought you know so much (ha!) ... Recreational trips and a new experiences.... Sex, drugs and rock &roll Harder to trip well through my later 20's and even 30's, so many life events going on... Stress, worries, etc.
Later in life, things are settled and secure... Trips are more inner self, learning, exploring, spiritual Not paranoid... Able to be in the moment...
So yes... Does change... Which isnt surprising really, you change so your Set changes
Never say "I am done with psychedelics", say more "ready for a break"
Just my thoughts
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: HarryL]
#19057957 - 10/30/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's awesome someone else brought up stanislav grof, I read doorway to the numinous, and learned more from that book about all of this than my hundreds of hours online. This is something I was just talking about in a different thread, something I noticed for the first time for me, is that most trips have extreme similarities, until you break through that last layer, and that happened for me for the first time recently, broke into some repressed memory that I hadn't realized most of my other trips had been working on, and so far my experiences have absolutely changed, but cant say for certain yet. stanislav is awesome, probably the most important book ive ever read for understanding the whole psychedelic process, which is damn important if you want to use them successfully. im going to start another of his books, but don't know which one yet.
Im also curious about how he was talking about how pretty much all psychotic breakdowns and hppd and just most negative after effects of psychedelic use for some are basically just a layer of repressed trauma or memories or whatever starting to be peeled away, but not allowing the full process to unfold throughout the trip, thus leaving it half tended to and basically poisoning the users psyche for some time afterwards, and can be cured by taking more, and allowing the process to unfold. That was my understanding, and a piece of info that seems important, but wonder how true that could be for everyone out there.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: solo11]
#19057989 - 10/30/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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solo11 said: That's awesome someone else brought up stanislav grof, I read doorway to the numinous, and learned more from that book about all of this than my hundreds of hours online.
Oh sweet, I just ordered that book, it should be arriving today. Now I'm even more excited haha.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: Acidreamer]
#19058032 - 10/30/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have that book on my shelf but haven't started it yet.
Yes the psychedelic changes over time, everything in your life changes over time
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: solo11]
#19058058 - 10/30/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had done mushrooms about 12 times before I first tried LSD.
The mushroom trips were mostly dealing with daily life problems that were relatively easily accesible and noticable. Not being in the right field of research whilst studying chemistry for instance, or a tendency to want more and more of everything.
LSD however.., different story. It took me right back to repressed traumatic material and left me with severe after effects for months.
It took me 9 months before I dared to take mushrooms again. Doing so removed all the nasty after effects (depression, anxiety, lack of motivation, feelings of meaninglessness and despair) and made me happy again.
I've had quite a few mushroom trips after that LSD experience and only one of them has dealt with the same repressed traumatic event that the LSD brought to the surface.
I feel that it has been worked through for a large part.
The change I have noticed in my short psychedelic carreer is that mushrooms now, after that LSD experience, tend to be more transpersonal. They used to be about daily worries. They are now more about general world/otherworldly issues.
It is a new realm to discover but I kind of miss the strong connection to concrete problems. Viewing them from a different angle was always so relieving and insightful.
I feel that the lessons I am being taught now are much more abstract. There isn't really any way left to vocalise or rationalise what I have learned. I just feel more open, relaxed and stress free if I trip regularly.
I guess in summary:
Psychedelics are no longer a problem solver, they are a reminder that I already carry all the answers to all the problems within. If there even were any problems to begin with!
I think that summarizes my current perspective. Does anyone recognise that?
Edited by GoldenEye (10/30/13 02:55 PM)
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: koinkedink]
#19058071 - 10/30/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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koinkedink said: Yes the psychedelic changes over time, everything in your life changes over time
Yeah, that question was kind of rhetoric wasn't it.
I am just very interested to see how people would express this change. There must be personal differences and global trends. I'm interested to see if we can discover some.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: Universe]
#19058110 - 10/30/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Universe said: Over the decades I got curious again and now my trips are few and far between, the way they should be. And I only do shrooms, which I had the pleasure of growing. I know it's safe and I can get to sleep afterwards which I could never do on LSD.
So the curiosity returned.
What about the content or the character of the trips, has that changed?
Is your curiosity still being fed? If it is I suppose somehting must have changed..?
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: GoldenEye]
#19058953 - 10/30/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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solo11 said: That's awesome someone else brought up stanislav grof, I read doorway to the numinous, and learned more from that book about all of this than my hundreds of hours online.
Oh sweet, I just ordered that book, it should be arriving today. Now I'm even more excited haha.
Cool. Good luck, took me forever to get through, written by a doctor, got a lot of strange technical stuff in the middle that isn't explained well at all, if you can figure it out, great, but you don't have to, it gets to the awesome universal stuff more towards the end, kinda hard to get through, but theres a lot you can take away from it.
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GoldenEye said: LSD however.., different story. It took me right back to repressed traumatic material and left me with severe after effects for months.
I think this is why they have done more studies with LSD for psychiatric issues and whatnot than any of the others, a quote from the book "These substances seem to function as relatively unspecific amplifiers that increase the cathexis (energetic charge) associated with the deep unconscious contents of the psyche and make them available for conscious processing" Later somewhere he basically states that LSD is the most efficient at this. which I think is why there is more issues with it. But anyway, I think just like the psychedelic experience morphes within each experience, it does so as well over the long haul of multiple years of using.
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: GoldenEye]
#19059487 - 10/30/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would like to hear some experiences of people that have tripped over 100 times or so. Does the nature of the psychedelic experience change with increased exposure to the psychedelic state?
With over a thousand mushroom trips...yes the experience changes. It gradually intensifies IME. I mean, that's one hell of a lot of trip time, and you'd got to figure some effect no matter what. 
Unless I put a lot of time in between trips, there's much less autobiographical material to deal with...because it's all been dealt with already. That in itself is a huge benefit if, say, you want to do some sort of work when you trip and not just revisit the past...
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Im also curious about how he was talking about how pretty much all psychotic breakdowns and hppd and just most negative after effects of psychedelic use for some are basically just a layer of repressed trauma or memories or whatever starting to be peeled away, but not allowing the full process to unfold throughout the trip, thus leaving it half tended to and basically poisoning the users psyche for some time afterwards, and can be cured by taking more, and allowing the process to unfold. That was my understanding, and a piece of info that seems important, but wonder how true that could be for everyone out there.
This is absolutely true IME but try telling that to somebody who can't let go and embrace it. 
Try either of these books by Grof - both are excellent: 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (10/30/13 07:43 PM)
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19059566 - 10/30/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
#19059581 - 10/30/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those be the original variety actually. Need to grow some more like that, Gimli's getting a bit of cabin fever... 
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Re: Does the psychedelic experience change over time? [Re: GoldenEye]
#19059763 - 10/30/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it has changed with age. I am young but the experiences are always different and more profound. I think it has to do with life experience.
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