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Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines
    #19056575 - 10/30/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

which do you prefer and why?


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: BWza]
    #19056582 - 10/30/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: BWza] * 1
    #19056584 - 10/30/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

phens are more enjoyable and fun and bonding and stuff for me. Tryptamines are more visual and have kinda un uncomfortable "alien" feel to them for me.

I like both for different reasons. Mushrooms and cacti are my two main psychedelics these days.

Also I would say I find phens more stimulating, where tryptamines make me feel kinda drowsy. Although the after effect of tryptamines can be stimulating.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19056644 - 10/30/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Phenethylamines are my choice. They arent as mindfucking as Tryptamines in terms of being transported to a different universe all together. They allow me to just view the world as if it had a different dimension to it, not go to a different dimension altogether.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19056668 - 10/30/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: rikuni]
    #19056715 - 10/30/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Rikuni lysergamides are probably somewhere between phens and tryptamines mentally aren't they?


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19056882 - 10/30/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like natural tryptamines like DMT and mushrooms a lot. Not so much 4-aco-dmt. And i like the few synthetic phenethylamines ive tried a LOT. I love the ability to be tripping out hardcore and still extremely lucid. I feel that a while ago i may have liked them both equally for different reasons. I think i may have burnt myself out on the tryptamines though. Too much DMT and it starts getting weird. I just feel my mind slipping every time and have to make a large effort to keep myself on track


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19056912 - 10/30/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The setting has alot to do with it if im at home by myself give me mushrooms hands down

But if im headed to a show im gonna take some nbome


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19057125 - 10/30/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Phenethylamines are more for recreation. Usually they are kinda speedy and mostly just get you fucked up. No real meaning, no introspective life analyzation. Just high and fun.

It I want a life changing trip, tryptamines are the drug of choice.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19057270 - 10/30/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Phenethylamines are more for recreation. Usually they are kinda speedy and mostly just get you fucked up. No real meaning, no introspective life analyzation. Just high and fun.

It I want a life changing trip, tryptamines are the drug of choice.




I agree with this... the phenethylamines I've tried have all been very speed-like and hyper, and they usually induce very visual and stimulating trips. They never gave me any interesting psychedelic headspace like tryptamines do, so I definitely prefer tryptamines. I haven't gotten any fascinating or insightful thoughts on phenethylamines at all, so they bore me to an extent.

LSD and mushrooms are my best friends~ :tongue2:
I do prefer tryptamines, but I'll have to see if my opinion changes once I try mescaline!


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: MindDrips]
    #19057762 - 10/30/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LSD, It's got both!!  Love that little molecule!!


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
    #19058006 - 10/30/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Tryptamines make me feel like I'm losing my mind, while phens (or cactus juice, haven't had any others...) seems to help me pick up the pieces of my mind and put it all back together.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: The Centre]
    #19060049 - 10/30/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mescaline will make your mind escape if you consume enough


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19062711 - 10/31/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i drank ayahuasca and did some mescaline in the same night. i drank the tea and let the peak settle down then i consumed powdered mescaline afterwards and within 10 minutes i was launched. i love the feeling of love you get from the DMT but i absolutely hate the numbness that the phenels cause. like physical numbness, like touching my arm but it feels like a completely foriegn object. but the intense visuals you get from the mesc is what i am inlove with. i truly is a great party drug. its amazing to take it in a room full of peoople and watch the trails and colors and warpaint fly across everyones face and just being able to notice every little insecurity in them due to body language giving off that every vibe. but those are the people i like to sit next to and consume there anxiety while im tripping. i really feel extra powerful mentally with tryptamines and i feel like i can really help someone get over issue while im on DMT because my mind is just soooo on point. LSD is really the only thing that makes my brain feel like BLAH FART. just that drained feeling. but with phenels and DMT i just feel supernatural. just extremely fucking smart on them. and ive tripped with many many people and most people usualy become overwhelmed with anything i give them. their brain just stops working and they can no longer form sentences as to where when i take them, i can dance around all night long knowing exactly what that thought is racing thru my mind. life is beautiful guys. but if im at a party i love the 2c whatevers and if im alone, i love mushrooms or DMT. but if i had a choice to pick one to take every weekend for free but it had to be one or the other, honestly i would pick DMT. i just feel its a better teacher. and really grabs a hold of you and forces the truths to come out. its wonderful. but honestly from now on whenever i do drink the brew, i will now start adding the mesc powder to it becasue i really really enjoyed doing them together. it was just the most amazing trip ive ever had. i really made some progress with self evaluation that night and im a lot more motivated because im choosing to cling to the thoughts i had that night and not forget it in hopes that my glow will always show and not be left in the past all because i had a moment of weakness and took the wrong path.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: BWza]
    #19065972 - 10/31/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised to hear you say that about LSD. There are many other chemicals going around these days masquerading as LSD that lead to much more BLAH FART feels for me. Do you think there is any possibility that you may have taken one of those, thinking it to be LSD? I will say that the aftereffects of good LSD can be that way for me, but not the trip at all. I would set my mental clarity spectrum at mescaline>LSD>tryptamines


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19066001 - 10/31/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm surprised to hear you say that about LSD. There are many other chemicals going around these days masquerading as LSD that lead to much more BLAH FART feels for me. Do you think there is any possibility that you may have taken one of those, thinking it to be LSD? I will say that the aftereffects of good LSD can be that way for me, but not the trip at all. I would set my mental clarity spectrum at mescaline>LSD>tryptamines




I've had moments where LSD made me feel pretty fucking stupid. I didn't get the feeling so much with nbome except on the comedown, but that was likely due to pulling an all nighter, smoking a hell a lot of weed, doing a hell a lot of nitrous, and raging extremely hard all night long and staying up to watch the temple burn at 7am (was a burn festival)


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19066034 - 10/31/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I've had mindfuck experiences on LSD before for sure, but I would say I have them much more frequently with mushrooms.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19066149 - 10/31/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I've had mindfuck experiences on LSD before for sure, but I would say I have them much more frequently with mushrooms.




Im the complete opposite, then again i haven't taken mushrooms in a couple years now. I have 4-aco-dmt though and stick by the same personal opinion. LSD is like thought loop mania


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19066164 - 10/31/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that seems to be kinda how it goes with these things. Maybe depends on brain chemistry or some other factors that we don't understand.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19066202 - 10/31/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LSD is super clear headed for me, while mushrooms mindfuck me into incompetence.  DMT is too spiritual to be social for me, very personal experiences.


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    #19066206 - 10/31/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19066220 - 10/31/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ergolines! Versatility.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19066246 - 10/31/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah that seems to be kinda how it goes with these things. Maybe depends on brain chemistry or some other factors that we don't understand.




I think past experience plays a big part as well as the inability to clearly compare doses. For example, my first nightmare trip was on LSD and was circumstantial and so i have this stigma attached to it. Also, those tabs were fucking ridiculous so who knows how hard i've tripped on mushrooms in comparison. You think you've got this shit figured out, but tripping as a whole is such a big mindfuck it's like every heavy trip is "the heaviest you've ever tripped". There's no way to quantify levels of "fucked up" for accurate comparison.

Just a couple thoughts. But yeah, brain chemistry too. I tend to be a little backwards chemistry wise on some things. Weed fucks me up more than anything, benzos don't do much at all for my anxiety, etc.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19066298 - 10/31/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Phens, trypts, and ergolines. lovem all. though two of my top three substances are Phens.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: themusicofzann]
    #19066339 - 10/31/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Phens, trypts, and ergolines. lovem all. though two of my top three substances are Phens.




Out of curiosity what are these? i have recently fallen in love with phens and would like to explore them further


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: themusicofzann]
    #19066341 - 10/31/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The people who are saying ergolines mean to say lysergamides, as there are many non-psychoactive ergolines (lysergamides are a subgroup of ergolines).* The only ergolines that have been verified as being psychoactive, thus far, are the lysergamides. But I don't think it's accurate to even include lysergamides in the context of tryptamines and phenethyalmines. I think it's a completely different type of category. Actually, I don't know. If lysergamides are truly a unique combination of tryptamines and phenethylamines, then I guess it's fine to include them all in the same context. Shulgin puts the lysergamides in his tryptamines book (TIHKAL). Does he make a comment about this?


*All of these are ergolines (see the very last line). Many of them are not psychoactive:




Chao & Der Marderosian.

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowRefTopFrame&ID=7692&DocPartID=6807


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    #19066507 - 10/31/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good grief, psychedelic psychoactive ergolines. Happy?

I think they fit happily into this debate, it'd be a shame to leave them out of this age old debate.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19067525 - 11/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I wonder how lsz would be :eek: Sounds pretty interesting if ya ask me....


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: Ganja420Boy]
    #19068720 - 11/01/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just wish we didn't have to test chemicals with a legit government narcotics lab to actually know what they are. Because of them being banned, that's the only way to really know.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19068728 - 11/01/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so lsd is a trypt and phen?


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: BWza]
    #19068865 - 11/01/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

From a thread discussing whether LSD is a phenethylamine or tryptamine:

"it's an ergoline, with either a tryptamine or phenethylamine group, depending on how you look at it. it has much higher affinity for the 5HT subtypes, indicating the tryptamine functional group is probably more relevant on its mode of action (it actually acts on several neurotransmitter systems)

ergoline is the backbone structure.
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Hit up the search for more info, there's pretty good arguments both ways.  But they sem to all agee it has the tryptamine structure atleast.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
    #19069028 - 11/01/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't really tried too many phenethylamines, but I think I might like them more than tryptamines.  Phens have a sort of loving and motherly vibe to them, whereas tryptamines are more in your face and mind fucky.  IME at least.

I still prefer acid over phenethylamines and tryptamines.


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Re: Phenethylamines vs. Tryptamines [Re: mattritt]
    #19069836 - 11/01/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to find that for me, mushrooms make my mind wander in an objective way: I can think things out clearly and work many issues out at once in my head. However, LSD makes my mind wander in more of a dreamy way; I think about interesting things, and then my train of thought gets derailed and I start thinking about raccoons or something... haha.


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