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eve69
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Points to be learned: (a) don't have an ego (then no guilt) (b) you're just a stupid pathetic little human (c) God is eternity (so you can be a pathetic stupid little human as long as you fucking damn well please (d) God is not bored which is why he wills his holy spirit to make Jesus act like a duplicitous asshole, leading to his torture...
and a million remakes of the "I'm so misunderstood, everybody is against me" thang.
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Chronic7
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: eve69]
#19030319 - 10/25/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
I'd say that belief is incorrect because god couldn't really be bored or lonely because they both require that you see something as other than yourself, there can't be god & something else that is other than god, its humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless
The way i see it is that infinite energy creates because it is infinite energy, potential must be realized, but at the same time nothing ever happens, there is no actual creation, this is not real
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19030347 - 10/25/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
This is the way I see it.
God is existence itself - the eternal sole reality.
Existence (or reality itself) has two aspects to itself; consciousness and consciousness. Hence there are two aspects of God. God unconscious of himself and God conscious of himself as the sole reality.
The creation does not come from God on purpose, it is an accident of which happens itself. The reason is that it comes from the infinite unconscious aspect of God. So God cannot be bored yet because in his unconscious state he has no consciousness and no mind.
Something unexplainable happens within the infinite unconsciousness of which triggers the most basic form of consciousness possible, it is the first division within the indivisible sea of unconsciousness. God needs to perceive something other than himself in order to attain consciousness. The universe is that imagined or perceived "other" which makes consciousness possible for God. It results in a chain of evolving consciousness.. stones and metals, plants and trees, apes and us. An evolving and changing stream of perception makes way for higher and higher states of self-awareness. The final state of reality is God as infinite consciousness which is completely still and motionless. It is the original state of God except now there is consciousness instead of none. We are not at this state of consciousness because we are caught up in the illusory screen of perception of which we are unconsciously projecting.
Most people are mistakenly convinced that the objects of there perception (sense experiences) are what really exist, completely disregarding perception itself as real. In fact it is perception itself which creates the objects of which we perceive, nothing would exist without perception - it is fundamental.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
#19030493 - 10/25/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Chronic said:
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
I'd say that belief is incorrect because god couldn't really be bored or lonely because they both require that you see something as other than yourself, there can't be god & something else that is other than god, its humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless
The way i see it is that infinite energy creates because it is infinite energy, potential must be realized, but at the same time nothing ever happens, there is no actual creation, this is not real
Well if I'm bored then god is bored according to your views.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19030507 - 10/25/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your right, god playing as a person can get bored
What i meant is god as reality, absolute, infinity itself can not be bored or lonely because there is no other to think of
If you think then you can become lots of things including bored or lonely, if you don't think then you are totally whole
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
#19030523 - 10/25/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just read a very interesting piece on the origins of boredom in humans. It makes total sense we'd get bored often from a survival standpoint.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19030582 - 10/25/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i used to sometimes get the feeling of being bored with absolutely everything
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19031443 - 10/25/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
Except that a lot of theologians maintain that creativity and love are of the essential nature of Deity, and that creation is by 'necessity,' not by choice. Creation has to flow from Deity, and it is not simply a matter of deciding to create (from boredom or any other human attribute) and forgetting about it (like the "Divine Clock-Maker" Deists suggested), but as the Hindus have contributed to the discussion, God is Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer, so creation is a continuous process, as is the preservation and destruction. Stars die all the time, as well as being born. Any life on planets near a nova or supernova are gonna die too. Physicists have noted that photons seem to appear out of the vacuum of deep space. They may 'bubble up' from the "Quantum foam" that is designated as the most basic level of space-time.
The Kabbalists suggest that God retracted Its Infinite Being, omnidirectionally, to create a singularity, no larger than a mathematical point, which is to say Zero dimensions. It served like a vacuole in an amoeba, which retracts its cytoplasm to create a space, a bubble in itself. The 4th dimensional universe of energy which later cooled to form matter, expanded from this singularity, and can continue to expand (theoretically) into the Infinite Being of God (1) forever, or (2) expands until it dissipates and halts, (3) halts retracts again into a Singularity, (4) halts eventually and simply burns out leaving matter but nothing more energetic, (5) continues to accelerate as it seems to be doing, maybe attaining to the speed of light or beyond, both of which exceeds any human comprehension.
Our own dreamscapes can never burst out of an unbounded mind (mind has zero dimension, it is not a substance that occupies space-time either), and the expanding universe can also continue to expand, creating as it expands. There is no 'beyond' the horizon of the expanding universe, nothing exists yet. It is the Unmanifest Godhead, "...without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep..." - Genesis 1:2.
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Hmm, my mind immediately went to Bhrama sleeping & Pralaya, creation and destruction, cyclic time etc. when I read the OP, but I didn't bother elaborating.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19035305 - 10/26/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why must boredom be a problem? Kick back, relax, enjoy the ride.
Trust me, just open your mouth and close those eyes.
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I like the analogy that God is a Titan running and the universe is his heartbeat expanding and contracting. The truth is that there are a thousand thousand titans running a multiverse of existence, and they could give a fuck less what we're doing on this rock. They're busy running to keep all of this existing.
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The truth is
Better get in line.
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Trust me, just open your mouth and close those eyes. 
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
#19057046 - 10/30/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: ...it's humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless...
Well said. And always worth remembering.
To believe in a God who is "other" is to project your longings and desires into the heavens and see their reflection there. The whole Judeo/Christian creation myth is a reflection of what we long for the most, and what we fear the most.
The God myth is simply that -- a myth. And that's okay. Human beings are by nature myth-tellers and myth-believers.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19061676 - 10/31/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What good would there be in existence if there wouldn't be something /-one else around to be, experience and recognize it ?
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19061899 - 10/31/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I weep for god.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
Except that a lot of theologians maintain that creativity and love are of the essential nature of Deity, and that creation is by 'necessity,' not by choice. Creation has to flow from Deity, and it is not simply a matter of deciding to create (from boredom or any other human attribute) and forgetting about it (like the "Divine Clock-Maker" Deists suggested), but as the Hindus have contributed to the discussion, God is Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer, so creation is a continuous process, as is the preservation and destruction. Stars die all the time, as well as being born. Any life on planets near a nova or supernova are gonna die too. Physicists have noted that photons seem to appear out of the vacuum of deep space. They may 'bubble up' from the "Quantum foam" that is designated as the most basic level of space-time.
The Kabbalists suggest that God retracted Its Infinite Being, omnidirectionally, to create a singularity, no larger than a mathematical point, which is to say Zero dimensions. It served like a vacuole in an amoeba, which retracts its cytoplasm to create a space, a bubble in itself. The 4th dimensional universe of energy which later cooled to form matter, expanded from this singularity, and can continue to expand (theoretically) into the Infinite Being of God (1) forever, or (2) expands until it dissipates and halts, (3) halts retracts again into a Singularity, (4) halts eventually and simply burns out leaving matter but nothing more energetic, (5) continues to accelerate as it seems to be doing, maybe attaining to the speed of light or beyond, both of which exceeds any human comprehension.
Our own dreamscapes can never burst out of an unbounded mind (mind has zero dimension, it is not a substance that occupies space-time either), and the expanding universe can also continue to expand, creating as it expands. There is no 'beyond' the horizon of the expanding universe, nothing exists yet. It is the Unmanifest Godhead, "...without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep..." - Genesis 1:2.
This was gonna be my answer only markos said it better.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Deviate]
#19073962 - 11/02/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this reality is boring, but we can do real things. Seems god would have been highly ammused by the intensly powerful hallucinations. God doens't seem to have much to do with real life. Nothing changes cause of god, so god might as well as not exist....and probably doesn't exist.
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