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InvisibleCactilove
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Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd?
    #19055518 - 10/30/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I enjoy living in America. I enjoy the relative freedom that we seem to have. I like that I am able to decide where I want to work, where I want to live, how I want to talk, and what I want to think. Now I realize that this last statement can be watered down. One can argue that I only have the freedom to do these things because I was born into fortunate circumstances, not solely because I am an American. There does however seem to be nations that are better suited in allowing for such circumstances. 
What I am getting at is that I feel a sense of pride in living in this country. I love my family, I love my friends and I don't seem to mind most of the people most of the time. In fact, I would say that If I didn't know them I would take the chance of putting myself into harms way to save them. I would like to think that I would fight to defend the people I love in the face of a serious threat.
Now, I don't really want to come off as a die-hard patriot that is simply wanking his self to the idea of being more morally righteous.
This is not really the overall theme of this thread. What I am attempting to question is divisive nationalism. The type where one would think that their culture is inherently better then another, more morally just, or even backed by god. Many of them draw a sense of pride from historical battles won by previous generations. Some may say, "We kicked the nazi's ass in world war two!"
Now who the fuck is WE? Neither you nor me were even alive back then. We didn't do shit. It just seems odd to me that just because someone was born in a certain geographical location that you feel you are involved in something really wonderful.
A good metaphor would be football or some shit. These football fans are going to games screaming up a storm and rooting for the home team and they have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game. I don't think there is anything wrong with non-exclusivist nationalism. It's ok to be proud that your uncle fought in world war two. It's ok to enjoy the freedoms that you do have in your country. But, to feel like you are a part of a superior nation because you happened to pop out of mom's vag at a certain special place or time seems weird to me.

Why do people feel pride for things they don't have control over?

I don't know maybe this post is bullshit, just wondering if anyone has felt that way.:shrug:


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Cactilove] * 1
    #19055557 - 10/30/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And THAT is why I don't care about sports.


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Cactilove]
    #19056235 - 10/30/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To me it's simple DA, us against them. :shrug:


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Icelander]
    #19056496 - 10/30/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Icelander]
    #19057072 - 10/30/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I suppose, it's just strange it would manifest in such a way. Especially considering that type of mentality can lead to fights, which may in turn lead to death.:shrug:


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Cactilove]
    #19057088 - 10/30/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course, and that's why Ernest Becker's work and TMT are described by some as a science of evil.


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: White Beard]
    #19057246 - 10/30/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Has a nice ring to it. :satansmoking:


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Cactilove] * 1
    #19062541 - 10/31/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Self identity. People like to add things to their self. Like I am an American, a Greenbay fan, a republican, a feminist, I believe in this and I don't believe in that, I like jiffy pop, microbrews, witch craft, big breast porn and bombing the fuck out of third world countries.

Its very useful to advertising companies and politicians.


Its an ironic thing because we identify with things because we are insecure, yet identification adds more more things to be afraid of losing.


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Re: Isn't exclusivist nationalism odd? [Re: Cactilove] * 1
    #19062667 - 10/31/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've often openly made fun of this very thing you're talking about, I find it silly. (and somewhat entertaining)

I pretty much agree with Ice, tribalism at its finest driven by DA.

What are they really if they are not these abstract concepts? I think the ambiguity is too uncomfortable for most people to bear.


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