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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: lwheidt]
    #19150051 - 11/17/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ill let someone else use their dmt as shroom food, and Ill stick to smoking dmt.





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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19182512 - 11/24/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could try it, but i don't think that a DMT enriched substrate will give you much more than a placebo. IMO just do a "normal" grow and extract the DMT from your chips.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: letterbomb325]
    #19182600 - 11/24/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are articles/literature regarding the biosynthesis of various substituted tryptamines when grown on a substrate containing the necessary precursor. However it is largely unexplored territory and a big gamble.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Hudson]
    #19182630 - 11/24/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its not too big of a gamble, in fact it would be for the good of the shroomery community whether or not anything happened. I would say go for it!!!!!


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Psychonaut6]
    #19199950 - 11/28/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds interesting, but even if there was some sort of effect on the mushrooms grown in this method, DMT ingested orally is not active unless taken with an MAOI.  Mimosa is typically used for direct extraction or prepared with an MAOI of some sort...as in Auyahuasca.  Good thought though!


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Umberton]
    #19206089 - 11/29/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It seems very unlikely to me that mushrooms would take up DMT and then convert it into any orally active substance...if that is what you desire, supplement with tryptamine instead.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: sytar]
    #19299887 - 12/19/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting! might be worth a try if I can make time for it. I'll keep you guys posted if it goes down.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Psychonaut6]
    #19331426 - 12/27/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There was a theory that growing psilocybes in a substrate with DMT producing matter could increase tryptamine levels in the fungi (Ala Gartz)

I did this last season, with subsecotioides, using Red Canary Grass seed (Phalaris) which grew into grass, and completely meshed with the fungi substrate to the point that it was difficult to see anything other than grass roots.

When the fruits came, the results were, how should I put it, .............. spectacular in the extreme.

Something to keep in mind is you don't have a hope in hell of retrieving any substrate at a later date.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Bluing]
    #19333527 - 12/27/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: rhizoRider]
    #19341803 - 12/29/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

why not take an non psychedelic edible wood loving species and grow it for a few generations on mimosa, theoretically to build up the tryptamine content in the mushroom...

then take a dose of caapi, nom the shrooms and see if you blast off?

that seems like it would end any question about whether or not this would work...


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Paulsage]
    #19342606 - 12/29/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If the specific mushroom didn't synthesize or express tryptamines, why do you think that would work?


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Bluing]
    #19342787 - 12/29/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

obviously, this whole thing is speculative.  until i see a process with pics, that was repeated/can be repeated, I'm not willing to buy into any one theory.
the canary grass seems interesting...but perhaps it contained, coincidentally, just the right amount of nitrogen or other tyrptamine precursors.
when i put coffee in a substrate, like coir, i notice a little more potency, not much tho.  its enough to tell, but not enough that i couldn't completely rules out pure psychosomatics.  maybe next time ill do a blind comparison, because i knew which one was grown with coffee.


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: Bluing]
    #19343956 - 12/29/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If the specific mushroom didn't synthesize or express tryptamines, why do you think that would work?




i have no idea if it would work, that's why i said "theoretically"...  the idea being that if the mushroom was actually absorbing anything tryptamine related  it would be easier to detect...

just tossing some shit against a wall to see if something sticks...  :cool:


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Re: DMT cyan garden? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19348782 - 12/30/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Red Canary Grass is known to have relatively high levels of DMT in it, and Gartz proved that introducing increased tryptamine levels into substrate increased tryptamine expression in fruits of psilocybe fungi.


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