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hendrixboogie
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First flush successful, second flush halted?
#19054693 - 10/29/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey fellow shroomers! I've been lurking this site for about a month and have finally decided to post in the hope of some advice.
So I followed EvilMushroom666's pf tek guide and had some really good results for the first flush. After harvesting, I dunked the cakes for about 14 hours and put em back in my SGFC. I made sure to leave on any small pins before dunking because I've heard that after the dunk, those pins are part of the second flush.
Well its been about 3 days and there hasn't been any noticeable growth since dunking. I'm partially colorblind so I can't tell for sure, but there seems to be some odd coloring on the cakes. Could anyone shed some light and explain what's going on? Am I being too impatient for the second flush?
Pics: (the 7 cakes in the back are the ones in second flush)


Edit: How do I make pictures small and expand when you click on them?
Another side note: The first flush wasn't bad at all (happy I got anything TBH), but it didn't produce as many shrooms as I'd like. There was basically one huge shroom and a few (4 or 5) smaller shrooms on each cake. Could this be better and if so, how can I produce more?
Edited by hendrixboogie (10/29/13 10:37 PM)
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19054926 - 10/29/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You waited a bit too long to harvest the first flush and the spores dropped. That's why there's blackness everywhere. As soon as you see the "broken veil", you're supposed to pick it. Not really sure what the disadvantage of letting the shrooms drop spore, but I've heard someone say that the cake will think it doesn't have to grow anymore shrooms because it's "fulfilled it's duty".
Also... for better flushes... just baby them. Spray and fan often. Just as a precaution, I use H2O2 in my spray bottle. I play mine music too. :P
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: JanethTheGreat]
#19054967 - 10/29/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JanethTheGreat said: You waited a bit too long to harvest the first flush and the spores dropped. That's why there's blackness everywhere. As soon as you see the "broken veil", you're supposed to pick it. Not really sure what the disadvantage of letting the shrooms drop spore, but I've heard someone say that the cake will think it doesn't have to grow anymore shrooms because it's "fulfilled it's duty".
Also... for better flushes... just baby them. Spray and fan often. Just as a precaution, I use H2O2 in my spray bottle. I play mine music too. :P
When enough spores land on mycelium it releases a hormone throughout the network that tells it to consolidate again. That is the downside to letting spores drop on colonized substrates. Also, H2O2 will do more harm than good to your mycelium because it is in fact harmful to the mycelium as well as cobweb. If you don't have cobweb, it's not worth it.
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: jackalope9517]
#19055297 - 10/30/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up about the spores.
When you buy peroxide, it's usually only 3% anyways... I'm sure that STRAIGHT UP peroxide would kill anything... but 3% is appropriate. We're talking misting here. Not drowning.
H202 has benefited me greatly and my cakes are about to undergo their 3rd harvest. *shrug* The mushies in my signature were from the 2nd flush. I've never gotten a SINGLE contaminated cake and my cakes are as healthy as ever.
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: JanethTheGreat]
#19055340 - 10/30/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies. So are the cakes in the consolidation phase again or are they pretty much done for?
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19055405 - 10/30/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just give them more time. The second flush takes a few days to start to pin
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: Stromrider]
#19055415 - 10/30/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea honestly I'd say you're fine just wait a bit.
Patience is always key in this hobby.
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hendrixboogie
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: jackalope9517]
#19058395 - 10/30/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jackalope9517 said: Yea honestly I'd say you're fine just wait a bit.
Patience is always key in this hobby. 
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19058419 - 10/30/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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did you pick all of your pins in you first flush? Cause they will abort if you dont
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hendrixboogie
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: mudbutt]
#19066080 - 10/31/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mudbutt said: did you pick all of your pins in you first flush? Cause they will abort if you dont
Nope. I left most of the pins on. I've read many threads about how pins that are left after the first harvest are PART of the second flush. However, I do notice that maybe half of them aborted.
But the good news is, the cakes are back on track and looking sexier than ever. Time and patience are really the essentials of this hobby
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19066664 - 10/31/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's awesome. I've read to be patient a lot of times but its good to see it actually happen. With the pics you presented I thought to myself those cakes look f***ed lol. But you just gave it more time and some good came out! I will soon start my own grow, hopefully I'm as lucky or even close to what you've created!
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: Dirtygoat]
#19069513 - 11/01/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dirtygoat said: That's awesome. I've read to be patient a lot of times but its good to see it actually happen. With the pics you presented I thought to myself those cakes look f***ed lol. But you just gave it more time and some good came out! I will soon start my own grow, hopefully I'm as lucky or even close to what you've created!
I'm glad to give you some hope in your adventures I consider myself very lucky as I had absolutely zero contaminates even though I made 12 jars for my first grow. Goes to show that proper sanitizing and following guides word for word go quite a long way. Best of luck on your journey and good vibes
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19069762 - 11/01/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks like straight up trich to me. No one else?
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: hendrixboogie]
#19070524 - 11/01/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just curious hendrixboogie, when you dunked, did you dunk them in the refrigerator? That can slow things down for 2-3 days quite easily. If you did, next time dunk them at room temperature (in cold water) if possible.
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: luckee8989]
#19070565 - 11/01/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luckee8989 said: That looks like straight up trich to me. No one else?
No clear signs of trich but that bigger shroom in the second to last pic shows some serious signs of some sorta contam. COULD be bruising but just looks kinda weird and translucent
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: Skinty]
#19071014 - 11/01/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A couple of those cakes are looking kind of moldy, but it's hard to tell, it might just be normal bruising. To get those small pics that expand when you click on them, just upload your pics to your account (click "Pics" right next to "Account"), and then copy and paste the white box underneath each picture.
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Re: First flush successful, second flush halted? [Re: JanethTheGreat]
#19072130 - 11/01/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use H2O2 in my spray bottle. Also... for better flushes... just baby them. Spray and fan often. Just as a precaution, I use H2O2 in my spray bottle. I play mine music too.
Peroxide in a spray bottle for misting is NOT recommended except for cobweb outbreaks.
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When you buy peroxide, it's usually only 3% anyways... I'm sure that STRAIGHT UP peroxide would kill anything... but 3% is appropriate. We're talking misting here. Not drowning.
H202 has benefited me greatly and my cakes are about to undergo their 3rd harvest. *shrug* The mushies in my signature were from the 2nd flush. I've never gotten a SINGLE contaminated cake and my cakes are as healthy as ever.
Peroxide at "ONLY" 3% will melt mycellium on contact at a microscopic level. Of course you're not noticing contamination, you're killing the spores and weakening the mycellium. Please explain how this is such a great benefit!? And how are you judging "what's appropriate" from a scientific point of view. That little bit of harvest you put in your sig is what 1-2 healthy cakes should produce. All-in-all, don't give bunk advice to new growers. No experienced grower that I've heard from mists with peroxide.
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