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I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours?
    #19054389 - 10/29/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have boxes with Brf And Verm I have my syringes, waiting on some jars I ordered...this shit is going down


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ed94514]
    #19054423 - 10/29/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

make sure you know what size jars you have when you spawn to bulk.....half pints are not quarts!  :blush:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: SynKyd]
    #19054596 - 10/29/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just recently learned not to use too much water when pressure cooking the jars. Fucked up all mine cuz water got into the jars.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ShroomyJoe]
    #19054714 - 10/29/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

-Build your SGFC to spec, and don't skimp on the perlite :shrug:

-LC is a waste of time unless you inoculate it with agar, hence start with the agar :awesomenod:

-Spores101 is garbage as is Ralphsters :tongue:

-When pasteurizing place the jars into the water before it gets hot :lol:

-Cutting corners leads to contams :facepalm:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ShroomyJoe]
    #19054726 - 10/29/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My biggest set back was growing before i found the shroomery. Most dangerous of which was the false knowledge that shrooms from contamed cakes were perfectly safe to eat. FUCK YOU SPORES101!

After finding the shroomery, my biggest mistake was not using the search function enough.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19054755 - 10/29/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Most dangerous of which was the false knowledge that shrooms from contamed cakes were perfectly safe to eat.




Fruits that do not have mold or bacteria on them are perfectly safe to consume. Mycelium digests its food and will not pull bacteria from the substrate into the fruit the way plants do. Bacteria dies in the dehydrator anyway :shrug:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19054792 - 10/29/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mostly followed the advice from the great people on this site and RR's video series so I didn't make too many mistakes. I did however use the wrong jars for my first pf tek grow and they took forever to colonize.

I used the tall skinny 1/2 pint jars. On my second attempt I used the proper short fat "kerr" wide mouth jars and they colonized much quicker and fruited better.

A lot of people have trouble finding those wide mouth Kerr jars. You can get them at Ace hardware or off Amazon


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19054836 - 10/29/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Most dangerous of which was the false knowledge that shrooms from contamed cakes were perfectly safe to eat.




Fruits that do not have mold or bacteria on them are perfectly safe to consume. Mycelium digests its food and will not pull bacteria from the substrate into the fruit the way plants do. Bacteria dies in the dehydrator anyway :shrug:




Id be lying if i said they fruits were contam free.  And IIRC, eating fruits from contamed cakes can increase the chances of getting mushroom farmers sickness, since your eating/inhaling a huge amount of nasty spores. Especially with repeated doses.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19054884 - 10/29/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmmm...  mistakes I made....  When I inoculated, I didn't look until I was ready to actually do it and thought the syringe had an actual needle.  Instead, it's just kind of small metal tube that is WAAAY too big to be a needle.  Like, if you hold the syringe up and down, it just gushes out.  I didn't make my holes in the lids big enough so some jars only got hit once or twice with spore....  And a bunch of my spores leaked into the first 3 jars, and not much into the rest...  But I still got 9/12 successful jars.  My only contam was cobweb which is treatable.  The ones that failed just didn't do anything at all.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: JanethTheGreat]
    #19054920 - 10/29/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

KEEP THE FUCKING ANTS AWAY FROM YOUR BRF JARS!!! tyvek, tape, whatever - just make sure they can't climb in through the ventilation holes.

the little fuckers eat all the BRF and replace it with a wide selection of contaminants covering all the colours of the rainbow


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ShroomyJoe]
    #19055016 - 10/29/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I just recently learned not to use too much water when pressure cooking the jars. Fucked up all mine cuz water got into the jars.



How much water did you use


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #19055098 - 10/29/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I just recently learned not to use too much water when pressure cooking the jars. Fucked up all mine cuz water got into the jars.



How much water did you use





Too much :lol:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ed94514]
    #19055122 - 10/29/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If a project goes moldy, don't try to save it - which I know is hard if you have only one tub (or whatever) going on at the moment......

but it's not like you're just going to give up this hobby, there will be other projects!  and you'll probably end up with so many going at once that you won't be so devastated when one goes south.....

I used to try to do "jar surgery" if I had a moldy jar that wasn't too-too bad (flame up some tweezers and try to tweeze my myc chunk from a moldy jar and deposit into a clean one - guess how often THAT usually worked out??? really dumb.)  when you see mold, toss that shit and try to figure out what might have gone wrong and learn from it & better your technique.

Once had a moldy tub that my bf just couldn't bear to toss (it was one of our first ones) so he put it down in the basement and let it keep going & going because he didn't want to lose those fruits :mad2:  guess what - that tub gave us a whole QUARTER OZ of fucked-up stringy sickly mushies and apparently a whole houseload of trich spores because my next few grows were fucked until I did a whole house cleaning (and I mean THOROUGH).....

so yeah anything with mold = OUTSIDE TRASH IMMEDIATELY


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19055154 - 10/29/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never get discouraged. I went through two shipments of bad syringes when I first started, one of which came from a sponsor in good standing. I don't blame anyone, it was just bad luck. My next try went without a hitch, and now I am jumping into this hobby like nobody's business and loving it. If I had given up after my first or even my second negative result, I would not have the joys of mycology in my life each day. :biggrin:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19055318 - 10/30/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I mostly followed the advice from the great people on this site and RR's video series so I didn't make too many mistakes. I did however use the wrong jars for my first pf tek grow and they took forever to colonize.

I used the tall skinny 1/2 pint jars. On my second attempt I used the proper short fat "kerr" wide mouth jars and they colonized much quicker and fruited better.

A lot of people have trouble finding those wide mouth Kerr jars. You can get them at Ace hardware or off Amazon




haha I got the wrong jars at first too! I cought it before I did anything with them though lol.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #19056250 - 10/30/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys no bad info so far


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19056314 - 10/30/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Id be lying if i said they fruits were contam free.  And IIRC, eating fruits from contamed cakes can increase the chances of getting mushroom farmers sickness, since your eating/inhaling a huge amount of nasty spores. Especially with repeated doses.



It the fruits look healthy, and don't have mold on them, they are fine.
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If it produces healthy mushrooms, they're safe to eat.
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There is nothing wrong with fruiting contaminated cakes outdoors and there is absolutely no human health hazards from doing so.  We toss out contaminated substrates to protect our growing area and other projects from the increased mold sporeload, not our own bodies.

No grow in nature is sterile, yet outdoor wild mushrooms are safe to eat.
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They're fine, but a quick search in the contamination forum would have revealed that even if there was a few spots of mold on the cakes, the mushrooms themselves would be OK to eat.  All wild fruits grow in conjunction with molds and bacteria.
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I'd post more of the 15000 quotes from TC's on the matter but a quick search will reveal them all to any who are interested. Mushroom workers lung is not related to contam spores but rather oyster spores which are pretty nasty. My dog is allergic and I can't grow oysters indoors at all.

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I've had my fans clogged up with shiitake spores as well as everything else, but haven't gotten sick from them.

For me at least, it's only oyster mushroom spores which have this effect, and I've had to quit growing them for this reason.  I've also not heard of anyone else getting sick from shiitake spores.

If this turns out to be the case, I suggest a full face respirator with charcoal cartridges and an N95 attachment to go over the charcoal canisters.  I bought mine from uline.com so I could go back to oyster growing, but just the sight of oysters now gives me a (psychological I'm sure) case of the willies so I just don't grow them anymore at all.
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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19056360 - 10/30/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I made 12 PF Tek jars and forgot to wipe the rims


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19056401 - 10/30/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I nocc'd 8 hpoo/straw cakes before I realised they wouldn't germinate... then had to go back and do all BRF cakes as spawn with a new syringe...  :facepalm3:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: urthtown]
    #19056427 - 10/30/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I nocc'd 8 hpoo/straw cakes before I realised they wouldn't germinate... then had to go back and do all BRF cakes as spawn with a new syringe...  :facepalm3:



That might have worked for pans :tongue:


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    #19056444 - 10/30/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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urthtown said:
I nocc'd 8 hpoo/straw cakes before I realised they wouldn't germinate... then had to go back and do all BRF cakes as spawn with a new syringe...  :facepalm3:



That might have worked for pans :tongue:




Who knew I needed a cow stomach to make that one work  :woah:


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: urthtown]
    #19056665 - 10/30/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Improperly pasteurizing substrate - temps getting too high for too long.
Taking my sweet ass time moving onto agar.

Making friends with green mold, not knowing when or how he'll ever call me again.

Misting too often.
Misting too little.

Punching the wall in frustration with low and fluctuating temperatures. It's useless to hurt yourself over it.

Inoculating in the same room or in close proximity to the spawning and fruiting zone! What the hell was I thinking?

Losing my concentration or patience when learning the art of fungal ESP. Some people seem like Uri Geller or something when it comes to "knowing" when all conditions are just right. Or maybe ESP isn't real and years of trial and error are more important. We'll never know....

Mistake soon to be discovered: using and relying on GLC, no matter how sterile I've thus far made the inoculation zone. Medical supplies galore, all acquired at no cost to yours truly - masks, gowns, Virex, bonnets, self-healing ports, micropore tape, new syringes, needles, syringe caps, syringe filters, polypropylene biohazard bags, angled scissors. Maybe too many potential vectors of contamination without an effing flowhood. Not to mention the reliance on Micropore tape for so long - another "taking my sweet ass time to get something" moment - free is free, right?

Smaller SAB than is comfortable.

Fear of G2G due to small SAB.

And finally, farting into a spore syringe prior to inoculation. Everybody knows you should do that shit only when you open a colonizing bulk tub - methane helps the shrooms, right?


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: partythug]
    #19056701 - 10/30/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

getting your hands dirty. nothing works like experience for me 

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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19056875 - 10/30/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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-Spores101 is garbage as is Ralphsters :tongue:

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ralphsters is garbage? I had no problem with a syringe from them like 4 years ago but maybe they've gone downhill..

some stupid mistakes i made:

made a SAB/glovebox and glued the right hand glove to the left side arm port and the left hand glove to the right side arm port.

forgot to inoculate a bunch of WBS jars and wondered why i wasn't seeing any growth

jostled some BRF jars around too much and the verm mixture inside compacted/settled a lot --> contammed


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    #19056911 - 10/30/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They are no longer a sponsor here for a reason. Maybe four years ago they were good but it's a joke now. Plenty of threads in the sponsors forum on the drama that went down, its an amusing read.


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    #19057144 - 10/30/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My biggest mistake was trying to vary from the TEK before fully understanding what I was doing.


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    #19057340 - 10/30/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:
I thought I understood enough to make variations on teks. Turned out I was wrong.... a bunch of times.

In retrospect, I would have saved a lot of money by learning agar.

I also wished I'd started with grains and CVG instead of PF Tek and moving to straw and manure.

Best advice I have.... if you do PF Tek, use a SGFC.

If you do bulk, use a CVG and a monotub.

I wished I would have realized that earlier. Either way you go, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AND DON'T TRY TO DEVIATE. You are not smarter than the rest of us.


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    #19060378 - 10/30/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shaking my grain right after nocing it up.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: ed94514]
    #19061569 - 10/31/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A couple times, I injected spores into jars that were not fully cooled yet. :thumbdown::mad2:


I waited and waited for them to produce mycelium, but nothing.



A hard lesson learned. I had killed the spores. Wait for your jars to cool at least 10 hours! Dont be impatient!

Its a waste of time and money. Seriously.

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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19065033 - 10/31/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think that is the best question you could possibly ask.

This should be stickied I think. Everyone has experienced failure at some point, a lot to be learned.

one of my biggest recent failures was actually on my friends grow. see I do all the reading on the shroomery and I relay what information I can to my friend, problem is we are always smokin and he can't remember s***,and I'm definitely not the best teacher,  so his methods kinda suck in comparison to mine. At least he gets more problems, especially since he is always coming up with his own ideas and since he's not reading anything he just doesn't understand certain things no Mayer how many times I tell him. He's going back to pf cakes cuz they are a little more fool proof.

Anyway this guy, against my advice, went and did 13 mono tubs and botched them all.
Why? 2 main reasons I concluded. .. First, bucket tek. I used bucket tek for the first 6 months of my bulk experience with not a single contamination issue. But now even though I never had a problem with the bucket I am properly  pasteurizing. I believe that it partially sterilized his substrate, which may or may not tie into the second problem. Next he went ape shit over board sealing his tubs, must have went through an entire roll of duck tape. He sealed them so much that there was no GE and nothing ever colonized until eventually contams took over several Tubs while the others just fermented, smelt like some kind of nasty home brew when I cleaned Em out.


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Re: I believe that mistakes are the best way to learn. New guy here wanting to know what were yours? [Re: MaJiK_420]
    #19065108 - 10/31/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My biggest mistake I'd say was not buying synthetic filter disks

and a flowhood at first. I wish the very day i started i would have

just bought a flowhood instead of working in a SAB/glovebox.

Then when the search engine brought me to synthetic filter disks

well lets just say both these things changed everything for me forever.


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    #19065505 - 10/31/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I still don't have a flow hood but I can say I love sfd. I fucked around polyfill and tyvek for a while. I finally got some sfd and I love them. Unlike a flow hood they are cheap and I think everyone should ditch the polyfill and tyvek and get them some sfd


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    #19065650 - 10/31/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I still don't have a flow hood but I can say I love sfd. I fucked around polyfill and tyvek for a while. I finally got some sfd and I love them. Unlike a flow hood they are cheap and I think everyone should ditch the polyfill and tyvek and get them some sfd



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    #19096798 - 11/06/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I do appreciate everything on this post, thaks guys


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    #19097672 - 11/06/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Go easy on misting when pins develop. I ruined a few cakes by drenching pins.



The only way misting would hurt pins is if they were hit with pressure, or the water was allowed to sit on them and not evaporate.

Other than that, when it rains in nature pins do not abort.


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    #19098181 - 11/06/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some guy on here inoculated himself with a spore syringe lol

I'd suggest not doing that.


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    #19098193 - 11/06/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Some guy on here inoculated himself with a spore syringe lol

I'd suggest not doing that.




Sounds like an urban legend :lol:


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