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Mike12000
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Metabolites on substrate surface?
#19054070 - 10/29/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are these node looking growth normal metabolites or is this a contam or one in the making? The jars that were used as spawn were pretty old. I got backed up with a GH issue. Thanks in advance for taking a look.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19054829 - 10/29/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's the specie you're trying to grow ?
Sorry to say but I believe that's all mold. I mean everything
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: MAIA]
#19057053 - 10/30/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol
Seriously though, being optimistic for a second, you might have not-very-rhyzomorphic genetics, combined with blob mutant shrooms, combined with low low FAE causing those little tufts of mycelium to sprout freaky mycelium trees.
Tub looks pooched to me. You'd be lucky to get anything resembling mushrooms off of it.
More FAE next time, those tufty formations are classic high-rh+low-FAE. It looks like there are no holes in your monotub tub (maybe they're just out of frame?).
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: MAIA]
#19060768 - 10/30/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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These are Puerto Ricans and I've seen crazy metabolite growth with them before; though nothing like this. I once had a tray swell as it fully colonized. I thought the plastic would burst it was out about an inch swollen. I moved that tray outside to a sgfc where I got 4 decent flushes off it. This is a tray in a GH so no holes.
There's a to of primordia that sprouted pretty much over night. They're already 1 cm on average and there's about 20-30 of them. I also went out of town this weekend and the fan on my GH broke so it could be lack of fae.
If this is a mold it could still fruit correct? Has anyone seen anything like this before or are you guys just guessing this is a contam?
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19061073 - 10/30/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you can update with new pics it would be nice. But anyway, yes I've seen similar and I believe that's contamination.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: MAIA]
#19062236 - 10/31/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a few pics from this morning. I'm hoping you think differently after seeing these. I'm torn on moving them out of my GH because my outdoor sgfc is full atm.
When you saw something like this was it by chance with Puerto Ricans?
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19062723 - 10/31/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is my favorite grow thread ATM. Just look at that tub! JUST LOOK AT IT
It's a monster. It's halloween. Coincidence?!??
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: 8ow8]
#19062775 - 10/31/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dafuq am i looking at?
middle pic of the first set looks like green to me
but i also see a couple pins and what appears to be a shitload of blobs
i wouldn't even know what to do with this if this were mine
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19063092 - 10/31/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any odors?
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Kizzle]
#19065282 - 10/31/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know this tray looks weird but the spawn is over 2 months old. Last time I grew this sub strain I has all types of weird growth. I had one tray that Kizzle advised on that was swelling with nodes like this and I got several flushes before any green and it was outdoors on a patio in an sgfc because I got nervous it was contaminated.
These trays both smell fine and there's no green. If the pic looks green it's from poor lighting coupled with the pics being taken with a phone. These blobs or node things are tan with blue around the edges of them. The liquid that's kinda tearing up from them is amber.
This pic is of the second tray and it's starting to pin. They're hard to see but there are a lot of knots forming.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19065439 - 10/31/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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just curious, on this other tray you're talking about that behaved similarly, did you have a first flush that was just blobs, then a good normal second flush? i thought PE was the only strain that did this (blobbed up on 1st flush) i've used old spawn also (g2g jars that sat around for like 2-3 months) but this kind of thing never happened. mine was cambodian.
this is interesting, i'm here for this one
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19065749 - 10/31/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No blobs on that old tray. Pretty normal fruiting once it started; first flush was pretty small fruits followed by some monsters. It did colonized extremely fast, the spawn run was only 3 days and by the 3rd the tray was swollen.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19076946 - 11/02/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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These trays are still fruiting normally. If this is a contam it's not affecting the first flush.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19077455 - 11/02/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks like you have growth but it looks so damn weird ...
Man, give it some time and keep posting pics as it develops.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: MAIA]
#19078260 - 11/03/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it was just the first flush then it was probably just "mutants". There are some contaminants that can cause deformities like that but I have yet to see them occur in Cubensis and they usually have other symptoms like developing odd odors.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Kizzle]
#19091256 - 11/05/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything is still progressing nicely with these trays and as they're fruiting I realized I made a mistake stating the sub strain; I'm pretty sure at least one of these is PESH and from MS that's been g2g'ed. The other is Puerto Ricans. Some of the PESH are turning back towards the substrate's surface as their veil breaks; see pics. What could cause this? Genetics?
The PR tray; last pic, has furry white growth over one of the 2 growths on it, it's at about 3'oclock by the base of a cluster. Is that pre-spore trich or healthy myc growth?
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19091513 - 11/05/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think so it's Trich.
The blobs seem to be mostly genetic, at least with Cubes. Some strains will tend to produce them, mainly early on in the first flush.
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Kizzle]
#19091645 - 11/05/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks once again Kizzle!!! Any thoughts on the caps turning upside down once they're harvest ready?
I've never seen trich at this point, I've only seen it on that PR tray after the 4th flush and i didn't catch it til it was green. If I move this tray outdoors now is the rest of my GH safe? Also if this tray continues to fruit and I dehydrate the fruits will that spread trich airborne?
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: Mike12000]
#19101902 - 11/07/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking good man ! Nice to know I was wrong
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Re: Metabolites on substrate surface? [Re: MAIA]
#19110301 - 11/09/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ended up with over 3z dried from those 2 trays. Their last day of growth they grew a couple inches and sporulated in the time I was at work. Now the surface has a light purple tint to it.
I've read this can tell the mycelium to not fruit and go back to colonization mode. Could a dunk possibly prevent that and lead to a second flush?
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