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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy] * 2
    #19056589 - 10/30/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Try tapping the starter with a small hammer sometimes the solenoid will stick.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #19056627 - 10/30/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i will bring that up as well.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: mpd]
    #19056642 - 10/30/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Flywheel may have had some teeth ground off.





My buddy's truck's starter used to get stuck, and he let his roommate drive it one time, his roommate didn't know how to turn the starter off/get it unstuck, so he drove it with the starter running, pretty much ground the gears off the entire started and took chunks out of the flywheel.  Terrible...


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Maverick]
    #19056652 - 10/30/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm... i wouldnt have a clue if my starter was stuck...


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19056670 - 10/30/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It'd sound like you're trying to start your car while the engine is running, but constant.  I don't think that would be your problem though, you'd have noticed it.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Maverick]
    #19056711 - 10/30/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ah. okay. ive done that a few times while under the influence... heh. thinking the car was off and trying to start it then getting that screeching noise. its loud enough for everyone to hear how big of an idiot you are. :lol:


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19056778 - 10/30/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Did any shims fall out when you removed old starter? Alot of times there are shims between the starter and bell housing to set proper gear mesh. If starter goes in crooked or too much mesh it will not be strong enough to slide out and engage. I cant remember on 4g engines if your starter uses shims or elongated bolt holes to set mesh. Also take a mirror and flash light and look in bell house hole for starter to see flexplate condition. Take a breaker bar and socket on front crank pulley and turn over motor while checking.
  Check starter yourself off of cars battery with jumper cables. Ground to outside of starter housing and touch positive to lug you would hook red wire to.
  Is it a intergal solenoid or external?  If its external you may still have a bad solenoid. Trace wire from solenoid back up. Is there a large and small wire to starter?
  Not fully engaging can also be a poor connection to ground or power.  The solenoid does nothing but transfer the signal to start from low amp to high amp. What actually throws out the gear is rotational force making it climb a screw while being pushed back against a spring. So if it is not being spun fast enough it will not defeat spring pressure and fully engage. See how hard it engages with the jumper cables. If your battery is weak it will effect it, if connection is bad will effect it and miss alignment will make it worse.
  Use another running vehicle's battery as a reference as to how hard the bendix spins out then try on your vehicle and compare. 
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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: magicbroncoride]
    #19056785 - 10/30/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no worries. i will do all this when i get out of work tonight. thanks man. that was really helpful.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19057949 - 10/30/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like either a misaligned starter (toothed gear to engine flexplate) or missing flexplate teeth. Most people call the flexplate a flywheel but unless its a manual trans, that's inaccurate...


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19057987 - 10/30/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ah. okay. ive done that a few times while under the influence... heh. thinking the car was off and trying to start it then getting that screeching noise. its loud enough for everyone to hear how big of an idiot you are. :lol:




That might be part of the problem...


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19058093 - 10/30/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i think you have a weak alternator or bad solenoid.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: broken]
    #19058274 - 10/30/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cool. i get out of work here in a bit so ill know more. i was just informed that my buddy is charging the battery cause he seemed to be low on juice. is it possible the battery only had enough juice to spin the starter and turn the lights and shit on?


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19058295 - 10/30/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes, it is very possible.
it take way more power to start a car then to just turn over a starter and turn on a light.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19059385 - 10/30/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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thanks for all the input. my buddy is gonna get into it later today so hopefully we will get to the bottom of it.

i dont know much about flywheels, yet, but going by  his attitude, it seems that flys are either expensive and or a pain to install. he said more than a few times, "lets hope its not the flywheel.".



he is right.

flywheels live at the heart of the car. you'd have to drop the transaxle to get at it, most likely. also known as, a large amount of labor. they aren't cheap either. it'd be strange that was the problem, however.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19059837 - 10/30/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well hes charging the battery over night and will then get it tested tomorrow. he went ahead and left the new starter in hoping that the fully charged battery will start the fucker up. if this happens then we will get the old starter re tested and go from there. i hope its just the fucking battery.


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19059883 - 10/30/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

have you had codes pulled from the engine control module?
you could have any auto electric service place hook up a computer that reads for codes ad gives a brief description in its diagnosis...
that would tell you if you had a bad starter, battery, or any thing with a sensor or relay or solenoid..


it's what I am doin for a job ATM..


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #19059890 - 10/30/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no, i would have to have the car towed there and then towed back. it was hell just getting it to the house. i actually almost died twice last night. looong story....


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19059943 - 10/30/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i believe you can go to an autozone or Orileys and they have a scanner you can use for a deposit...
IMO that would tell you alot!!

you wouldn't have acess to the key that goes into full description called ALLDATA Pro.
but if you did that then I would be willing to pull up the codes you read on our computer at work..

just sayin if y'all still have issues after your friend checks it out that would be a good step to take...

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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #19059963 - 10/30/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cool. i will def look into that. thanks man! still have you some room in your spot? i still gots the ladies!


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Re: car trouble... help? [Re: Poor Boy]
    #19060016 - 10/30/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no prob:)

shit i got the spot, the moonshine and the bud!! 

you bring the ladies and we shall :offthehook:


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