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J Dash
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: Yogi1]
#19050785 - 10/29/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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He did exist though.
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Icelander
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: Deviate]
#19050833 - 10/29/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Based on that definition, Jesus Christ would be enlightened because he conquered death and the world. That is why I model my life after him. In exchange, he gives to me peace and wisdom so that I am much less fearful impermenance and death than I used to be. Christ is the source of all life and happiness and it transcends the mind. All else, is the play of maya.
Yes if the story is true. Evidence may not confirm that. But as we already know you believe anyway and that works for you. 
I have yet to meet any living enlightened person as far as I can tell. I'm only speaking of those I've really gotten to know well as that's about the only way you have of judging someone with any chance of accuracy.
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"I don't worry about the future, because the present is too important."
I hope I can get to the stage of emotional maturity, enlightenment, whatever where all my prejudices against the flow of Things as They Are become extinguished. I think it's all in the mind - acceptance, etc. Of course, I was having panic attacks yesterday, so count me as a believer and not a practitioner.... yet!
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J Dash
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: Deviate]
#19051195 - 10/29/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deviate said: Based on that definition, Jesus Christ would be enlightened because he conquered death and the world. That is why I model my life after him. In exchange, he gives to me peace and wisdom so that I am much less fearful impermenance and death than I used to be. Christ is the source of all life and happiness and it transcends the mind. All else, is the play of maya.
This is what I also believe. Also, I find myself aware of the 'now' but living for 'eternity'. Because life is but an instant when compared to eternity. Obviously not everyone believes this or even that there is an eternity but I do. Just my $0.02.
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: J Dash]
#19052086 - 10/29/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think enlightenment is constant acceptance of the present moment. I guess as well as situations indirectly related to death that would also include situations where one's life might be at risk, and ultimately the situation that causes one's death. So I think I kind of agree with the OP, but I think there is more to it than that. Not all resistance is due to death anxiety imho.
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that's where we differ.
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You should fight about it
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all this beauty
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Icelander said: Here's how I define it. Any person who has completely overcome Death/Impermanence anxiety on all levels conscious and unconscious and including the instinctual fear of death.
I define it like this:
Any person who has come to the realization that there is nothing, objectively speaking, to overcome. That the universe and every atom in it is inviolate and (for lack of a better word) perfect.
That any perceived shortcoming or weakness or vulnerability -- in relation to yourself or any other sentient being -- is a subjectively-felt experience only.
Subjective consciousness vs. objective consciousness.
No accidents. No mistakes. Nothing needing "correction."
Anywhere.
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cez

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I don't know
Edited by cez (10/29/13 05:48 PM)
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Icelander
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nicechrisman said: You should fight about it
Mud wrestling sounds good to me.
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Icelander
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all this beauty said:
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Icelander said: Here's how I define it. Any person who has completely overcome Death/Impermanence anxiety on all levels conscious and unconscious and including the instinctual fear of death.
I define it like this:
Any person who has come to the realization that there is nothing, objectively speaking, to overcome. That the universe and every atom in it is inviolate and (for lack of a better word) perfect.
That any perceived shortcoming or weakness or vulnerability -- in relation to yourself or any other sentient being -- is a subjectively-felt experience only.
Subjective consciousness vs. objective consciousness.
No accidents. No mistakes. Nothing needing "correction."
Anywhere.
That's pretty good too.
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Icelander said:
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all this beauty said:
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Icelander said: Here's how I define it. Any person who has completely overcome Death/Impermanence anxiety on all levels conscious and unconscious and including the instinctual fear of death.
I define it like this:
Any person who has come to the realization that there is nothing, objectively speaking, to overcome. That the universe and every atom in it is inviolate and (for lack of a better word) perfect.
That any perceived shortcoming or weakness or vulnerability -- in relation to yourself or any other sentient being -- is a subjectively-felt experience only.
Subjective consciousness vs. objective consciousness.
No accidents. No mistakes. Nothing needing "correction."
Anywhere.
That's pretty good too. 
Nope.
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: Yogi1]
#19053813 - 10/29/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK, mine was better.
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Icelander said:
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nicechrisman said: You should fight about it
Mud wrestling sounds good to me. 
Careful what you wish for 
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Icelander
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That's true but I just can't seem to help myself.
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eve69
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This mortality issue though isn't of ultimate importance. At some point each person comes to a point of whether they will continue to feel or fly on standby. To continue to feel might need a major reworkup. Even when one thought they were done for this lifetime, they yet might surprise themselves. I hope they do. Surprise is the delight of living. Hopefully, and it's not the bad surprise.
I made a choice when I was about 25 to not learn from mistakes any longer. I decide to stop making them. I didn't care to accept suffering as a teacher. That was a real good lesson. I can really read through bullshit really well. Few masters are what someone should follow for any reason. After enlightenentm shopped woold and carry waters and wprse watch someeonseles do it.
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husmmoor
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Icelander said: Here's how I define it. Any person who has completely overcome Death/Impermanence anxiety on all levels conscious and unconscious and including the instinctual fear of death.
I'm curious why you would choose these criteria for your definition of enlightenment? Do you think they derive from some objective condition, and if so, what is that?
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Icelander
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Re: Enlightenment. [Re: husmmoor]
#19059510 - 10/30/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just think DA is universal. If you beat it then you got my respect.
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I only read the first post but anyone that tries to define enlightenment is doomed to be defined as short-sighted, ignorant and arrogant.
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Icelander said: Enlightenment is a concept humans use to justify their self-importance.

Anyone that tries to define people that try to define enlightenment is .
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Edited by WScott (10/30/13 07:41 PM)
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