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PussyFart
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19045953 - 10/28/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: The Maz gave consistent grows for me, full canopy flush after flush till contamination set in. Of course weight and fruit size diminishes as in later flushes as the nutrients are getting used up.
And it differs for everybody I am sure....
With your logic it would be really hard to isolate a large fruiter from a Maz print....which I find unlikely....
You can isolate what you want in a strain, just like any other variety.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
#19046085 - 10/28/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My current Maz grow is the middle pic in my sig...pretty nice pin set 
Let's see how big they grow 
And I'm with hacker - I consider it pretty nonsensical to say Maz are small. If I clone the biggest from any grow and start another grow then the biggest from that etc are you telling me that I won't get decent size fruits? Or would they no longer be "Mazapatecs"
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
#19046160 - 10/28/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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UNCLE This kind of talk isn't welcome on the Shroomery!!!
 The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way, if you get a super sized Maz fruit by means of isolation, I'd sure like a print for my library
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19046207 - 10/28/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way, if you get a super sized Maz fruit by means of isolation, I'd sure like a print for my library 
A print from an isolate means nothing....whatever comes from those spores would have nothing in common with the original isolate.
If you have Maz spores, it is totally possible for you to isolate a big fruiter...
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19046306 - 10/28/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said:
The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way 

Best pinset I've had...hope they grow big! Where u live? would happil send a print...
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
#19046385 - 10/28/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The pic in your sig is gorgeous by the way 

Best pinset I've had...hope they grow big! Where u live? would happil send a print...
Generous offer, but here in "Alices Wonderland" we have all the cube prints we will ever need, (unless it's something special, of course).
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19046466 - 10/28/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys should know that FH says some of his best genetics came from Maz
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
#19046519 - 10/28/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Skinty said: My current Maz grow is the middle pic in my sig...pretty nice pin set 
Let's see how big they grow 
And I'm with hacker - I consider it pretty nonsensical to say Maz are small. If I clone the biggest from any grow and start another grow then the biggest from that etc are you telling me that I won't get decent size fruits? Or would they no longer be "Mazapatecs" 
Of course you could isolate and cull and clone until the only spores that are being dropped tend to larger fruits. As I have stated REPEATEDLY (and no one seems to understand me so apparently I'm terrible at communication and I'm sorry for that ) Small fruits of Maz are not the RULE.
I believe there is a small gene pool that SOME popular vendors are selling from, probably all stemming from the same or similar original samples. Maybe not all from the same cap, but maybe multiple caps from the same patch. Some vendors don't travel there themselves, they just order from another vendor, grow them out and get those spores, it's a simple and easy and by no means illegitimate way to increase the diversity of their stores.
I'm sure if you went back to Mexico and looked at every patch of maz from that part of the world you would find patches of both small and large. Hence Cubes remain cubes.
But most people get small fruits because they're all getting spores from the same original parent(s). Hence they are popularly 'known' to produce small fruits even though that isn't the rule. It's simply the subjective experience of amateur growers using similar growing conditions and a small gene pool who's genetics tend to favor smaller fruits.
Is that clear?
That being said. I don't remember seeing any threads with them grown on manure. Since most people grow them in similar conditions, pftek and verm/coir, I wonder if they would be bigger on poop.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19046683 - 10/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I grew them on Hpoo For me all cubes from Mexico produce smaller fruits not just Maz This doesn't at all discourage me from growing them as I said they make up for size with quantity The only thing I didn't enjoy was the longer harvest time because of so damn many fruits to cut the ends off of!
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19049767 - 10/28/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: I grew them on Hpoo For me all cubes from Mexico produce smaller fruits not just Maz This doesn't at all discourage me from growing them as I said they make up for size with quantity The only thing I didn't enjoy was the longer harvest time because of so damn many fruits to cut the ends off of!
I had the same experience here. Most numerous and even pinset I've ever had on PF cakes. It made it really difficult to discern when the flushes were over because pins just kept popping up all the time.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19050533 - 10/29/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Final weight for my first flush is around an ounce n a half dry. I have a bunch of little tiny pins that aren't gonna grow or aren't showing any activity, do I do anything with those before I rehydrate my substrate?
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
#19050558 - 10/29/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you need to rehydrate the sub? How heavy is the tub? I usually don't bother to dunk until after the second flush at the earliest.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19050757 - 10/29/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't think I'm gonna dunk it but spray it down pretty good. It's a mini mono n the sub isn't as deep as I'd hoped. Only like 3". Idk the later fruits in the first flush seemed pretty small so I figured it was do to a lack in water.
Edited by fleki (10/29/13 07:10 AM)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki]
#19051074 - 10/29/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fleki said: Don't think I'm gonna dunk it but spray it down pretty good. It's a mini mono n the sub isn't as deep as I'd hoped. Only like 3". Idk the later fruits in the first flush seemed pretty small so I figured it was do to a lack in water.
This is a good harvest for a mini-mono  3" is the perfect depth  "You did everything right" More water would likely have been too much and spoiled it 
The small fruit size is genetic and trying to tweak your grow to compensate and force larger fruits is IMO futile As previously stated you'd need to print and grow the biggest fruits(quite a few times) to eventually get consistent bigger fruits
Although misting increases for me during the second flush, I too rarely dunk until the 2nd flush is harvested.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: skippydude]
#19052516 - 10/29/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well take from it what you will but my 1st flush of Maz are pretty tiny and disappointing - although that could be explained by the number of shrooms. Here's a pic - have harvested the caps off many to let the rest catch up 
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19061506 - 10/31/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fleki said: Haha so I went the safe route and just harvested everything with a broken veil this is what I got =)

I'm considering takin them for a test drive tonight lol
Once again, mazatapecs showing their tendency towards smaller fruits. People keep saying things like 'mazatapecs are not known to be small, cubes are cubes' and yet here we are again with the small genes.
Yeah, you are semi-right about that. Heres some small fruits I grew way back when...


HOWEVER, I have also had the largest shrooms Ive ever grown, and they were Mazatecs



The last photo of the three here was the biggest one (its also the same as the time-lapsed image). It was so big, the cap had a diameter about 1.5 times the diameter of the PF cake itself. It was huge.
Mazatecs are my favorite shrooms Ive done, and I have done them more than any other strain.
I have a running theory of why this happened. When I had the little mushrooms, the moisture level in the FC was high. BUT, when I grew those large ones, I was early in my growing, and I used a space heater (the electric ones by the floor) to heat up the FC. I also used an airstone with a air pump on top of the perlite, which likely dried the air even more. Inside the FC was real dry, especially from the dry heat of the space heater.
My theory is drier fruiting conditions "stresses" the mycelium to grow just a few large mushrooms. Then in wet conditions, it encourages lots of smaller mushrooms.
I have yet to attempt a controlled experiment to further support this theory, but haven't gotten to it. In time, I will thou.
Needs more research ~ LC
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#19061529 - 10/31/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those mushrooms show no signs of being in a dry climate, to me anyways.
Fruit size is dependant upon moisture content and genetics.
Genetics cannot be determined by a name of a variety.
You can find small fruit producing genetics in any variety, and the same goes for massive fruit producers.
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: PussyFart]
#19061625 - 10/31/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well my Maz had small fruits but made up for in in total mass - 6.5oz from 1st flush...can't wait to try them
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: Skinty]
#19084204 - 11/04/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the second flush came and went harvested yesterday =)

Neglected it this time a bit as far as pics go. It dried out pretty decent so I did mist it down. Next day pins and fruits a few days later. The fruits seemed to be larger this time the biggest around 5in tall with like a 2.5 in cap, there was quite a few of similar size. It went the other side of the spectrum with larger but fewer fruits though. I believe the weight will be similar to the first flush so I'm still pleased =)
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Re: Mazapatec on Rye (First Grow). Update with question. [Re: fleki] 1
#19084384 - 11/04/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I quit growing Mazetapecs specifically because of all the small fruits. Tub after tub of beautiful full canopies, yet probably hundreds of mushrooms no more than a few inches high. The total yield was the same as any other cube, but they took so much more time to pick and clean it was just a pita. I'd spend upwards of an hour or two per flush!
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