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The highs and lows of spiritual progress
    #19048556 - 10/28/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you find that as the years go buy, the highs get less high and the lows less low?

This is what I find in my life at this stage. Less bliss but less hell too.

Like we've flatlined but we're not dead. Not to say I'm bored or detached. But I just feel like the rewards change as the stages progress and change.

For example, what are the rewards when you are a toddler? Candy, FUN, no responsibilities, no decision making.

As a teenager, the rewards could be: drugs, alcohol, getting laid

Then perhaps you move on, you're in your mid 20's, you have your own pad, money, the respect of your peers and those younger than you

What are the rewards in your 30's? 40's?

I'm sure this is all very obvious, but the question is - is this an age thing?

Maybe. Maybe not. Some 8 year olds have a lot of responsibility, gotta raise their siblings. Or you're 12 and you've stumbled upon marijuana.

Seems like we're all learning different things at different ages - there's an 80 year old today learning how to bike - there's a 5 year old who's learning about the temporailty of existence.

So can we even say that certain things are garaunteed for those of a certain age?

Old souls, new souls, whatever. I think we're all vastly different than we may imagine. Do certain experiences push people "further" into enlightenment? Are we all equal?


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #19049822 - 10/29/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I definitely find the highs less high.  The lows are worse really though.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: Icelander]
    #19050190 - 10/29/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oooh you should take a look at piaget's developmental theory.  It deals with different stages of people's lives as they develop.  Pretty interesting stuff, except it is more psychology rather than spirituality. 

I'm currently 29, and yes I already feel what you are talking about.  Very bad childhood with a family full of junkies.  Grew up to fast, never had money, didn't know if I had a roof over my head.  Didn't really start living a real life until i moved to the other side of the world 5 years ago. 

I did find something that makes the highs much higher though. 

Even growing up hating everybody around me, and I've had to do things I am not proud of to survive, I found it invigorating to help other people.  So I'm pursuing a degree in Secondary Education.  I want to inspire young people to be the best that they can, even if the world fucking sucks.  Hell, if I could do it, anybody can.  :smile:


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19050501 - 10/29/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When you reach middle age you need to find a new love interest (and I don't mean a new lover) I mean a new study, something that will last for the rest of your life. I found music, again.  Playing guitar  hear a better quality of distortion than from any record.  That's pretty killer.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19050760 - 10/29/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hell, if I could do it, anybody can.  :smile:


I'm fairly sure that is not true but I get the idea.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: eve69]
    #19050774 - 10/29/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As I get older the lows not as low and the highs are ever higher. *shrug*


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    #19051080 - 10/29/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: toaster032]
    #19051102 - 10/29/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sometimes you're other people's perceptions :wink:


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: eve69]
    #19051530 - 10/29/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes!

I firmly believe that humans have the ability to be what they want to be.  It is things like fear/doubt/insecurity/loneliness ect... that causes people to falter. 

I feel that if somebody had just tried to connect with me or understand me when I was growing up, life would have been much easier and I would have been able to live to my full potential. 

I would take eve's advice.  Find something new in your life if yours has been to stagnate.  I read something interesting once.  It was an article that says that every 11 years or so, your body has gone through a full cell cycle.  It is said that because of this, people can learn a new talent every 11 years, and the way that you move, act, thing, feel is completely different than 11 years ago.  Explains why it is so rare to see people stay in one relationship for a lifetime. 

I should mention that I do not have my original source, so I might be wrong about it.  Point being, enjoy your life as you find yourself.  The downs will make the highs better by contrast.  Find a good balance within.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: Icelander]
    #19051555 - 10/29/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I definitely find the highs less high.  The lows are worse really though.




Don't even get me started on the middles!  :nonono:


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19054821 - 10/29/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I also have found that things flatten out as you get older.

my memories of childhood and my early teen years involve me being overpowered by emotions, both positive and negative in ways that seem absolutely impossible in relation to how  I feel these days. In fact I find that it is really hard for me to really get a kick out of anything these days. THats not to say that life isn't worth living, it just lacks the ups and downs it used to have. Everything is pretty mundane. It takes quite a lot to get me to a peak of happiness.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: Deviate]
    #19055524 - 10/30/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Deviate said:
I also have found that things flatten out as you get older.

my memories of childhood and my early teen years involve me being overpowered by emotions, both positive and negative in ways that seem absolutely impossible in relation to how  I feel these days. In fact I find that it is really hard for me to really get a kick out of anything these days. THats not to say that life isn't worth living, it just lacks the ups and downs it used to have. Everything is pretty mundane. It takes quite a lot to get me to a peak of happiness.




Yeah he's being funny but good try.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #19057373 - 10/30/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
Do you find that as the years go buy, the highs get less high and the lows less low?

This is what I find in my life at this stage. Less bliss but less hell too.



So this is the "Middle Way," some would say.  The way of moderation.

The philosophical Daoists describe the Way of Things (the Dao) as being a continual smoothing of the rough edges and roughing-up of the smooth edges.

Both processes, occurring in the same moment.


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Re: The highs and lows of spiritual progress [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #19057515 - 10/30/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You aren't bored? Hm. That's mighty strange to me I've always been extremely bored and detached from most things. We all have different ways to achieve that spiritual enlightenment, some people will get involved into activity which doesn't include them, some will ask others to involve themselves into other peoples spiritual activities which does include them. I believe that despite your notion that most of us are different, "unique", original, is an incorrect guess. I have been around for awhile and I don't see how most people differ from one another, from what I can see we all act nearly the same, most people are actually just carbon copies of some better version of themselves. We use these copies of a superior model to built future versions of ourselves which duplicate the same forms into a new medium. Once we find the "original" human model we cannot ignore its influence it plays in our lives, we find ourselves returning to the source of that model, trying to discover new ways to extract from it the original vibrations it emitted to "enlighten" us.

For myself, having an entirely singular vision of the world, a vision that others have never been able to conceive of until I gave them the push they needed to view it, since, indeed, sometimes we find that certain visions are so singular that we could not have created them without something else manifesting that image for us. We may be prone to pretending that we could have created a world so unique but we really can't.

I can't say I have anything in common with anyone in this world. I haven't lived the same lifestyles they have, I haven't fed into the same imperial propaganda the government produces so others can buy into their vision of the world. I think for myself, I know that others wish to put you into categories, make you this "definite" version of yourself, well indeed it is all quite horse shit as I'm sure you've discovered.

Now, because I choose to ignore what majority of what the people at the "top" of the world, meaning, the people who make the big decisions. Well I can't listen to what they say, not at all. They want you to buy into their fantasy of how things are, make you feel like you are sick, that you are seeing things that aren't really there, but they are there because you created them and despite others putting some kind of label which would make you appear insane is quite the opposite. The most sane people usually are really insane, so the strange whims and stories that "schizos"(that's what they call you if you like to fantasy and have daydreams, to me its nonsense.).

I have none of the traits other people have, I don't resemble anything that has previously manifested itself into this world. Since I can blatantly see that whatever I do will instantly become a hit, will be desired by nearly everyone in the entire world.


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