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Matsutake or Catathelasma species?
    #19046975 - 10/28/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This would be my first matsutake find but not my first Catathelasma find. I cant tell if the gills are decurrent because it is so young.

Elevation - 100 - 200 feet
growing in conifer forest on coast of oregon
smell:
mild smell when whole
smell of cucumbers after bisection

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found a nice little haul of yellow foots while i was out.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19047052 - 10/28/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think its a matsutake bud. Sorry.

They definitely do not smell like cucumbers.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19047066 - 10/28/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is an uncommon find on this side of the country right?

The Catathelasma I mean.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19047073 - 10/28/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What do they smell like? My last Catathelasma smelled like a really strong button mushroom, different than these ones. These smell very mild and hard to describe.

Now that the cut isnt fresh i dont smell much of anything on them now :shrug:

Its probably Catathelasma, can matsutake even grow at low elevations?


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19047158 - 10/28/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd call it a Catathelasma sp.  C. ventricosum given the greyish pileus and mild odor.

Nice grab-bag of chants though!

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Can matsutake even grow at low elevations?




People find them locally at around 300ft elevation under Madrone here.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19047170 - 10/28/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im pretty sure that matsutake can grow at low elevation.

M. Kuo describes it as slightly unpleasant.

I have never smelled it before.

The matsutake is certainly very spicy in aroma. They smell like a cinnimon candy and socks
just like Arora says.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19048257 - 10/28/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd guess all the way down to sea level, folks keep telling me the dunes here are full of them...


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"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: fry day]
    #19048302 - 10/28/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder sometimes if some less experienced people eat these catathelasma thinking they are matsu on the coast sometimes. I cant find much information on there edibility but they smell decent. Maybe i will sample a small amount.

Probably only because i keep finding them though and they almost trick me.. last time it was easier because i could see the decurrent gills unlike this one.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19048457 - 10/28/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not me.  That thing just does not look like a matsi.  Last winter I just decided I was gonna find some, went out and did it.  There was no doubt in my mind about what I'd found  once I found it.

The brown scaling on the stipe is quite diatinctive and once you've gotten the smell...

I heard a guy ask one of the mushroom buyers if he bought cats, the answer was no.  But I think that speaks to edibility...  Seems to me that when I did my research on 'em they were edible, but not choice.


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"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19049540 - 10/28/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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can matsutake even grow at low elevations?




Locals in Bandon Oregon area say they find them as close to the ocean as just beyond the dunes where the trees start. Never made it out there to check that out myself.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: canid]
    #19050201 - 10/29/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i've found them as close to the beach as less than 100 yards near manzanita on the north coast


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: pseudoanonyrnous]
    #19051526 - 10/29/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If they are found on the coast in the north and south than they should be on the coast in the middle where I am at. Ill keep searching and ill find some eventually.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19051580 - 10/29/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes Catathelasma is edible.  The very toxic lookalike is Amanita smithii.  It even smells like Matsutake.

Matsutake grows all the way down to sea level, and up in the mountains as well.


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Re: Matsutake or Catathelasma species? [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
    #19051596 - 10/29/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This use to be one of my big colletalbe. I use to sell them to Asians.
for big bucks.First the Smell very spicy like cinnmon. Tast a bit Bitter.  I always found them in conifer forest in Org and Wash.The  What you might have there is a cucumber Armllaria
Its what David Arora calls Armillaria olida.


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