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bEelzeBosS
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What to do with all this BRF?
#19051231 - 10/29/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Back when I was doing cakes I stocked up on BRF because I was intimidated to try bulk...that quickly changed and now I'm sitting on a LOT of BRF with no desire to break out the SGFC and do more cakes.
Since I don't bake, what else could I do with all this BRF? Has anyone tried adding it to their substrate to give it more nutrition? Like maybe something like
75 coir 15 verm 5 gyp 5 BRF
If this would be pointless, any other ideas?
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huxley_hound
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: bEelzeBosS] 1
#19051241 - 10/29/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You said you don't bake, but I fry with leftover BRF all the time. It's great with lemon juice and italian seasoning on tilapia, for example. Hope this helps
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: huxley_hound] 1
#19051317 - 10/29/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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^ Cooking is an excellent option! Learn to bake a little, it's so easy!
Myco-wise, BRF has 2 other main uses and you hit on one of them already.
It can be used to supplement the fruiting power of the substrate, used 5-10%. However the substrate must be sterilized. So if you're using myco-bags to sterilize any mix of manure/coir/straw/verm you can add some BRF to that.
If you're able to sterilize and inoc bulk substrates in bags, it's possible to use more like 12-25% BRF and inoc with just a few grains! Giant PFtek so-to-speak.
The other use is for agar. When I don't have grainwater handy, which I use for agar, I use BRF to make it.
 1 tablespoon of BR flour weighs ~10g. Not all of the flour will become suspended in the water so I use 1.5-2 tablespoons for 500mL.
Blend or boil it into the water. Boiling takes some energy but gets the nutrition into the water more thoroughly so takes a bit less flour. Blending is quick but could leave the water thin if you use little flour and don't blend very well.
Pour into some kind of container and let it settle. Bit of BRF will settle to the bottom after a little while. Pour off the liquid and use for agar, leaving the sediment behind!
With a little help from something to create a good fruiting surface, it's possible to actually grow full mushrooms from such grain agar. Maybe about 2 tablespoons per ~200mL makes for a very nutritious mix, not settled/strained, using just 1/3 to 1/2 the agar-agar powder. But you'd have to ask Anne Halonium for more about that one.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: huxley_hound]
#19051319 - 10/29/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can buy a big bag of verm, make a big batch of PF mix and run it in bags. It's kinda slow, but it yields well once it's done. This works best if you have a big LC that you can use. LC isn't too reliable, but if you make several and use agar to inoculate, you can usually get at least one or 2 to work out.
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bEelzeBosS
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19051418 - 10/29/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good ideas, thanks!
Violet - you said if using to supplement the substrate it must be sterilized...why would pasteurizing not be sufficient? Does BRF contain more mold spores than coir/verm?
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: bEelzeBosS] 1
#19051448 - 10/29/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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grains and grain flours are highly nutritious and therefore highly susceptible to contamination until 100% colonized.
They need to be sterilized and remain in sterile conditions until 100% colonized.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19051458 - 10/29/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It might work but only if you inoculate into the bagged substrate, still using mycobags. But don't count on it. Grain ingredients are not pasteurize-able, too nutritious. I've been so lucky as to "pasteurize" grass seed in bulk substrates back when I tried such things, but I seriously wouldn't recommend it as a viable way to grow.
One thing is for sure - if you dump-out your pasteurized substrate into a tub/tray and attempt to colonize with "spawn", that brown rice being uncolonized in untreated environs has an extremely high chance of contaminating.
So, sterilize!
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#26444755 - 01/21/20 12:13 PM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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I have some "old" brf in a zip lock bag back when I did cakes...man pf tek was horrible. So im going to experiment and mix some brf with some popcorn. Going to post my results here for anyone interested
My popcorn jars contain -popcorn -coffee -gypsum -karo
Experimental jar (1/2 jar) -Same contents as above -brf
Will post results contam or no contam
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I make Agar with mine.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: newtomyc]
#26451780 - 01/25/20 12:27 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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how do you make agar with brf? Do you follow a tek and replace their said ingredient with brf?
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Drboomer
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Make agar Make cakes and shred to bulk
Bread and deep fry chicken and fish in it. It takes real well to old bay seasoning and McCormick Montreal chicken.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: Drboomer]
#26451853 - 01/25/20 01:02 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Im about to fruit some mudda bottles i made with coir, BRF and WBS. Colonized nicely with LC.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: Doyledozo] 1
#26456479 - 01/28/20 08:59 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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6g of brf 9g of agar-agar 500ml of h20
This is mushboy recipe. I like a like less agar-agar.
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: newtomyc]
#26457003 - 01/28/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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newtomyc said: 6g of brf 9g of agar-agar 500ml of h20
This is mushboy recipe. I like a like less agar-agar.
How much are you using? How stiff is it? What brand agar? I find that the nownfoods brand gels harder than the telephone brand for me anyway
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: Drboomer]
#26457039 - 01/28/20 03:13 PM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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I use telephone. 9g per 500 is rather stiff but just right imo.
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newtomyc
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: Drboomer]
#26457965 - 01/29/20 05:08 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Drboomer said:
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newtomyc said: 6g of brf 9g of agar-agar 500ml of h20
This is mushboy recipe. I like a like less agar-agar.
How much are you using? How stiff is it? What brand agar? I find that the nownfoods brand gels harder than the telephone brand for me anyway
I use telephone. 9g is a little harder than I like so I use 8g.
Try it out. See what you think. If your like me, you have a nice big bag.
It's the best agar recipe I have found for growth. Mushboy knows his shit.
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Endless Buddha


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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: newtomyc] 2
#26560310 - 03/27/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whenever I try brf agar the mycelium looks weak, doesn't grow to the bottom and is non rhizomorphic. It doesn't look or smell contaminated, I even see some with pins
Im going to have to put some pics om here (when im sober hehe)
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Quote:
Endless Buddha said: I have some "old" brf in a zip lock bag back when I did cakes...man pf tek was horrible. So im going to experiment and mix some brf with some popcorn. Going to post my results here for anyone interested
I also have some leftover BRF and recently began using popcorn. I'm curious, did it work out?
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Re: What to do with all this BRF? [Re: Psiloptics]
#26881246 - 08/15/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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it was months ago..
adding brf to grain jars is wack.
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