Home | Community | Message Board

Magic Mushrooms Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineMosey3012
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 675
Last seen: 4 months, 9 days
Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS*
    #19051032 - 10/29/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If im getting a lot of pins to come up but their growth seems sluggish and they aren't growing very big... would it be safe to assume that my FAE needs some adjustment? Or am I being an impatient fuck and expecting more 2 fast? Just feels like on past grows they came up and got real big real fast... Whats more confusing is that the one side pin that managed to pop up is much bigger and growing much faster then the guys on the surface... Thoughts on this pwease!


Cluster - 10-26 3pm


Cluster - 10-27 8pm


Cluster - 10-28 11pm


Side P - 10-26 1:30pm


Side P - 10-27 8pm


Side P - 10-28 11pm


AA+ - 10-26 1:30pm


AA+ - 10-27 8pm


AA+ - 10-28 11pm


AA+ Side - 10-27 12am


AA+ Side - 10-28 12am

The mono is maintaining a 98%+ RH constantly and honestly I assumed there had to be a decent amount of FAE occurring considering the amount of knotting and pins that are still appearing... There's a 6500K bulb sitting right above the tub on a 12/12 timer so I know lighting is sufficient as its the same light I've use for past experiments. Went ahead and am experimenting with more FAE and will be trying to fan out the tub a few more times a day. Was fanning it out once or twice at this point but honestly was under the impression that with the mono it was unnecessary as well "set and forget" is usually the term thrown around with them. Would I be able to up the FAE and sacrifice a bit of RH due to the fact that I'm using a casing which should supply a higher RH on the sub surface then what the hygrom is telling me the mono is at?


--------------------

"Each of these lives is the right one! Every path is the right path. Everything could have been anything else and it would have just as much meaning"



"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost"



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSpitballJedi
Ancient Astronaut
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/13/12
Posts: 8,598
Loc: Nibiru Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS* [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19051128 - 10/29/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Aside from genetics, small fruits often indicate low moisture in the substrate. This, if my understanding is correct, is why you need to bottom water.

It sounds like you are not using a monotub in the sense that it's usually refereed to. In the usual sense, the substrate provides all the humidity you need.

It sounds like you are using a mono stye tub for fruiting V-tek.

I'm no expert/fan of the Violet tek, but, my understanding is that you will need to bottom water.


--------------------
The Basics
A little civility goes a long way

The Noob Forum
The Hammock Hangers' Forum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleViolet
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/06/11
Posts: 4,205
Re: Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS* [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19051173 - 10/29/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You shouldn't need to bottom-water until after the first flush. It's not even really possible until the sides of the cake have shrunk from the sides of the container.

This isn't really a question directly pertaining to my tek.  Rather it's a question as to why his Cubensis cultures are behaving this way on his substrate in his environment.

My guess wouldn't be too little FAE, but perhaps "too much", not because they're getting too much air but because they cannot fully humidify the chamber's air enough by themselves.  My guess is they're losing moisture from the surface and the genes aren't hardy enough to boom on top anyways, hence the larger side-pin. Maybe your tote is large, and you still have mono-holes unstuffed/uncovered, so the tote doesn't reach 100%RH quickly or at all.

It does seem as if you're using multi-spore, and combined with having loaded your containers too tall this is practically asking for sidepins.


As for why they're slow-growing... :shrug: what may cause fruits to grow slower on straight-grains?  Grains being undercooked?  Unwelcoming environment?  ... or genetics? After all, you have one that's growing large at 'normal' pace in the sidepin microclimate and the ones on top are hesitant to leave the casing layer microclimate.


Keep going with it!  Go ahead and try bottom-watering when you can, ensure you have high humidity, all that jazz. Good luck!


--------------------
Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it!

PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers
The simplest, quickest, safest tek!  For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers!
Violet's Teks and Posts


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMosey3012
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/12
Posts: 675
Last seen: 4 months, 9 days
Re: Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS* [Re: Violet]
    #19051499 - 10/29/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I am using multi-spore. Grown out on agar then innoc'd via wedges to grains prepped exactly as your tek instructed.

I'm using a standard mono build dialed in with polyfill, I feel very comfortable saying that with the amount of containers in here there is more then enough humidity being created by them to maintain sufficient humidity as a whole.

So it could be that potentially I'm providing "too much" FAE thus their inability to "bulk up" due to excessive air flow, even though I've managed to keep the RH in there at 100% constantly?... This actually makes sense in a way as I've kept my fan on a click higher then usual to try ensure adequate FAE but perhaps this is detrimental to their development as they're not having enough time to absorb it before its bustled around or out the tub... I was under the impression that if I could keep a 100% RH that there was no such thing as "too much" FAE. But even at 100%RH, to much FAE would potentially result in what I'm dealing with?... I asked this because I was more curious on what might cause these things to occur. Sounds like that both "too much" and "too little" can result in similar growth though, although "too little" seems to include fuzzy feet as well from what I gather.

So im going to drop the fan speed and stuff the holes a bit tighter with poly as they were stuffed pretty lightly to ensure lots of FAE. I feel like this honestly might have been what the issue is because I have some larger glass jars i threw in there to mess around with that the mushrooms in them are growing nice and meaty like they should, probably because they weren't being exposed to as much FAE as the surface mushrooms on the pp5's. Which is also why that 1 side pin is doing so well.

As for side pinning Im not really 2 worried about that happening at this point. Trying to focus more on getting general growth parameters met for future works. Im not saying I dont want to avoid it, just that at this point its not my primary concern, i do however appreciate the advice on over filling the containers. Having seen the size mushrooms the tiny bit in the glass jars were able to make Im now convinced that more isn't better in this situation. I must admit that I did have my doubt though :-X


--------------------

"Each of these lives is the right one! Every path is the right path. Everything could have been anything else and it would have just as much meaning"



"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost"



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleViolet
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/06/11
Posts: 4,205
Re: Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS* [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19051709 - 10/29/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In a sense you're partially correct about there not being "too much" FAE as long as there is 100% humidity.
But more importantly it depends on where that humidity comes from. In this case, it comes from small casing layers. That means your amount of FAE is directly related to moisture loss.

You don't need very much air exchange for these small substrates.
Your "dialed-in" "monotub" is for a huge single substrate full of moisture that easily provides the necessary humidity but produces so much CO2 that it needs about as much air as it can get. That's not the case the way you're using it now.
Having a fan blowing air around it like you would a monotub will only make it worse.

So if you somehow actually are getting 100%RH, it's at great expense to your casings...

Quote:

They can fruit in practically any chamber. Shotgun terrariums, hi-humidity "greenhouses" or tents, old monotubs or unmodified totes work great and involve their own subtleties to work with this technique. I've even seen some other solutions used such as fishtanks, large water bottles, plastic storage baggies...

The fruiting condition is steadily high humidity (suggested ~93-99% RH, 100%RH uncased) and adequate air exchange.

These two factors effect each other but such small cakes tend to favor conditions of controlled air exchange in favor of retained moisture.

Adequate air exchange is typically the problem for mycology grows, but since these substrates are small it is much easier to reach. Watering the cakes instead of re-colonizing additional substrate means that there is not 2-10x the breathing mycelium due to colonized watermass.

The air requirement of a container will vary by how rich the air is with O2 and how heavy with CO2. Different buildings and places build up CO2 differently, varying with inhabitants. Also different genetics will respond more or less healthily with CO2 buildup.




My suggestion would be to tape the holes over or stuff them tightly, turn off that fan (at least move it away from direct exposure to the FC), fan manually 2-4 times a day as appears needed in your environment, and mist each time particularly onto the sides of the chamber.

:]


--------------------
Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it!

PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers
The simplest, quickest, safest tek!  For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers!
Violet's Teks and Posts


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSpitballJedi
Ancient Astronaut
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/13/12
Posts: 8,598
Loc: Nibiru Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Violets PP5's - Mono - Slow small fruits - FAE? - PICS* [Re: Violet]
    #19051754 - 10/29/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Violet said:
So if you somehow actually are getting 100%RH, it's at great expense to your casings...





Yeah. I think this is the main problem....drying out. That's why I suggested maybe bottom watering


--------------------
The Basics
A little civility goes a long way

The Noob Forum
The Hammock Hangers' Forum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Slow Fruits MAYA 2,131 3 05/22/01 11:25 AM
by Billyblastoff
* Re: slow fruiting!!! vivid 1,392 2 01/04/00 02:01 AM
by vivid
* What am I doing wrong? (slow WBS colonization)
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
SamplelnAJar 2,783 82 03/21/18 02:37 PM
by SamplelnAJar
* Wide Mouth PP5 Plastic Lids? themycoman 3,901 12 11/13/10 07:00 PM
by Javadog
* old mycelium solution = tiny fruits? gordonliu 1,201 3 02/03/04 01:37 PM
by Akrobatik
* slowness Zin 767 6 11/15/02 01:12 PM
by Zin
* BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil)
( 1 2 3 4 ... 228 229 )
bodhisattaMDiscordReddit 1,339,043 4,564 02/13/24 11:06 AM
by takesix
* how to slow down fruiting for a few days markus 1,376 3 12/17/02 01:46 AM
by MickyFinn

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
1,333 topic views. 25 members, 186 guests and 47 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 12 queries.