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The next step
#19048895 - 10/28/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i want to be a substance abuse counselor because drug abuse sucks balls but it's also extremely misunderstood and i don't think these kinds of people get the right kind of support. i know i hardly get any support... a lot of my closest friends are right over there in Other Drugs Discussion.
the point of this thread is for either A) me to vent, which i'm already kind of doing but i'm gonna leave it at this and B) i want to hear success stories from people who were once in a hole and were depressed and had at least one problem in their life but were able to overcome it, or at least live with it, and re-associate with the outside world while still not neglecting the pain you've went through and never stopping to help other people you see in the same boat
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Re: The next step [Re: extreme]
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What kinds of drugs are we talking about not using and abusing? Anything except psychedelics I hope? 
I've never abused anything other than pr0n and video games back in the day. Do they count? 
The Ayahuasca church visits for me were quite insightful, I've seen (and later also read about) different people who were able to stop major life-crippling addictions (heroin, cocaine, alcoholism) with Aya, so that has made a great impression on me.
I think your next step is to read and get well informed about support for people with addictions, and see what resonates with you. IMO the use of psychedelics to end addictions is the most magical and fascinating to look into, but that's just me
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Re: The next step [Re: extreme]
#19050089 - 10/29/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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extreme said: i want to be a substance abuse counselor because drug abuse sucks balls but it's also extremely misunderstood and i don't think these kinds of people get the right kind of support.
Of course they don't get the right kind of support in a culture where we would just as soon throw them in prison.
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You will be pretty much stuck practicing prescribed western therapy and unorthodox suggestions or communicating that you don't disapprove of certain drugs can get you canned. Just consider that.
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Re: The next step [Re: Yogi1]
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Yogi1 said: You will be pretty much stuck practicing prescribed western therapy and unorthodox suggestions or communicating that you don't disapprove of certain drugs can get you canned. Just consider that.
Unless he was to become a licensed therapist and start his own practice.
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Re: The next step [Re: XUL]
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Unless he was to become a licensed therapist and start his own practice.
I don't think you're getting it. It's a liability issue when one of the patients ods on heroin and his idiot family wants to place blame anywhere but themselves.
Malpractice by way of being different.
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Re: The next step [Re: Yogi1]
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Yogi1 said: You will be pretty much stuck practicing prescribed western therapy and unorthodox suggestions or communicating that you don't disapprove of certain drugs can get you canned. Just consider that.
Unless he was to become a licensed therapist and start his own practice.
I don't think you're getting it. It's a liability issue when one of the patients ods on heroin and his idiot family wants to place blame anywhere but themselves.
Malpractice by way of being different.
There are such things as consent forms that will protect you. Consult an attorney is my advice.
Plus therapists are not really there to tell you how to fell. They are there to help you understand your feelings and make positive suggestions. At least that is what I have gathered from studying psychology and having seen therapists.
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Re: The next step [Re: XUL]
#19056895 - 10/30/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If they tell you to drink to quit smoking its malpractice.
I'm not saying its the same but people are retarded.
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Re: The next step [Re: Yogi1]
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Yogi1 said: If they tell you to drink to quit smoking its malpractice.
I'm not saying its the same but people are retarded.
Indeed.
Original poster,
I think that a substance abuse counselor would be a great. I also think you may discover new ideas during your education. When you begin to study drug reactions in depth I think you may find some interesting discoveries!
Either way, Good luck.
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Re: The next step [Re: XUL]
#19057450 - 10/30/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive only met one person who wanted to be a substance abuse/addiction counselor. She was all about POT being the most evil thing ever.
Just don't be like her, some misinformed self riotous retard
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Well you know, marijuana cigarettes only get you high because your brain is bleeding
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Re: The next step [Re: extreme]
#19057545 - 10/30/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My brother also had a desire to become a counselor for people that need "help" for quitting addicting substances. He first wanted to become a doctor but my mom persuaded him to abandon that avenue and to instead aspire to become a counselor. Her cousin also was a counselor until he quit last May because his doctor called him and said that he wanted him to fly to Canada to play world tennis with him. They started up a tennis team and he never went back to being a counselor after that. His brother also first suggested that he never go to Canada and instead stay doing what he was doing, but, indeed, his wife actually announced that a man in London was planning on flying there to murder him for killing his cousin. (tho he actually never did kill his cousin and they had the wrong person).
I was recently discussing with my wife(right before I was going back to France because my best friend recently discovered that he was going to have a million dollars coming in and he wanted to share half of it with me on account of realizing that three years before I saved him in a car accident which I couldn't even remember.), and we were talking about how we wanted to help assist other people in abstaining from taking drugs because of the burden they place on people, but right as we started talking about it she had a call from her brother who told her that she was needed in the office for an exam her teacher gave her.
So as we were speaking we realized that there were other people discussing this very topic in the house nextdoor to us. They created a group dedicated to helping others quit so we decided to collaborate our forces together to try and create the greatest group ever. A group that would enable us to help others put down the needle, to do what they knew they wanted to do but until we came to them had they not really discovered that they wanted to, indeed, since sometimes oyu need someone to tell you what you need to do without you actually saying it, you always need that person that knows what's better for yourself than you do, its absolutely correct to assert that we must tell others the right way to live, to stop doing the drugs for it will obviously ruin their lives..
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Re: The next step [Re: drkkenny]
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Your paragraph structure man...

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Re: The next step [Re: Yogi1]
#19058117 - 10/30/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the responses everyone 
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Yogi1 said: If they tell you to drink to quit smoking its malpractice.
I'm not saying its the same but people are retarded.
Indeed.
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I think that a substance abuse counselor would be a great. I also think you may discover new ideas during your education. When you begin to study drug reactions in depth I think you may find some interesting discoveries!
Either way, Good luck.
Yea I'm basically just starting college and taking generals, but I'm in my second class this year that falls under the whole psychology umbrella. It has been really nice learning about certain feelings and behaviors that help to describe me and people I know. Honestly, being able to relate certain concepts to my own life and thinking critically about certain things has help facilitate some really positive overall lifestyle changes, like finally trying to give up most drugs (I don't have problems with things like weed). But a lot of the drugs I have now, once I run out, I'm not getting more. That alone is such an amazing and necessary change for me to make at this point in my life. I'm honestly pretty anxious about it and at first I bet it's gonna be really hard, but in the end it will be well worth it. I know my family will support me 100% too, and it will feel really nice to rebuild some of my damaged relationships, and also make new relationships without feeling guilty/ashamed. Thing is, I knew I'd be making this change and giving all this up since probably the beginning of this year. Just didn't know exactly when... back then I probably gave myself about a year lol. It looks like that's gonna be just about right! I knew about the general timeframe and that eventually I'd want to let it go, but just last Friday did I really enforce this on myself and finalize my decision. Seriously some of it is so hard, but another part is like the biggest weight being lifted.
Drug use can turn into a chore pretty quickly, and sadly for most people when it starts to become a chore the drug still has recreational value and makes them happy, or at least takes away their pain. By the time most people realize how little good the drug is doing for them, most at the very least have a strong psychological dependence, if not a physical dependence. Physically I'm not hooked on anything too bad, but I know I've reinforced the chore of getting high so many times that even though a lot of the time I don't really want to take drugs, I do anyway just because it's something I'm used to doing.
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Just don't be like her, some misinformed self riotous retard
Lol, I hope she didn't make it through college and get a degree (especially a degree as a SA counselor..) thinking pot is the most evil thing ever. Just about every drug known to man is more evil than pot. Yea, I won't be like her 
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What a coincidence... I was actually thinking basically the same thing I underlined in your post just 5 minutes before I opened this thread. I talked to my counselor at school today and even if you already know what's best for you, it feels better hearing it from another person that cares about you. Honestly she doesn't tell me too much stuff I don't already know.. the positive reinforcement comes from simply being able to openly talk about my problems with another human being face to face and not have them freak out and walk away and call the cops.
I think your post is serious but that part I bolded though at the end sounded kind of sarcastic. As a counselor you don't so much "tell people the right way to live" but your job is more just to listen and help the person understand their emotions. I don't want to work in a treatment center where 17 year old kids that smoked weed once have to go to "treatment" because it's that or jail. I want it to be totally optional for the patient to come to, where they alone decide that they want help for their drug problem, and I just want to offer people an ear and help them sort through and understand their emotions and behaviors. I know firsthand what it's like to go through the stage when everything is awesome and nothing is more rewarding than just getting high. But that very soon turns into a chore, although for a little while longer this chore still provides people with pleasure, and eventually the pleasure starts to fade and all that's left is a very unhealthy habit that can be very hard to overcome. If I make it from where I'm at right now to a career as a SA counselor, I'd feel extremely proud of myself for making a comeback like that, and then giving others the opportunity to help quit their addictions.
I think it's cool too when you can talk to someone who used to be addicted but has recovered and lives a happy life without drugs (or at least the drugs having a negative impact on their life). The one thing I've thought would be cool to say to patients though that goes against this:
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is, in regards to getting high on the patient's DOC (I've tried just about every popular drug at least once) but it would still be nice to grin at them and say "I'm sure that first time was a blast!" or something like that. I know that borders on dangerous for me to say because it could very easily give them the wrong idea, but I'm here to help them overcome their problems so of course I'm not condoning their use! The way I mean it is basically just saying "hey I've been there before too and I know what it's like, at first drugs are fun, otherwise you wouldn't be doing them." Maybe I should just stick with that instead lol. But I think it helps immensely when talking to someone about your problems, to be able to talk to someone who has overcome similar struggles. It not only shows that it's possible to quit but it's also proof that I've been through some similar situations and have done the same drugs and I made it out alive. If I can do it and I'm happy, I think one of the most noble things I could do in life is help people work through the same problems I've had.
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Re: The next step [Re: drkkenny]
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God dammit with these paragraphs and run on sentences man, it's all completely unreadable. I expected at least half of them to end with "I looked to my kingdom, I was finally there, To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air"
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Me? I've always kinda thought really short sentences that all convey one idea read funny to me. I'm a pretty slow reader, but it's because I'm very thorough. Sometimes I have a tendency to let my sentences run kind of long, but they still make sense. They're just abnormally long sometimes, particularly when I'm on harder drugs like today and my thoughts tend to run into each other 
The paragraphs aren't that bad though. On the preview page at first glance it did seem kinda chunky, but then I looked closer and I think having quoted 4 people in my post just makes it look longer than it really is. But yea, it does look chunky. On the preview page I was going to add a TLDR at the top, but instead of a TLDR it would have been an * saying sorry for the wall of text. Then I actually read my post though and split one paragraph and I think it read fine.
That's so off topic though, I wasn't looking for writing tips 
I was actually pretty inspired when I made that post compared to my OP. I made the OP because I was feeling depressed about following through with this, but I'm more confident I can do it now. Just before making my second post I was in school and talked to both my psych instructor and my counselor. I just kinda talked to them about my depression and they showed care and support back to me. This in turn made me feel better about myself.
Which is what inspires me to become a counselor type person; I want to help other good people who are hurting inside feel better about themselves, particularly good people who suffer from addiction because it is such a dangerous coping strategy that I understand very well.
It's a little weird too because I know if most sober people knew how often I was on what drugs they'd probably label me a junkie. But I also know if most junkies knew how often I was on what drugs they'd probably label me a sober person. I'm kind of caught in no man's land right now but I'll basically be back on the sober side in a couple months. At that time I'm really going to examine my problems and start my healing process. I think giving up drugs will be a lot easier than facing all of my demons. Interestingly enough, earlier today I took comfort in knowing some of the demons I have already overcome are just as bad as the demons I'll be facing when I start getting help.
All drug abuse does is provide temporary relief for problems that just come back when the high is gone. And a lot of that time spent high is generally wasted, which only adds a regretfulness factor when you're ready to get help. But I guess it's better late than never - like I said I've actually already overcome a few really bad demons in just the past year. Although it was really painful at the time, and I still feel stupid for wasting that time, I can't change the past and ultimately I'm glad I decided to do something about it eventually. Those areas of my life have improved since I addressed those problems, so I suppose I should do the same with the rest of my problems sometime soon right?
I know it's going to be tough. It's also going to be tough knowing the relief some of these drugs can bring and it'll suck not having them. In the end it'll be so worth it though! I guess one silver lining could be that I've actually learned what a lot of my problems are from drug use. On my first mg+ LSD trip, I couldn't hide from a lot of problems I didn't even know I had (but they were sure recognizable once the L brought them back into my conscious thought). Honestly I've only done the really hard drugs since that trip, but every time I've done them, I've paid close attention to what they were "fixing." I've watched what behaviors change and why. I suppose that may come in handy when they ask me "so what's the problem?"
Referring back to my OP I said this "the point of this thread is for either A) me to vent, which i'm already kind of doing but i'm gonna leave it at this..." clearly I didn't just leave it at that, but venting by just writing is a good way to vent. It's my catharsis. Just these 2 posts today have been good for me.
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Re: The next step [Re: extreme]
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Nah mate, my post was referring to drkkenny. You can even see it's a reply to his post, though that's probably an easy detail to miss.
All in all I think the whole profession of drug addiction counseling and such could be massively reduced if they just allowed some Ayahuasca churches to sprout up, like in the Netherlands. Most documentaries you see, or if you go to one and just talk to people, you see that many of them quit some bad habit or another, that was holding them back.
The difference being that an Aya church is cheap effective and hella fun, you joyously keep going even if you have no problem at all to fix, whereas going in for drug counseling is slow embarrassing boring and expensive by comparison.
Anyway if you feel that's your calling in life go for it
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Nah mate, my post was referring to drkkenny. You can even see it's a reply to his post, though that's probably an easy detail to miss.
All in all I think the whole profession of drug addiction counseling and such could be massively reduced if they just allowed some Ayahuasca churches to sprout up, like in the Netherlands. Most documentaries you see, or if you go to one and just talk to people, you see that many of them quit some bad habit or another, that was holding them back.
The difference being that an Aya church is cheap effective and hella fun, you joyously keep going even if you have no problem at all to fix, whereas going in for drug counseling is slow embarrassing boring and expensive by comparison.
Anyway if you feel that's your calling in life go for it 
I actually did notice your reply to that guy, but I still usually assume people respond to the most recent post unless they quote someone above that. And like I said I honestly wouldn't be surprised on first glance if that post seemed "chunky" to other people because when I saw the preview screen I remember thinking that myself. And I really do think I make longer sentences than most people do and use way more commas/conjunctions, etc.
But you think Aya treatment works that well huh? What % of people that try it do you think it significantly helps? You know, I actually considered that myself a few times as something I could try to see if it would help me. I think I would want somebody there that has taken it before though that could help/tripsit me, as I'm pretty sure that's one hell of a trip. It would be worth a shot though. As far as treatment for other people is concerned, I think it'll be a while until giving someone such a powerful psychedelic in order to "heal" them is accepted as a very good treatment option. And that's not to say it's not good at treating people, but trying to convince our lawmakers that fixing problems with an extremely powerful psychedelic is a very successful treatment option seems like a tough one that's gonna take some time. I've heard ibogaine can have similar healing properties for people with addiction.
And I'm not sure if it's my calling in life, I just think it's at the top of the list right now. I've been searching for my calling in life for years now and I just don't know what it is. Psychology/the brain has been one of my favorite things to learn about since I was like 16 though. I don't think I've had any other interest last me that long. But I've jumped from that to being a farmer to joining the military to getting some boring desk job to playing the stock market to being a truck driver to going full-time at my current job (I could make it a career then but I need at least another 5 years until I have the seniority to accept that).
Part of my creative side wants to write a sort of auto-biography, but that's more for personal satisfaction and to express myself than for any large financial gain. I don't think I could make a career from that but it would be a very cool personal achievement.
As you can see the decision of what I want to do with my life has been a difficult one. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it too, but I still can't seem to choose just one thing. No doubt that's been very frustrating to me and has created some problems. I sort of just feel like I'm the type of person that might just never want to call one thing a "career" since it's hard for me to say I'm interested in any one thing that much.
One thing that was encouraging for me though was taking a career assessment due to this very problem of not knowing what I want to do... I basically entered my interest levels for various job skills into a big assessment thing and it gave matches to me for jobs based on my interests/skills. I answered this in a way I would have psychology type professions show up at the top of my list, but literally NUMBER ONE was "substance abuse and behavioral disorder counselor." There wasn't a box anywhere that asked me if I've used/abused drugs before either, or if I had behavioral disorders. But yea that means that "bias" wouldn't be there, yet it still came out as #1. So I just thought that was really cool and if I want to be superstitious, maybe it was a sign
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Re: The next step [Re: extreme]
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Oh well, where to begin?
Aya, I can only speak about things I know of personally, and that is Aya taken in the group Santo Daime context. Which I initially thought would totally suck due to the Jesus involvement, but actually it didn't bother me one bit, because eyes once closed and not speaking Portuguese, I could easily imagine myself in the middle of an Egyptian ritual to Horus 
THe effects on people, I've spoken with several former addicts of various sorts in there, from simple smoking to former alcoholics to heroin and cocaine, and I've seen many in documentaries as well. There are videos and studies for you to look at, do a bit of research and check things out. We have statistics about how well it works.
Ibogaine works indeed, but I wouldn't start with it. First off I don't think it's fun, the risks are a bit higher for people with a bad heart, and it's expensive as hell. Aya done this way is also a social event, healthy group integration, creativity booster.
I for one am quite certain that if depressed, if addicted, if even fucking bored not knowing what to do, an Aya ceremony can very well send you on your way. Once strapped to the interdimensional space ship and shot through the space dolphins, singing stars and liquid ???'s as far as the eye can see, the worries you came in with will be a distant memory. For me that's THE treatment for depression now, and if judging by the stats, it also does the same for others. Specific technical questions (like an architect or researcher might ask) can get relevant answers and insights, so certainly potential to explore there.
Don't bother experimenting on your own unless you're completely broke. If you can, consider and prep for some travels to places where people do it right, in ceremony. Also consider that it's not a once-per-lifetime thing. The effects won't last forever. Some learning is long term but to actually feel the spirit with you and thrive and roll, you need to take is more regularly. Plan on going at least once a year or something. SD members take it once or twice a month 
I suspect other psychedelics could have similar effects, if taken in a context that's similar to Santo Daime ceremonies, that is, large organized groups singing / tripping for 7-12 hours. If ever that legal clusterfuck is straightened out and you can start using say, Peyote or anything with mescaline, that's well worth looking into. But in groups, not alone. The music and group setting does a lot of the work in resetting certain brain patterns back to normal optimal functioning.
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