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how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted
    #19040518 - 10/27/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so I had a huge epiphany last night I was explaining to someone how the concept of hapiness is something totally personnal like what I need to be happy might not be the same thing as you, with the fact that society push pretty a unique version to be happy wich most people follow blindly and while many might be perfectly happy with it theres many people that "wake-up" one day realisin they spent their whole pursuing the wrong method to achieve hapyness, and then it struck me, it was just a theory at first but it's so "universal" that all kind of "fact" started to appear to me so fast it's like the concept was put directly in my head like I never took the time to think about it all the implication of my theory all appeared at the same time as the most obvious things. I've been writing and thinking about this the whole damn night and I'm not even done yet

anyway I've been writing all things that you can deduce from the theory and then develop my idea wich then make other deduction and honestly to me it all makes senses and until science prove me wrong I think my points are pretty valid.

someone probably already came to the same conclusion as me but if I was to have come up with something new, how do philosophical theory gets approuved or refuted? I mean it's just speculation and I think you can only oppose other speculation. so if they say your idea can't be wrong because this idea is the consensus then how thos this "accepted" idea became aprouved?....

btw my theory is about what motivate the people when they make a decision I don't want to say it yet but I come to the very plausible conclusion that the iddea that YOU are making a decision is basicly an illusion.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19040609 - 10/27/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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someone probably already came to the same conclusion as me but if I was to have come up with something new, how do philosophical theory gets approuved or refuted? I mean it's just speculation and I think you can only oppose other speculation. so if they say your idea can't be wrong because this idea is the consensus then how thos this "accepted" idea became aprouved?....





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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: NetDiver]
    #19040662 - 10/27/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oh it's all logical once you accept my theory as plausible but I'm checking the net to see if there is a consencus on wether or not the human is good or bad by nature. I kinda start with something along those line but you gotta accept a certain moral idea that I use for the starting point as plausible.

I mean what's good and bad is often debatable with both opinion being valid

anyway my iddea is not the point, what I want to know is if there is a certain processus that you need to apply to any new iddea to be accepted or rejected something like the scientific method to investigate new theory

or is there a certain format in wich it need to be written. so far I have my iddea all over the place and I'm asking these questin to help me synthessis it into something structured


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics] * 1
    #19040675 - 10/27/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, for ethics it's a bit different, but there are rigorous methods of logically proving certain arguments valid or invalid. Generally these relate to matters in which at least some fact can be objectively (that is, inter-subjectively) determined. If you can't determine whether a statement in an argument is true, you'll have a difficult time deciding the validity of the argument.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19044812 - 10/28/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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anyway my iddea is not the point, what I want to know is if there is a certain processus that you need to apply to any new iddea to be accepted or rejected something like the scientific method to investigate new theory

or is there a certain format in wich it need to be written. so far I have my iddea all over the place and I'm asking these questin to help me synthessis it into something structured




The structure and format is up to you, famous philosophers throughout the ages have had many different ways of writing their ideas. For instance you have someone like Jean-Paul Sartre who wrote these MASSIVE ontological tomes in traditional essay format, and then you have someone like Wittgenstein who preferred to write out and number each individual thought to create an order of importance for each premise. And then you have older works of philosophy such as the Upanishads which are written as a collection of short, almost poetic pieces.

Really it is completely up to you. Also there is no set process like the scientific method either. For a philosophy to become "accepted" it usually means that the philosopher was simply at the right place at the right time in history. The work of most philosophers is not understood or accepted generally often until generations after their death. This is one of the reasons philosophy takes a different trajectory than the scientific method. The last 60 years are of HUGE importance to science, whereas the last 60 years of philosophy are more or less ignored by your average "Philosophy 101" class. 

So if you would like to take your ideas seriously, you should just keep writing, don't limit yourself in any way, don't try and write your magnum opus right off the bat, but focus on freely journaling these ideas when and where they strike you. Also, it is crucial to commit serious time to reading other philosophies so you can truly understand the breadth and depth of the philosophers who came before you, as well as the techniques for writing and expressing such complex things.

Based off of what you've revealed about the ideas you've been having, I would suggest starting with Jean-Paul Sartre's "Being and Nothingness". It will widen your horizons vastly and improve your thought, and give you a crash course in the history of philosophy.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: windowlikcer]
    #19046577 - 10/28/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thanks man, exactly what I was looking for.

as for reading other books I'll wait before I'm done with my text, I fear I'll be influenced or discouraged by contradicting iddea.

it's funny how that happened, until yesterday I was never interested in philosophy never read a single book about it. in college I even droped my philo. class after I got in a beef with the teacher because he wouldn't accept me questioning and contradicting a certain thing lol and here I am writing my own theory.

btw I decided to not post it because I'm writing it in french and I doubt my english skills are good enough to make a faitful translation.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19046587 - 10/28/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you can get the most people on your side then you win! :cheer:


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19046732 - 10/28/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

let supposed my text is not completly retarded is it easy to get published, how do I make it available?


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If you can get the most people on your side then you win! :cheer:




nice, an other popularity contest:smirk: seriously how is the philosophy scene, are people objective toward amateur/noob or I need white hair and a degree to be acknowledge?

I don't have any ambition like that I'm just curious.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19046748 - 10/28/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You could use white hair dye until age catches up with you.


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19047141 - 10/28/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

funny


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Re: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #19047664 - 10/28/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Synth Ethics said:
let supposed my text is not completly retarded is it easy to get published, how do I make it available?


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: how do philosophical theory get confirmed or refuted 




If you can get the most people on your side then you win! :cheer:




nice, an other popularity contest:smirk: seriously how is the philosophy scene, are people objective toward amateur/noob or I need white hair and a degree to be acknowledge?

I don't have any ambition like that I'm just curious.




It seems to me like the philosophy movement right now is very fragmented, partially due to over-saturation of publications. It has fragmented philosophy into endless sub-fields of sub-fields. It seems stale and unorganized, lacking original thought. Someone needs to come along and shake this bull shit up a little. I say we need a totally new approach for the 21st century.

If you have a unique approach you will be ridiculed and treated with hostility at first but if your idea is good enough, eventually those same people will act as if they themselves came up with it.


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