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Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis
    #19047453 - 10/28/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure why other than poor education.

The NH does NOT require certainty (a common fallacy presented numerous times in the recent thread) nor does it mean it is true. It means that to be refuted, evidence MUST be presented to counter. It is THE default position.

Let's keep this simple. The Null Hypothesis can be used to mean there is nothing special going on. We can apply this to Life-after-death to link to a recent thread.

The NH would state there is no life after death.

Logic dictates that we accept this as fact until such time that the NH is refuted. Simple!

What does NOT come into play is the amount of emotion was has for or against a position nor the number of people who rail against the NH.

Only evidence is the tool that can crack the wall. Nothing else. Not books nor cool stories nor wishful thinking.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19047609 - 10/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, I don't believe you.  :hehehe:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #19047732 - 10/28/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Logic dictates that we accept this as fact until such time that the NH is refuted. Simple!






Its more accurate to say that we do not reject the null hypothesis until we can exclude it with sufficient confidence.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19047758 - 10/28/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I never even saw NH mentioned in another thread here lately.

The NH does NOT require certainty


I think you started the OP something like this. It won't be like anything at all.

That's a definitive statement of certainty in my book. :shrug:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #19048169 - 10/28/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that there is no life after death (well, I mean perception, of course by definition life is the opposite of death :lol:), however, I can't help but wonder what it means for there to be no life after death.

This is because I've come to the conclusion that there is no reality outside of perception. Perception is reality, this is simply self-evident based on the fact that it is absolutely, fundamentally impossible to gain any evidence of a non-perceptual world. Whether or not there is anything beyond perception makes no difference to us, as even if there is we will never experience it (just like it's possible that there's a God who doesn't intervene at all in human affairs, but if so, said God's existence is totally irrelevant), so for all intents and purposes of discussions we can discount its existence.

Now, since the findings of science have allowed us to predict the behavior of things within perception with increasing accuracy, it's clearly a logical method for answering questions, which is why I argue that scientific materialism, which helps us solve problems, is completely compatible with (and even complimentary to) subjective idealism, which is necessarily true. I believe that an individual is their brain and body by definition, but I also believe that perception is not unique to an individual, since I am not a solipsist. This opens up a whole new can of worms on the question of life after death, even for a scientific physicalist such as myself, because although my perception ends with death, my perception is not the only perception there is, which leads to the cryptic answer "perception will continue after an individual's death, but it won't be that individual's perception" which is up to interpretation.

Hell, it's likely there will be people born one day that have my genetics, which contain elements of my brain structure and personality. That's a very real, physical connection to what I currently think of as "my" mind; they of course will not remember my life experiences but are fundamentally "me" in some important aspects. If memory is all that determines a self, do you die when you get amnesia? If you don't die when you lose your memories, then how are your descendants, who have very similar neurological structures, personalities, etc, different from a version of you which has undergone major changes?

All I'm saying is that, like many philosophical questions, it's not stupid just because it can be brushed off with an easy, thoughtless answer. Saying "after your brain rots you will cease to exist" is just a truism if you take the self to mean the brain. The really interesting versions of the question come when you consider the meaning of self.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: NetDiver]
    #19049287 - 10/28/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Only evidence is the tool that can crack the wall. Nothing else. Not books nor cool stories nor wishful thinking.




I identify with you when you proclaim that evidence is the tool that can crack the well. Yes, scientific evidence - facts, and cause and effect - is truth.

Conversely cool books are a product of science! Without books we would not be able to express to each other the complicated evidence published by researchers.

Stories?

Stories are sociocultural ideas that we express to one another in order to create a general understanding. Stories like Main Street influence millions of people.

I did not care for your short explanation of the Null Hypothesis. If anything it must be studied by a book before I could ever conclude an opinion about it.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19052008 - 10/29/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You stated yourself that the default position may not be true. So why do you always act like you're certain of it?

All this "default position" means is that it is our best available objective guess because we have no evidence for other options. There is still nothing by which we can tell the likelihood of it being true so we cannot even tell how good that guess is. Never mind the likelihood of that guess being reality.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19052041 - 10/29/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

*sigh* The best we can ever do is approach certainty. As new data arrives, the hypothesis/theory may change to accommodate. Science is not inflexible dogma.

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All this "default position" means is that it is our best available objective guess because we have no evidence for other options.




All?

You got it partially right- the second part. The Null Hypothesis is NOT a guess.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19052159 - 10/29/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

conclude (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct.


It's a guess.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19052242 - 10/29/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No guessing is involved. You keep missing this.

Non-existence is assumed for some phenomenon/creature or whatever until such time as sufficient evidence is provided.

For example: The Null Hypothesis is that the Loch Ness monster does not exist. This is not a guess.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19052619 - 10/29/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's an assumption. :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19052870 - 10/29/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yo

most of these posters are just kids.

yea maybe they are wrong.

but they are right in questioning EVERYTHING.

the more thorough one is, the better, of course assuming they will at one point settle with objective reasoning.

i know what you mean though, but still, if one chooses to practice this sort of deviance, shouldn't you be aware you have already "won".

it doesn't make any difference if you prove to a retard that he is retarded. he is retarded all the same.

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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19053273 - 10/29/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's an assumption. :curbyourenthusiasm:




Well its supposed to stay limited to an experiment. Because in an experiment a very specific hypothesis is put forth as well as specific ways to verify the hypothesis. If the hypothesis is not shown then the null hypothesis has been shown. Its called null for a reason. Not because the inverse has been shown, or that nothing has been shown, but rather that what was expected and controlled for did not occur. The expected outcome was nullified.

Sometimes the reason why is clear in the data. Sometimes its very confusing to the experimenter. And sometimes its a matter of statistical significance not quite making the cutoff.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Kickle]
    #19053469 - 10/29/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah didn't see any experiments happening.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19053836 - 10/29/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19054023 - 10/29/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Logic dictates that we accept this as fact until such time that the NH is refuted. Simple!



I think your logic is flawed, because of this...


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Its more accurate to say that we do not reject the null hypothesis until we can exclude it with sufficient confidence.




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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Kickle]
    #19054922 - 10/29/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's an assumption. :curbyourenthusiasm:




Well its supposed to stay limited to an experiment. Because in an experiment a very specific hypothesis is put forth as well as specific ways to verify the hypothesis. If the hypothesis is not shown then the null hypothesis has been shown.




The null hypothesis has not been rejected if the experimental hypothesis has not been proven.  The null is a positive claim which is never proven by the experiment.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
    #19055056 - 10/29/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It isn't proven by the experiment, of course not. It is dependent upon an experiment taking place however. It is a part of the scientific method and I cannot understand any attempt to seperate it from the method itself. I fail to see the relevence of the null hypothesis without a tested hypothesis.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Kickle]
    #19055112 - 10/29/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It isn't proven by the experiment, of course not. It is dependent upon an experiment taking place however. It is a part of the scientific method and cannot understand any attempt to seperate it from the method itself. I fail to see the relevence of the null hypothesis without a tested hypothesis.

Like saying that a contract is null and void but there isn't any contract around. Well yep, the invalidity is there, but...huh?





Well yeah, but I think that's cuz orgone overstated the reality in his posts.  He claimed you presume the null rather than presume it cannot be excluded untill sufficient evidence shows otherwise.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
    #19055156 - 10/29/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
    #19055289 - 10/30/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Kickle said:
It isn't proven by the experiment, of course not. It is dependent upon an experiment taking place however. It is a part of the scientific method and cannot understand any attempt to seperate it from the method itself. I fail to see the relevence of the null hypothesis without a tested hypothesis.

Like saying that a contract is null and void but there isn't any contract around. Well yep, the invalidity is there, but...huh?





Well yeah, but I think that's cuz orgone overstated the reality in his posts.  He claimed you presume the null rather than presume it cannot be excluded untill sufficient evidence shows otherwise.





Must be a lack of education. :haha:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19063674 - 10/31/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not sure why other than poor education.

The NH does NOT require certainty (a common fallacy presented numerous times in the recent thread) nor does it mean it is true. It means that to be refuted, evidence MUST be presented to counter. It is THE default position.

Let's keep this simple. The Null Hypothesis can be used to mean there is nothing special going on. We can apply this to Life-after-death to link to a recent thread.

The NH would state there is no life after death.

Logic dictates that we accept this as fact until such time that the NH is refuted. Simple!

What does NOT come into play is the amount of emotion was has for or against a position nor the number of people who rail against the NH.

Only evidence is the tool that can crack the wall. Nothing else. Not books nor cool stories nor wishful thinking.





What do you mean,

"Logic dictates that we accept this as fact until such time that the NH is refuted. Simple!"

I am unaware of evidence supporting life after death, and I am unaware of any evidence supporting that there is not life after death, therefore I believe the best approach is to not accept either hypothesis.

To assume something doesn't exist because there is no evidence for it is more error prone than to neither assume it exists or assume it doesn't exist.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Freedom]
    #19065092 - 10/31/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The BEST model based on current understanding is that life does not continue after death. It requires NO NEW INFORMATION to hold to this hypothesis. To put forward that there is life-after-death requires tons of new data not in evidence.

To put the two on an equal playing field or to be agnostic about them is to completely misunderstand the null hypothesis - hence this thread.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19065424 - 10/31/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The BEST model based on current understanding is that life does not continue after death.



Explain...The current understanding is that there is no evidence for an afterlife therefor it is illogical to believe in an afterlife based on blind faith. The current understanding is not that there is no afterlife.

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It requires NO NEW INFORMATION to hold to this hypothesis.



Is there some ancient information that you have been enlightened to that allows you to rationally hold to this hypothesis? If not then I think you do need new information.

Why do you need evidence/new information? Well, because no evidence for an afterlife does not equal evidence for no afterlife.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Cactilove]
    #19066649 - 10/31/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lets look at it the other way- lets say we have two groups- the control is a group of living people, and the group being studied is a group of dead people. The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between the two groups. Now we can preform experiments on both groups that test for life.

From wikipedia: "Any contiguous living system is called an organism. Organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations. More complex living organisms can communicate through various means."

The tests would come out that the two groups aren't the same- the dead group fails all the requirements for this definition. Thus, the null hypothesis is rejected: the two groups aren't the same, therefore there is no life after death.

I know, however, that many life after death beliefs define life differently. Such as a soul that can leave the body. However, there is also no evidence for a soul, which then would also have to be tested. The only experiment I know of is where some bloke weighed a body before and after it died and found that it lost mass, but his methods were questioned, and no one has been able to recreate his results using better methods and equipment, such as more sensitive scales.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: White Beard]
    #19067172 - 10/31/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In order to avoid a language barrier we can stop using the word life and start using the concept of a conscience existance after this one.


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    #19067765 - 11/01/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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    #19067824 - 11/01/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19068676 - 11/01/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:lol::thumbup:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19068907 - 11/01/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:winner:

"Members here still struggle..."

Prove it.  Which members?  When?  Provide some evidence.

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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Cactilove]
    #19068994 - 11/01/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In order to avoid a language barrier we can stop using the word life and start using the concept of a conscience existance after this one.




Then you'd have to supply a mechanism for consciousness to continue separate from the central nervous system. So first you'd have to test whether there is a soul, and then you'd have to test if the soul survives the destruction of the body. Don't know how this would be tested, however.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: White Beard]
    #19069018 - 11/01/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In order to avoid a language barrier we can stop using the word life and start using the concept of a conscience existance after this one.




Then you'd have to supply a mechanism for consciousness to continue separate from the central nervous system.




I wasn't aware that we yet understood the connection between consciousness and the nervous system anyway, beyond "brain gets bumped, mind gets dim".

What is the mechanism?


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19069131 - 11/01/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think we have a complete picture of whats going on (it's super complicated), but there seems to be a lot of evidence of a strong connection between consciousness and the brain. One example we all know, you take a drug, your mind changes. Another, like you said: "brain gets bumped, mind gets dim". Also, we can do brain scans now, and there is obvious differences in the brains of someone who is mentally ill and someone with a healthy mind.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: White Beard]
    #19070255 - 11/01/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That is one of the main reasons why I remain agnostic on the issue. We do not have enough evidence to come to a stable conclusion. Until someone devises a test to prove that the brain is is inseparable from consciousness then I won't believe that nothing come after death, like wise until someone devises a test that proves consciousness goes on after death I won't believe that consciousness goes on after death.:shrug:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Cactilove]
    #19070367 - 11/01/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Until someone devises a test to prove that the brain is is inseparable from consciousness




Besides stroke, blunt force trauma, concussion, Alzheimer's and death? What else are you looking for?


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19070481 - 11/01/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's looking for something to tell us what if anything happens to consciousness (as am I) after brain death.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19070665 - 11/01/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is like trying to separate width from a box without changing it.

One thing is an object(brain) and the other is a property (consciousness). There is not really a dilemma at all except the use of words over time have confused some people.

It is as if I have a piece of red paper and then burn it up and ask where did the red go.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19070720 - 11/01/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Since this is all hypothetical anyway, let me give you a shitty metaphor. If you drop a radio and it gets damaged, thereby rendering it useless, does that mean the broadcast that was playing stops? Is the broadcast inseparable from the radio? Is the broadcast an inseperable property of the radio? Is consciousness and inseparable property of the brain? How do you know?:shrug:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19071005 - 11/01/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It is like trying to separate width from a box without changing it.

One thing is an object(brain) and the other is a property (consciousness). There is not really a dilemma at all except the use of words over time have confused some people.

It is as if I have a piece of red paper and then burn it up and ask where did the red go.




you really can't equate the two because you can explain scientifically where the read went.  Science doesn't try or is not capable enough to understand what is outside of physical life.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19071882 - 11/01/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If an object is destroyed, it's properties are also simultaneously destroyed. They don't linger on in another dimension.


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    #19072019 - 11/01/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They don't linger on in another dimension.

You know the drill.  It's possible the brain is a conduit for conscious expression rather than the cause.  No one knows.  I suspect it could go either way.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19072076 - 11/01/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thus proving you do not understand TNH. :congrats:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19072089 - 11/01/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I do understand it. I just don't think it applies to what we're talking about.


I never even saw NH mentioned in another thread here lately.

The NH does NOT require certainty


I think you started the OP something like this. "It won't be like anything at all".

That's a definitive statement of certainty in my book. :shrug:




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    #19072113 - 11/01/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If an object is destroyed, it's properties are also simultaneously destroyed. They don't linger on in another dimension.




When I am destroyed my properties are going to my brother.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: AWS]
    #19072121 - 11/01/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: AWS]
    #19072125 - 11/01/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mostly they go to your government.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19072217 - 11/01/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not if you have a trust.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Icelander]
    #19072255 - 11/01/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Like pre-nups and treaties are never broken.



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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19075969 - 11/02/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thus proving you do not understand TNH. :congrats:




All hypotheses attempting to explain the cause of consciousness are to this point null. This does not mean it ends with death nor does it mean it continues.  This does not mean consciousness is an emergent of the brain, nor that it is not.

If you are suggesting that the null hypothesis claims anything in this regard you are incorrect.


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19076012 - 11/02/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thus proving you do not understand TNH. :congrats:




I see you say this to people all the time here. What a shitty debate tactic. :thumbdown:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19076494 - 11/02/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

From you that is high praise. :mypleasure:


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Re: Members here still struggle with the Null Hypothesis [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19076685 - 11/02/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everything exists until you prove it doesn't. Better get busy.


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