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what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK)
    #19047126 - 10/28/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Title says it all but I will elaborate for the curious:

I've been familiar with liberty caps but after recently discovering a world of magic mushrooms and some cyans in my garden (thanks to you chaps :wink:) I've become interested in finding other hallucinogenic species.
However, there's so many which resemble poisonous mushrooms I'd rather be very cautious and only pick ones that are really distinctive and easy to identify.
So, what are the hardest psilocybin containing mushrooms to mistake for poisonous ones? (apart from those I have mentioned)


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: JingleJoe]
    #19047186 - 10/28/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JingleJoe said:
Title says it all but I will elaborate for the curious:

I've been familiar with liberty caps but after recently discovering a world of magic mushrooms and some cyans in my garden (thanks to you chaps :wink:) I've become interested in finding other hallucinogenic species.
However, there's so many which resemble poisonous mushrooms I'd rather be very cautious and only pick ones that are really distinctive and easy to identify.
So, what are the hardest psilocybin containing mushrooms to mistake for poisonous ones? (apart from those I have mentioned)



I would say the active Panaeolus species are pretty safe, and easily identifiable, namely P. cinctulus. Their only look-alikes would be Panaeolina, and maybe some Psathyrella, which are not toxic. Next would be Pluteus salicinus and probably Gymnopilus. The genus Pluteus does not contain any toxic mushrooms, and their closest look-alike would be Entoloma which have attached gills and an orange spore print. Gymnopilus species are very notorius, yet can resemble Pholiota, Galerina, Phylloporus, etc. I would stick to Libs, Cyans, and Pans until you really study more mushrooms in general and know exactly what features to look for. :thumbup:


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: JingleJoe]
    #19047195 - 10/28/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We don't have a great deal in the UK besides those two.

I suppose Pluteus salicinus fits your bill. It should be the only medium sized mushroom growing out of logs that bruises blue. But I haven't found it yet.

Then there is Panaeolus cinctulus which has jet black spores. At least there are no poisonous mushrooms with jet black spores, but there are various things you might confuse it for. I don't think they're common over here though,

I don't really think any UK psilocybin mushroom has toxic look-alikes if you're willing to do a little research and narrow what counts as a 'look-alike'.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: User_7]
    #19047221 - 10/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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We don't have a great deal in the UK besides those two.

I suppose Pluteus salicinus fits your bill. It should be the only medium sized mushroom growing out of logs that bruises blue. But I haven't found it yet.

Then there is Panaeolus cinctulus which has jet black spores. At least there are no poisonous mushrooms with jet black spores, but there are various things you might confuse it for. I don't think they're common over here though,

I don't really think any UK psilocybin mushroom has toxic look-alikes if you're willing to do a little research and narrow what counts as a 'look-alike'.



Look for P. salicinus on Salix wood. That might help your success rate.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19047474 - 10/28/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)


These are the most distinctive looking Psilocybe I know of.
http://mushroomobserver.org/83315?q=1am5k


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19047556 - 10/28/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looking for Pluteus salinicus you want a silvery cap with a rough darkened center of the top of the cap. Thinner style stem that bruises blue and they will be small to medium, sized in comparison to Pluteus cervinus and Others. Pluteus are easily recognized by growing from wood, having pinkish hues in the gills and dropping pink spore prints :wink: oh and the gills arent attached to the stem :wink: good luck! I found one all season.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: xfsketch]
    #19047564 - 10/28/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Heres the one I found in north America


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19047811 - 10/28/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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These are the most distinctive looking Psilocybe I know of.
http://mushroomobserver.org/83315?q=1am5k



Dude that's hillarious. When I first read the title of the post, I was going to say, 100%, either P. zapotecorum or P. cubensis as the most distinct Psilocybe, but then I read the post more carefully... He's looking for the most distinct psilocybin-containing mushroom found in the UK, with the least toxic look-alikes. This does lend for interesting Psilocybe discussion though... And my bets are on zaps and cubes for most distinct Psilocybe species.


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19047841 - 10/28/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whoops hehe:burn:


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: xfsketch]
    #19047900 - 10/28/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Whoops hehe:burn:



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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19048119 - 10/28/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting question. You could look for Psilocybe Strictipes but they're almost indistinguishable from Psilocybe semilanceata

Psilocybe fimetaria can also be found in the UK growing solitary to gregariously on horse or cow dung, in grassy areas or in rich soils, and often fruits in large rings, from September to November.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Duggstar]
    #19048174 - 10/28/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

LOL.  it's funny that P. strictipes came up in this thread ever...  LMAO.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19049753 - 10/28/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Entoloma which have attached gills and an orange spore print.




I wouldn't say the spore deposit is orange, pink is a better description, sometimes vinaceous or like red wine.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: inski]
    #19050444 - 10/29/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thanks chaps! you've given me a lot of reading to do :smile:
as for P. zapotecorum... These are not them, though they look very similar, right?





Maybe the trained eye can tell the difference but the above photo is the deadly poisonous Galernia Marginata. Looks too similar for me to want to risk it, I choose life over a good trip :tongue:.

I can differentiate the possibly poisonous varieties (G. marginata and "the sulfur tuft") in my garden from the cyans, having seen them both first hand and put a lot of work into identification (I'm talking books made of paper, man! Not just google:rolleyes:) and having received a lot of help from you chaps for which I am very greatful, thankyou :grin:

I'll be looking into Pluteus salinicus further, thanks again!

I think I picked some Psilocybe Strictipes along with my liberty caps because they look so simlar, but threw them out after I took a closer look and thought "waaaaait just a minute, that looks different". No chances here, 100% certainty or nothing.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: JingleJoe]
    #19050666 - 10/29/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks chaps! you've given me a lot of reading to do :smile:
as for P. zapotecorum... These are not them, though they look very similar, right?





Maybe the trained eye can tell the difference but the above photo is the deadly poisonous Galernia Marginata. Looks too similar for me to want to risk it, I choose life over a good trip :tongue:.

I can differentiate the possibly poisonous varieties (G. marginata and "the sulfur tuft") in my garden from the cyans, having seen them both first hand and put a lot of work into identification (I'm talking books made of paper, man! Not just google:rolleyes:) and having received a lot of help from you chaps for which I am very greatful, thankyou :grin:

I'll be looking into Pluteus salinicus further, thanks again!

I think I picked some Psilocybe Strictipes along with my liberty caps because they look so simlar, but threw them out after I took a closer look and thought "waaaaait just a minute, that looks different". No chances here, 100% certainty or nothing.




What books have you been reading, anything you would recommend?


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: inski]
    #19050869 - 10/29/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Entoloma which have attached gills and an orange spore print.




I wouldn't say the spore deposit is orange, pink is a better description, sometimes vinaceous or like red wine.



NO! Tangich would smack you right now. Pluteus is pink. You're supposed to just say "orange" for entoloma. Yes, it is a salmon-pinkish/orange, but that confuses people apparently. :shrug:


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19050877 - 10/29/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JingleJoe said:
thanks chaps! you've given me a lot of reading to do :smile:
as for P. zapotecorum... These are not them, though they look very similar, right?





Maybe the trained eye can tell the difference but the above photo is the deadly poisonous Galernia Marginata. Looks too similar for me to want to risk it, I choose life over a good trip :tongue:.

I can differentiate the possibly poisonous varieties (G. marginata and "the sulfur tuft") in my garden from the cyans, having seen them both first hand and put a lot of work into identification (I'm talking books made of paper, man! Not just google:rolleyes:) and having received a lot of help from you chaps for which I am very greatful, thankyou :grin:

I'll be looking into Pluteus salinicus further, thanks again!

I think I picked some Psilocybe Strictipes along with my liberty caps because they look so simlar, but threw them out after I took a closer look and thought "waaaaait just a minute, that looks different". No chances here, 100% certainty or nothing.




What books have you been reading, anything you would recommend?



Yes these are Galerina. Ring on the stipe, orangeish gills, and that darkening of the stem base that can be confused for blue bruising. :thumbup:


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19051092 - 10/29/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Entoloma which have attached gills and an orange spore print.




I wouldn't say the spore deposit is orange, pink is a better description, sometimes vinaceous or like red wine.



NO! Tangich would smack you right now. Pluteus is pink. You're supposed to just say "orange" for entoloma. Yes, it is a salmon-pinkish/orange, but that confuses people apparently. :shrug:



:rofl: I think you're confusing me with someone else! :wink: Spore color is one of the rare things I don't usually nitpick about! :lol:
Btw, I usually use the word 'salmon' for Entoloma, pink for Pluteus.


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: Tangich]
    #19051531 - 10/29/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Entoloma has a pinkish spore deposit...


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Re: what are the most distinctive psilocybin mushrooms? (in the UK) [Re: inski]
    #19051575 - 10/29/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just wanted a reminder in this thread.. :popcorn:

This year I've only found a couple dozen P. Sem and a fuck-ton of A. Muscaria (which I am only interested in photographing). It seems like a great year for fungus in general, I can't understand why my usual Liberty spots are so barren...

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