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My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response * 9
    #19046597 - 10/28/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey EM,

No need to apologize for anything! Sorry you haven't been in a great mood. Not to be flippant, but as I have said before I highly recommend ordering yourself some kratom. For me it is an absolute miracle drug/wonder plant for all mood problems. Its like a few teaspoons of kratom dispels any morning gloom and shadow and replaces it with gentle, warm sunshine. Its legal, and its safe (as legal as alcohol and much safer).

I always enjoy and appreciate your perspectives and advice. Stop doing drugs, get sober and stay clean is usually recognized as good advice, and I take it as such without intending to actually follow it in the immediate future.

I think the idea of not taking any drugs is appealing in exactly the same way that celibacy is appealing. I like the idea of not having sex or masturbating, to conserve vital chi energy and channel that male power into enlightenment rather than dissipating it through ejaculation.

And yet, in practice, I have never had any success in practicing celibacy or abstaining from ejaculation. Likewise, the idea of practicing total sobriety (no alcohol, tobacco, weed, sugar, caffeine or drugs) in order to master consciousness through the "pure" practices of yoga and meditation is very appealing to me.

But in practice, I have never had any success in curtailing my drug usage.

I would like to talk about drugs a bit with you, and I don't want to be construed as simply "pro-drug". I think the first thing to recognize is that there are a wide variety of drugs, with totally different psychoactive effects, physical consequences, addictiveness, attached stigma, legality, harms and benefits.


In other words to me saying "don't do drugs " is a bit like saying "don't eat food". There is a big difference between eating a frosted donut and a spinach salad. The former is very bad for you, the latter is very good.

I have actually spent my life experimenting and researching in order to sort drugs into  "worth doing" and "never even try" categories.

In my "never even try once/Never do" category I place tobacco and nicotine, methamphetamine and amphetamines, cocaine and stimulants stronger than coffee, APVP, MDPV, PCP, datura, cough syrup (DXM), gravol (dramamine), anything intravenous or intramuscular, true opiates (heroin, morphine, fentanyl etc), synthetic marijuana, true benzodiazepines (xanax), hard alcohol (alcohol other than beer or wine), inhalants other than nitrous oxide, deliriants of any kind (scopolamine, etc) and most research chemicals (fake MDMA like 5 apbp, methylone, 4 mec etc, the 2c and NBOME families).


So those are all drugs I never do (some I have tried but I will never do them again and advise others not to do them).

But on the other hand I have a list of drugs I feel are extremely useful, beneficial, therapeutic, enlightening, medicinal, valuable etc.

At the very top of that list is ayahuasca. I believe taking ayahuasca is one of the most important and worthwhile experiences any human being can have in life. Taking ayahuasca is a true religion. It is worth more than ten therapy sessions, ten church services and ten meditations all rolled into one. I believe taking ayahuasca with a shaman can cure a persons deepest psychic ailments, and open there eyes to the wonder and the true meaning of life in a way that nothing else (not even meditation, poetry, art or anything else) can ever really do.

Related closely to ayahuasca is DMT. I believe DMT is likewise something that should be on everyones "bucket list". To me going through life without experiencing DMT is a bit like going through life without traveling, without being in wilderness or without falling in love. In fact those analogies are really not very good for what I am trying to say. When you experience DMT you experience yourself as a multidimensional being. You realize that within your brain is the wetware for interface with hyperspace. You discover your passport to the cosmos. And you can meet aliens or completely non human entities. The psychological, emotional, cosmological, theological etc implications of that experience can not be exaggerated.

Then you have ketamine. Ketamine is not a psychedelic in the normal sense but rather a dissociative. However it IS a psychedelic, it is a completely atypical psychedelic, inducing psychedelic effects through totally different mechanisms. As a dissociative,  it dissociates you from yourself, or rather it seperates two distinct parts of you from one another. The best example of this is an out of body experience, where you hover outside your body and look down at your physical body lying in bed, while inhabiting your astral body or etheric body.

Ketamine was originally used as an anesthetic for surgery because it is completely safe and a supremely effective painkiller. It is still used as a battlefield anaesthetic. If you get your legs blown off in Afghanistan, you will receive a shot of ketamine.

However, they no longer use it in hospitals for regular surgeries despite the fact it is safe and effective. Why? Because it induces out of body experiences.

People who were being put under with ketamine for surgery would float out of their bodies and witness the surgery taking place from a disembodied third person perspective.

Naturally this was disturbing to people and for that reason ketamine is now thought of as an "animal tranquilizer" because no one cares if animals have out of body experiences.

But the fact that ketamine induces this kind of astral travel/out of body experience has profound implications for the meaning of life and the nature of reality. It answers the question of "is the mind separate from the body" and the question of "do we have a soul".

Ketamine dissociates the mind from the body and the soul from the flesh, and by doing so it proves that we are not purely physical. It allows the direct experience of the spiritual body existing independently from the flesh. It therefore guarantees the possibility of life after death, and refreshes ones perspective on life.

If you have ever played a video game where you can "scroll out" and the camera angle withdraws from a first person perspective (seeing through the eyes of the avatar or game character) to a third person perspective (seeing the character from behind, looking over his shoulder, no longer embodied in the character but seeing it from without) - this is a good metaphor or direct analogy for the experience of disassociation that ketamine provides.

The organic psychedelics such as mushrooms (psilocybin mushrooms), ibogaine root, peyote and salvia - all provide access to and communion with non-human plant intelligences that are immanent in nature. For the human brain to have contact with these non-human natural intelligences and to interact with them is a major component of shamanism and helps us to understand our connection with the natural web of life and also to learn the true wisdom of plants that supersedes and rectifies the poisonous hypnotism of cultural and social (human-centric) ideas. Shamans were the first to establish contact with these plant intelligences and to bring back something of their knowledge to their human tribes and cultures. The shaman is in part a diplomat to the other world and a translator, bringing messages back to humans from these other nature-spirits who amazingly, communicate with and teach us.

It is worth noting that psychedelic means "mind manifesting", and the ability to manifest your mind and thoughts as external images and objects is of immense therapeutic value. Many people say that one psychedelic trip is like a year in therapy, because the mind manifests its internal baggage and allows you to see and process what was otherwise locked away and unconscious.

Another name for psychedelics is "entheogens" meaning "generating God within". Ayahuasca deserves this title because it actually introduces a goddess (mother ayahuasca) in to you, and it is therefore a true religion. The ayahuasca ceremony fulfills all the promises religion fails to keep. Unlike the christian priest, the shaman is truly an intermediary between you and a higher power, and unlike the "holy spirit" mother ayahuasca actually enters into you and transforms you.

Next I admire the empathogens. These drugs generate empathy/love. The most important ones are MDMA and MDA, what some have called ecstasy or molly. It is important to seperate MDMA/MDA from ecstasy, which can be and usually is cut with other substances like amphetamines that are negative in nature. But MDMA/MDA are divine. They are an ideal, peerless corrective to the ills and poisons of modern life. They can allow you to love yourself, to love others, to dissolve the walls between Self and Other than have ruined the human condition since the first division of Us and Them. MDMA can heal broken relationships, and dried up wells of love can gush to overflowing. A group of friends can bond more in one MDMA session than a hundred regular nights of interaction. MDMA facilitates honesty, compassion, sympathy, communication, openness, love, unconditional support and kindness, generosity and the felt experience that "we are all one".

Etizolam is a benzodiazipine analogue that preserves the valuable qualities of benzos while removing the negatives. Etizolam is powerfully effective at relieving anxiety, inducing sleep, stopping panic attacks, eliminating stress and making a hard day fly by with ease, but it has been changed in a way that makes it much less addictive than conventional benzos like xanax. The conventional benzos are too addictive, and the withdrawals too dangerous , to be worth using, but etizolam is a quantum leap forward in anxiolytic drugs, just as effective for insomnia and anxiety as xanax but much less dangerous and addictive.

Kratom is an opiate that is totally different from other opiates. All other opiates derive in one way or another from the opium poppy (papaver somniferum) and all are intensely addictive producing severe withdrawal and cravings. However, kratom does not derive from the opium poppy. It is the leaf of a south east asian tree that is part of the coffee family. It produces feelings of euphoria, pain relief, anxiety relief, pleasure, anti-depressant effects, energy and relaxation and happiness, but it is not even remotely as addictive as opium derived drugs and produces virtually no withdrawal. It acts on a different set of opiate receptors (opium acts on the beta opiod receptors, kratom on the Mu opiod receptors). In otherwords kratom is to opium what etizolam is to xanax- a safer, less addictive alternative that offers many of the same (wonderful) benefits with virtually none of the risks or consequences (although some restraint needs to be used with both etizolam and kratom. Etizolam should be done no more than 3 times a week, kratom no more than 5).

Kratom and etizolam are 100% legal. So is phenibut. Phenibut was invented by russians as an anxiety relief drug to be given to cosmonauts, in order to help them relieve stress without impeding their cognition in any way. Therefore, phenibut has two functions- it is an anxiolytic (reduces anxiety) and a nootropic (enhances cognition). Phenibut facilitates communication between the two hemispheres of the brain and improves thought clarity. It is also neuroprotective (protects the brain from damage) and cardioprotective (protects the heart from damage). It also enhances physical strength. However, it can only be used once a week or else addiction and withdrawal can develop.

Nootropic drugs enhance cognition and help one think better, faster and clearer. They enhance memory, creativity, productivity, problem solving and logic. Usually a person will take a nootropic "stack" which includes a piracetam variant and a choline variant. Examples of piracetam variants include aniracetam, oxiracetam, phenylpiracetam and noopept. Excamples of cholines include citicoline and p2p choline.

The piractam variants are peptides, and they improve cognition while reducing brain damage from oxidation, drugs, alcohol, aging or trauma. The cholines help the piracetam peptides to work better and be absorbed properly (or something). Combining the two results in clearer, more color saturated vision and sharper thinking. I take noopept and citicoline.

Natural nootropics include ginseng and ginko biloba.

Marijuana is also a nootropic (it facilitates the growth of new brain cells), it also prevents and treats cancer, prevents and treats MS, cures loneliness , relieves pain and nausea, and has one of the best benefit to risk ratios of any drug  , legal or illegal. Marijuana has a huge number of benefits and is virtually harmless. It can have a huge positive effect on quality of life for many people and poses virtually no health risks. Some religions consider it sacred, the Rastafarians call it the "staff of life", Hindus consecrate it to Shiva, and it has been called "the healing of the nation" and the universal medicine.

Sorry this email is so long. A few more points

1. it is completely natural for humans to seek out and use psychoactive drugs. Birds, insects and animals also do this, so that some biologists have declared drug taking to be a biological imperative, just like eating, drinking and copulating, seeking out and using drugs is part of what makes us living beings, it is fundamental to our nature.

2. Shamanism is the original, primordial religion. A shaman is one who practices the techniques of ecstasy. Ecstasy is an altered state of consciousness. Therefore the shaman is one who knows and practices the techniques for achieving altered states of consciousness. Drugs have always been the most prized and valued means of doing this. Drug use makes it possible to access other realms of existence that are otherwise ineffable to human beings, and makes possible contact with non-human intelligences who are otherwise obscure to us, but who can teach us and impart wisdom and knowledge.

3. Drug taking is sovereign medicine. Doctors, pharmaceutical companies and mainstream medicine can not be trusted. They peddle drugs that are ineffective, unnecessary, dangerous and loaded with noxious side effects. It is essential to be your own doctor, to empower yourself to self-medicate in order to relieve your depression, pain, anxiety, loneliness, lethargy etc, in a way that is beneficial and achieves the desired ends without incurring unacceptable side effects. Drug use is neither inherently good nor bad, it is a skill and a knowledge set, and the results obtained depend on the quality of ones research, preparation and execution.

Drugs can ruin lives or save them. They can inflict addictions or treat them. They can lead to an early death or they can help on prepare for an inevitable death with grace, dignity and wisdom.

Drugs can cause insanity or restore sanity.

A note on insanity- For the most part, drugs do not cause madness. Some powerful drugs like PCP and LSD can induce madness like symptoms for the duration of the high, and some say in some rare cases LSD can cause lasting psychosis.

The notion that marijuana causes schizophrenia or psychosis is a myth.

The primary culprit in drug induced psychosis is not the drugs themselves but sleep deprivation. This is why amphetamine and methamphetamine psychosis is very common- because those drugs prevent sleep for days on end. Missing a night of sleep is enormously hard on the body and brain. After a few days without sleep psychosis WILL set in, inevitably, and prolonged sleep deprivation can cause serious psychological harm.

In my own case of drug induced psychosis, the factor was not so much the drugs I was doing but my decision not to sleep for a prolonged time. At the time I was not aware of how disastrous the effects of sleep deprivation are, and I had resolved not to miss the meditation class on the first morning of the new year, so instead of sleeping like all my friends did, I forced myself to go to Dharma center on zero sleep, and my mind cracked.

I am certain that had I simply gone to sleep when my friends did, I would not have spiraled into psychosis. That said my experience of psychosis was extremely spiritual, exciting, euphoric, illuminating and amazing, as well as being frightening and having many negative consequences.

Fortunately I now have etizolam, and if I ever find myself at risk of missing a night of sleep I can knock myself out with etizolam and avoid any sleep deprivation problems.

I do not consider myself a true shaman (as I have not been initiated into a lineage or taught by a master) but rather as a neo-shaman.

At some point the fist shamans had to "figure it out as they went" when they first discovered plants like mushrooms, ayahuasca and peyote.

Today we are part of a cutting edge of human experience. Never before in history has the human mind come into contact with the spirit, intelligence and power of ketamine or MDMA. These drugs have lessons that humanity must learn and desperately needs. Those of us who use these drugs are participating in the cutting edge of neo-shamanism, and these drugs are changing our evolutionary course, and we go into the other space of these drugs and bring back new knowledge, understanding and lessons. The challenge is then to integrate those insights into your life in a meaningful way, and share them with society. Writing these experiences down and sharing them and recording podcasts while under the influence are two ways to do this.

And also they are just insane amounts of fun, and can allow bliss, euphoria and ecstasy that is rarely or ever matched without these drugs.

Life is short, and often full of shit and suffering. We cant avoid the shit and suffering, so why shouldnt we embrace the bliss? If God exists, MDMA, kratom, DMT and marijuana are among his most extravagant gifts to human kind, and if god does not exist then these drugs are the best possible substitute for a false religion and a non-existent deity.

Alcohol and tobacco are addictive, cancer causing, toxic, life-destroying poisons with no redeeming value, but they are legal. MDMA teaches universal love and brotherhood, DMT gives us access to superhuman intelligences, ibogaine root cures addictions and kratom works better for depression than any SSRI or Prozac, with none of the side effects, yet these helpful and largely harmless drugs are illegal and persecuted by the evil government, while the most noxious and toxic drugs are peddles on every street corner.

You shall know the tree by its fruits. The government persecutes marijuana, mushrooms and ayahuasca not because they are bad, but because they are so good they challenge the entire edifice of corruption, inhumanity and evil upon which modern society is built.

Marijuana is a flower. The united states has waged a ruthless, multitrillion dollar WAR against this flower that has resulted in thousands of deaths and thousands of innocent people being locked in cages. And yet the use of this flower has never decreased. Its potency, availability and social acceptance has only grown.

All the military-police tanks, helicopters and guns, bribery, torture, imprisonment and extortion have not been sufficient to thwart the simple truth of a medicinal flower.

The legalization of marijuana is at hand, and represents an evolutionary threshold for humanity as significant as the abolishment of slavery and granting women the right to vote.

Our society is deeply, profoundly sick, and ayahuasca is the medicine that can save us and heal our relationship to mother Earth.

The jungle is being destroyed, and ayahuasca shamans are her emissary, spreading out into our diseased world to change our hearts and minds one ceremony at a time- the Jaguar, the serpent and the condor are alive in the vine, and we truly are spiritual beings having a human experience.

And if getting high and feeling good is all it is, then that alone is enough, and more than enough.

However, I do not deny the "you have a drug problem " level of interpretation either !

Love you,

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 3
    #19046639 - 10/28/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting. :strokebeard:

You make a lot of (well, mostly only) great points, but... if he googles your email to him, he'll find this. Justsayin'


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Synthe]
    #19046663 - 10/28/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't normally/ever google emails I get :shrug2:


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: dontknow] * 2
    #19046685 - 10/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Id say if hes someone who doesn't use drugs or support them this letter wont matter. Sure you make good points to people who are aware of the bs stigma on drugs but to him hes just going to think you're some raving hippy. You could try using more layman's terms instead i guess. Maybe avoid the metaphysical stuff and just stick with how it has positively impacted your life.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 8
    #19046695 - 10/28/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd be curious to hear the letter from him that you are responding to


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19046706 - 10/28/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience if the person hasn't done drugs, they will just think you're rationalizing your use of the devil's fruit. Very unlikely to sway somebody, or at least I haven't


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: dontknow] * 1
    #19046733 - 10/28/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dontknow said:
In my experience if the person hasn't done drugs, they will just think you're rationalizing your use of the devil's fruit. Very unlikely to sway somebody, or at least I haven't




Yeah. This bit

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Moonshoe said:Our society is deeply, profoundly sick, and ayahuasca is the medicine that can save us and heal our relationship to mother Earth.

The jungle is being destroyed, and ayahuasca shamans are her emissary, spreading out into our diseased world to change our hearts and minds one ceremony at a time- the Jaguar, the serpent and the condor are alive in the vine, and we truly are spiritual beings having a human experience.




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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Synthe]
    #19046768 - 10/28/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

heroin, weed, whats the difference?


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Synthe]
    #19046780 - 10/28/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 11
    #19046806 - 10/28/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You just made yourself sound SOO weird dude, just be normal about it and tell him your opinion, he's going to think your a weirdass.

You're the typical obsessed with drugs socially awkward weird guy that goes on an on about drugs in a positive light saying things they've learned about drugs through experience/google.
How old are you..? Be a man about it, be a normal member of society about it, this letter is just weird man.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 15
    #19046845 - 10/28/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That email is only going to make you look further out of touch with reality than he already thinks you are.  On top of that, once you've finally realized that all of your hippie spirituality bullshit is just in your impaired imagination, he'll hold the email over your head forever.

Either way, mistakes are meant to be made. GLWT


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #19046886 - 10/28/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

just hypomania IMO


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    #19046892 - 10/28/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey bruh, he is probably one of the most intelligent successful user I have crossed paths with

Great response moonshoe :cool:

Yeah it might not change his opinion but I'd deff say that's an intelligent response


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: koinkedink] * 4
    #19046922 - 10/28/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Family members really just want to know that you're not hurting yourself and that you will stay safe moreso than what you say the drugs do for you


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19046962 - 10/28/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just wanna know how long the original letter was... :lol:

Quantity is not quality, OP.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 14
    #19046972 - 10/28/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

someone told u to stop doing drugs and u wrote back the longest letter any1 ever wrote in their whole life, theyre just gonna think ur addicted


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    #19046989 - 10/28/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Great response moonshoe :cool:

Yeah it might not change his opinion but I'd deff say that's an intelligent response




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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #19046998 - 10/28/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

God it's so long I can't read it can anyone sum it up for me please


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 6
    #19047009 - 10/28/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was expecting something short and sweet like fuck off. You know, regular brother shit. This, this is fucking ridiculous.


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    #19047013 - 10/28/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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God it's so long I can't read it can anyone sum it up for me please



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