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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19048938 - 10/28/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to write novels on the shroomery.
People just don't have that kind of attention span anymore.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19048939 - 10/28/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Thanks 
Trolling mundane ? Very .
Innocent ? Not in my opinion.
I think most shroomery trolling is innocent. People here are pretty nice and having fun, or don't care enough about you to actually want to hurt you
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19048947 - 10/28/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every post that is made in hopes of getting a reply is a troll post.
Your troll replies have been very tongue in cheek. You are smart. You would have got the joke if somebody else wrote the OP. Instead, you took the bait.
Smile.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Shroomism]
#19049104 - 10/28/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I used to write novels on the shroomery.
People just don't have that kind of attention span anymore.
I have noticed that and regret it . I think the phrase TL;DR is a symptom of pervasive cultural brain damage .
Most things worth knowing require more than a momentary glimpse to comprehend .
Those who refuse to read anything longer than a few lines have no idea what they are missing or how severely they are truncating their mental universe.
Of course there is too much material to read everything on the net , so it is understandable that people need to be frugal with their time and attention.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049151 - 10/28/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Back when we joined this website, people who populated forums were often computer nerds. Times change.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Rose]
#19049258 - 10/28/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great wheel keep on turning ... Proud Mary keep on burning
(Weed reference ?)
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#19049334 - 10/28/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty sure the song's about a riverboat.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049368 - 10/28/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To you guys talking about people who don't read long posts due to having fallen victim to "cultural brain damage" let me say this:
This is where i stopped reading:
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Moonshoe said:
In other words to me saying "don't do drugs " is a bit like saying "don't eat food".
That is a completely asinine thing to say. To compare (even just a little bit) 'don't do drugs' to 'don't eat food' immediately tells me you are too far gone into your delusions about the benefits of drugs.
Yes, I think everyone of us on this website would say that some drugs can indeed have (massive) benefits for a person (or the opposite)...but most people are able to intertwine the benefits they receive from these drugs within their daily sober life.
If those benefits cannot come without having to constantly partake (such as having to constantly eat to stay alive) then well....those 'benefits' must not be as beneficial as you think.
"cultural brain damage"
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
#19049408 - 10/28/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheMule73 said: To you guys talking about people who don't read long posts due to having fallen victim to "cultural brain damage" let me say this:
This is where i stopped reading:
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Moonshoe said:
In other words to me saying "don't do drugs " is a bit like saying "don't eat food".
That is a completely asinine thing to say. To compare (even just a little bit) 'don't do drugs' to 'don't eat food' immediately tells me you are too far gone into your delusions about the benefits of drugs.
Yes, I think everyone of us on this website would say that some drugs can indeed have (massive) benefits for a person (or the opposite)...but most people are able to intertwine the benefits they receive from these drugs within their daily sober life.
If those benefits cannot come without having to constantly partake (such as having to constantly eat to stay alive) then well....those 'benefits' must not be as beneficial as you think.
"cultural brain damage" 
The comparison of food to drugs had a simple and fairly obvious point: some food is bad , some food is good , just like some drugs are bad and some drugs are good .
I never said or suggested that one should use drugs every day in the same way that one eats food everyday . I am simply saying that saying "drugs are bad " because drugs like cocaine and meth are bad is like saying food is bad because McDonald's and KFC are bad for you.
It all depends on what food you eat and what drugs you take .
Makes sense , no?
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049463 - 10/28/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I am simply saying that saying "drugs are bad " because drugs like cocaine and meth are bad is like saying food is bad because McDonald's and KFC are bad for you.
It all depends on what food you eat and what drugs you take .
Makes sense , no?
Hmm ok, but based on your brother's responses, if he is accurate and you have been chronically smoking, then from his eyes he will take that portion that I quoted in the same I way i did--that you can't go for a sustained period of times without drugs.
Maybe you should have made your point more clear like you just did in your last post 
Edit: He seems to be concerned with your frequent use: "So yeah, the degree/frequency to which you seem compelled to do them does seem indicative of a problem"
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
#19049536 - 10/28/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheMule73 said:
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Moonshoe said: I am simply saying that saying "drugs are bad " because drugs like cocaine and meth are bad is like saying food is bad because McDonald's and KFC are bad for you.
It all depends on what food you eat and what drugs you take .
Makes sense , no?
Hmm ok, but based on your brother's responses, if he is accurate and you have been chronically smoking, then from his eyes he will take that portion that I quoted in the same I way i did--that you can't go for a sustained period of times without drugs.
Maybe you should have made your point more clear like you just did in your last post 
Edit: He seems to be concerned with your frequent use: "So yeah, the degree/frequency to which you seem compelled to do them does seem indicative of a problem"
You said yourself that this was where you stopped reading. If you had continued reading for a further paragraph you would have seen that I clarified my point in exactly the same way I just did for you.
If you had continued reading my meaning would have been perfectly clear.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049557 - 10/28/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stop writing letters to your family and start writing books.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Adden]
#19049574 - 10/28/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dystopia said: Stop writing letters to your family and start writing books.
I do write books, but I am also trying to increase communication with my family. My family is very dispersed and distant from one another and I regret that and am making a real effort to initiate and sustain communication, especially with my brother who is most equipped to discuss things on my level and has the most in common with me.
But I should focus more on finishing the books I am writing.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049611 - 10/28/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, i just continued and read the following and then stopped again
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In other words to me saying "don't do drugs " is a bit like saying "don't eat food". There is a big difference between eating a frosted donut and a spinach salad. The former is very bad for you, the latter is very good.
I have actually spent my life experimenting and researching in order to sort drugs into "worth doing" and "never even try" categories.
In my "never even try once/Never do" category I place tobacco and nicotine, methamphetamine and amphetamines, cocaine and stimulants stronger than coffee, APVP, MDPV, PCP, datura, cough syrup (DXM), gravol (dramamine), anything intravenous or intramuscular, true opiates (heroin, morphine, fentanyl etc), synthetic marijuana, true benzodiazepines (xanax), hard alcohol (alcohol other than beer or wine), inhalants other than nitrous oxide, deliriants of any kind (scopolamine, etc) and most research chemicals (fake MDMA like 5 apbp, methylone, 4 mec etc, the 2c and NBOME families).
So those are all drugs I never do (some I have tried but I will never do them again and advise others not to do them).
But on the other hand I have a list of drugs I feel are extremely useful, beneficial, therapeutic, enlightening, medicinal, valuable etc.
At the very top of that list is ayahuasca. I believe taking ayahuasca is one of the most important and worthwhile experiences any human being can have in life. Taking ayahuasca is a true religion. It is worth more than ten therapy sessions, ten church services and ten meditations all rolled into one. I believe taking ayahuasca with a shaman can cure a persons deepest psychic ailments, and open there eyes to the wonder and the true meaning of life in a way that nothing else (not even meditation, poetry, art or anything else) can ever really do.
Related closely to ayahuasca is DMT. I believe DMT is likewise something that should be on everyones "bucket list".
Your point still wasn't clear.
And now let me rip apart a few more things I just read.
"I believe taking ayahuasca with a shaman can cure a persons deepest psychic ailments, and open there eyes to the wonder and the true meaning of life in a way that nothing else (not even meditation, poetry, art or anything else) can ever really do."
Drugs don't tell you the meaning of life. Plain and simple. Drugs allow you to look at a question (such as 'what is the meaning of life?') from different perspectives one would most likely never have looked through...but they don't give answers. You should come to terms with that.
"I believe DMT is likewise something that should be on everyones "bucket list" "
In my head I can already think of a plethora of people who I know who shouldn't take psychedelics. They are not for everyone and certainly should not be on everyone's bucket list.
...Should I continue reading?
Look I have no reason to doubt your societal success in life and so your drug usage may be quite under control. I have no idea, I don't know you. What I do know is that a loved one of yours is concerned at your constant usage (which may be an unfounded concern), but still....from your first few paragraphs you seem to have a warped sense of how beneficial drugs are.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
#19049686 - 10/28/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheMule73 said: Okay, i just continued and read the following and then stopped again
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In other words to me saying "don't do drugs " is a bit like saying "don't eat food". There is a big difference between eating a frosted donut and a spinach salad. The former is very bad for you, the latter is very good.
I have actually spent my life experimenting and researching in order to sort drugs into "worth doing" and "never even try" categories.
In my "never even try once/Never do" category I place tobacco and nicotine, methamphetamine and amphetamines, cocaine and stimulants stronger than coffee, APVP, MDPV, PCP, datura, cough syrup (DXM), gravol (dramamine), anything intravenous or intramuscular, true opiates (heroin, morphine, fentanyl etc), synthetic marijuana, true benzodiazepines (xanax), hard alcohol (alcohol other than beer or wine), inhalants other than nitrous oxide, deliriants of any kind (scopolamine, etc) and most research chemicals (fake MDMA like 5 apbp, methylone, 4 mec etc, the 2c and NBOME families).
So those are all drugs I never do (some I have tried but I will never do them again and advise others not to do them).
But on the other hand I have a list of drugs I feel are extremely useful, beneficial, therapeutic, enlightening, medicinal, valuable etc.
At the very top of that list is ayahuasca. I believe taking ayahuasca is one of the most important and worthwhile experiences any human being can have in life. Taking ayahuasca is a true religion. It is worth more than ten therapy sessions, ten church services and ten meditations all rolled into one. I believe taking ayahuasca with a shaman can cure a persons deepest psychic ailments, and open there eyes to the wonder and the true meaning of life in a way that nothing else (not even meditation, poetry, art or anything else) can ever really do.
Related closely to ayahuasca is DMT. I believe DMT is likewise something that should be on everyones "bucket list".
Your point still wasn't clear.
And now let me rip apart a few more things I just read.
"I believe taking ayahuasca with a shaman can cure a persons deepest psychic ailments, and open there eyes to the wonder and the true meaning of life in a way that nothing else (not even meditation, poetry, art or anything else) can ever really do."
Drugs don't tell you the meaning of life. Plain and simple. Drugs allow you to look at a question (such as 'what is the meaning of life?') from different perspectives one would most likely never have looked through...but they don't give answers. You should come to terms with that.
"I believe DMT is likewise something that should be on everyones "bucket list" "
In my head I can already think of a plethora of people who I know who shouldn't take psychedelics. They are not for everyone and certainly should not be on everyone's bucket list.
...Should I continue reading?
Look I have no reason to doubt your societal success in life and so your drug usage may be quite under control. I have no idea, I don't know you. What I do know is that a loved one of yours is concerned at your constant usage (which may be an unfounded concern), but still....from your first few paragraphs you seem to have a warped sense of how beneficial drugs are.
I found the food - drug analogy clear and obvious but obviously not everyone would get it.
I definitely emphasized the benefits I personally have experienced while also noting the possible risks and downsides at several points. I do believe that ayahuasca can and does help many people gain a deeper, new or better understanding of the meaning of life, but it is true there is no "final" answer to that question, it is always evolving.
Its true that some people should leave psychedelics alone, but its also true that DMT is one of the most remarkable experiences a person can have and that is generally what people mean when they say it is or should be on their "bucket lists".
Feel free to criticize or split hairs on any other points but I think my brother and most readers understood what I was getting at, but I dont pretend to have been perfectly clear on every point nor have I guarded against any possible interpretation that could be made to criticize what I said (it is impossible to, and unnecessary).
I do not advise every person to go out and take a bunch of powerful drugs expecting similar benefits to those I have experienced, and I understand that my letter could be construed that way. Each person will have to consider it and decide how much of it is useful in their own lives and how much they are better off leaving alone.
That was another idea of my letter- not trying to convince my brother to take these drugs, so much as to share what I have learned from them in case he never does try them- he can at least intellectually grasp some of what they can teach even if he never tries them.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19049796 - 10/28/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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your post sounded a lot like some rambling mumbo jumbo rubbish at many parts - like this: "The organic psychedelics such as mushrooms (psilocybin mushrooms), ibogaine root, peyote and salvia - all provide access to and communion with non-human plant intelligences that are immanent in nature."
"The jungle is being destroyed, and ayahuasca shamans are her emissary, spreading out into our diseased world to change our hearts and minds one ceremony at a time- the Jaguar, the serpent and the condor are alive in the vine,"
in fact most of this post is rubbish. etizolam is not really a great alternative... it IS addictive. also you left out that methylone and other mdma analogues were also empathogens... more importantly, why the hate on phenelethylamines?
"The primary culprit in drug induced psychosis is not the drugs themselves but sleep deprivation. This is why amphetamine and methamphetamine psychosis is very common- because those drugs prevent sleep for days on end. Missing a night of sleep is enormously hard on the body and brain. After a few days without sleep psychosis WILL set in, inevitably, and prolonged sleep deprivation can cause serious psychological harm."
not really true. psychosis deals with alteration in neurotransmitter levels, in stimulants, it is the hightened level of Dopamine that is thought to induce the psychosis.
--you don't have much of a clue what you are talking about me tinks
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#19049839 - 10/29/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ketamine dissociates the mind from the body and the soul from the flesh, and by doing so it proves that we are not purely physical. It allows the direct experience of the spiritual body existing independently from the flesh. It therefore guarantees the possibility of life after death, and refreshes ones perspective on life.
That possibility of life after death is always there precisely because we are living now and will die, not because of some OBE brought up by ketamine. Call this splitting hairs all you want, but my point is that when someone is so far gone into their own ideas and views they end up not realizing their unconscious associations being connected to that which drives their delusions. In this case you are associating an experience on a drug with an idea. This idea (life after death) should be associated with the experience of life itself, not ketamine.
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In my own case of drug induced psychosis, the factor was not so much the drugs I was doing but my decision not to sleep for a prolonged time. At the time I was not aware of how disastrous the effects of sleep deprivation are, and I had resolved not to miss the meditation class on the first morning of the new year, so instead of sleeping like all my friends did, I forced myself to go to Dharma center on zero sleep, and my mind cracked.
The decision to not sleep was probably brought on by the poor mindset you were in from all the drugs. That should be quite clear to you. The fact that you are diminishing the role of the drugs within your decision-making process is a red flag.
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Alcohol and tobacco are addictive, cancer causing, toxic, life-destroying poisons with no redeeming value, but they are legal.
They have no redeeming value for you.
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The legalization of marijuana is at hand, and represents an evolutionary threshold for humanity as significant as the abolishment of slavery and granting women the right to vote.
You should be able to see the ridiculousness of that comparison for yourself. Its a big deal yea, but people choose to partake in weed and then endure punishments that shouldn't exist. People didn't choose to be black, yet were unjustly punished for it. Big difference.
These may be subtleties I am pointing out, I know, but the subtleties within one's actions, body movements, and statements, are what gives the most insight into a person's state of mind. You think you have more knowledge then you do. Sorry but it is obvious. I realize that will be hard for you to understand. Trust me, i go through it ever few months after I come down from a manic episode. You need to let go of your views for a minute and precisely go through each line of what you wrote. It is full of minor flaws, generalizations, and outlandish statements that point towards your lack of understanding of how greatly you believe in what you are saying.
And no, you aren't a "neo-shaman."
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
#19049927 - 10/29/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, he's crazy as fuck... He's obviously not a normal person, he's used to people bashing on him, this thread isn't the first time people have picked on him.
I understand his thoughts, even though they are a bit more out there than my own, but part of tripping is being able to use those experiences to better yourself in the real world, and being normal about those experiences, letting you be a better person, he's just coming off as a weird ass about it and making drugs and the people who do then look bad.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Chowder963] 4
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Who the the fuck gave chowder all those 1's and made him think his opinion was worth something
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#19051331 - 10/29/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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