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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: koinkedink]
    #19047325 - 10/28/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

his brother told him to quit using "drugs".. such generalizations are not indicative of a knowledgeable perspective

OP's brother needs LSD intervention and fast


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Hobozen]
    #19047327 - 10/28/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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racist.  black people might be more laid back and playful but that does not imply lack of thoughtfulness.




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I hope you're joking...


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Hobozen]
    #19047331 - 10/28/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19047345 - 10/28/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be curious to hear the letter from him that you are responding to





Fair enough. But why this sudden surge in marijuana literature?  I don't actually enjoy pot and so won't pick it up again.
I know from my own experience that quitting weed was crucial to my emotional and intellectual development. You have to consider that if you've been smoking since early adolescence you've essentially been emotionally modulated since childhood.  Getting clear of that cloud is essential to your progress as a thinking/feeling entity.

I'm not fucking around. Quit drugs if you have the balls to.  Go a full year without them, and then decide how necessary they are. I include ketamine, dmt, ayahuasca, whatever in this challenge.  Stop fucking around. Try reality on. 

The irony here being that I'm moderately drunk and therefore a total hypocrite.
However. I maintain that there is a fundamental diff between the social vices and these alleged psychedelics.  Booze is certainly bad for you, but in predictable ways.  You never know when you're going to lose your shit if you're fucking around with all these other drugs. But u already know that.

In any case u don't have to justify getting high with all these papers etc. get high if you want to.  It's your right. I certainly don't have any moral objections. But it's foolish to think there's no risk. 

Anyway that's my  2 cents

And :


hey maybe you're right.  the only thing i know for sure is that the persistent emotional modulation caused by chronic weed smoking can be detrimental to mental health.  i imagine all these other drugs you use 'regularly' could be too. I suspect you know that you're playing with fire and that is part of the allure.  but then again what's worthwhile in life that isn't risky?  it's hard not to suspect in all of this the rationalizations of a highly intelligent drug problem, however.

(getting high doesn't make you a shaman, by the way.  i am pretty sure aboriginal tribes the world over object to the fast and loose use of that term by white middle class drug aficionados.((I know you think you are getting fucked up with a purpose but come on... you're doing rave drugs at a birthday party.  you're just getting high.  it is what it is.)))

I think the main problem with using drugs the way you do is that you have no baseline of normative reality from which to perceive and judge information that is not clouded by recent or present drug use.  everything is filtered through drug lenses. you might counter by saying that drug lenses in fact focus reality and take you out of the bourgeois super ego that keeps us all enslaved to a 'normative' reality that itself is based on preconceptions, prejudices, power structures, etc...  but actually the non-drug-addled brain of a critical and imaginative thinker is more than enough to see through bullshit, and to appreciate the incredible miraculous weirdness of life on earth.  In fact I would posit that its better suited to do that, and also to see through the bullshit of the pseudo-counter culture which is itself only seeking the same novelty and kicks that the wider consumer culture seeks (albeit it in more rarefied forms) because of the clarity and repeatability of the baseline conscious condition.  It may be more boring not to get high all the time, but that is a whole other can of worms...

i think often that ceremonial drug use might be psychically useful.  but maybe only once a year or once a season.  anything else is excessive.  once a moon at most...

well, whatever. people do what they do.

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Hobozen]
    #19047354 - 10/28/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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his brother told him to quit using "drugs".. such generalizations are not indicative of a knowledgeable perspective

OP's brother needs LSD intervention and fast



So people with a "knowledgeable perspective" are only drug users?


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19047376 - 10/28/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're one I those people who think they're smart but they're not, you should quit while you're ahead, you making yourself seem weird as fuck.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: koinkedink]
    #19047379 - 10/28/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
    #19047389 - 10/28/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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racist.  black people might be more laid back and playful but that does not imply lack of thoughtfulness.




:lolwut:

I hope you're joking...




serious.. in this thread?? :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 4
    #19047398 - 10/28/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously, dude...You need to check into rehab.  Once you get yourself sober, you'll realize how ridiculous you sound.

Your brother, on the other hand, sounds like he knows what he's talking about..


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19047421 - 10/28/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A few points to responders :

I am not trying to come across as normal , convince my brother to do drugs or make him not worry about me .

I am just sharing my thoughts , ideas and experiences with someone I consider an intellectual peer .

I am A very eccentric person in many ways and I embrace that , I try neither to hide it or change it .


I am trying to present a view of drugs that most people have not heard before , a suppressed and marginalized narrative that has been covered up by the war on drugs propaganda and rhetoric .

I am not concerned with the length of the email As my brother is a big reader and a deep thinker who does not suffer from TL:DR attention deficit syndrome . Those who do filter themselves out from conversations they are not qualified for anyways , as a result of short attention span and unwillingness to engage with the material.


His response made it clear he is only really concerned with my marijuana use , which is ironic because he consider a alcohol ok, which is much more harmful .

His responses:

"Well I'm not denying the therapeutic or mind-manifesting qualities of any of these drugs either. Some I have experience with, some not. I know some have mystical properties and some (including mushrooms) have the capacity to send you off the deep end under the wrong circumstances.

My main point of contention is that i don't think any of them should be consumed habitually or really with any regularity at all. 

So yeah, the degree/frequency to which you seem compelled to do them does seem indicative of a problem.  You and Shadow  will have to be the ultimate judges of that tho. "

And

"Alright.  Sounds good. Maybe try kicking the weed tho.  I do really recommend it. I was formerly on the same weed regimen and u don't really notice the effect it's having on you until you've stopped for like 6 months/year. Esp if you've been at it since junior high. Weed is actually the only one of those drugs I wholeheartedly endorse getting clear of. After this long smoking, you are not deriving any benefit. Only unnoticed negatives which you can't even ascertain since you've been doing it since before the very threshold of adulthood. Ponder that. This one substance has been acting on your brain constantly since childhood.  Get off it for awhile. Like a year.  All the other shit, if you are using it responsibly, whatever.  Beer is fine I think. For now. Weed should be your kicking priority.

I can't recommend that highly enough. "


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 5
    #19047438 - 10/28/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, dude...you need inpatient rehab and possibly involuntary commitment into a mental hospital.  Once you get better, you'll thank me.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19047441 - 10/28/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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His response made it clear he is only really concerned with my marijuana use , which is ironic because he consider a alcohol ok, which is much more harmful .

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In my case, weed has more negative side effects then alcohol.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
    #19047470 - 10/28/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

weed lingers in your system for quite a while and makes you lazy and cloud your goals.

alcohol is more harmful to your physical health but marijuana is more harmful towards integrating your full potential into society.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: TheMule73]
    #19047472 - 10/28/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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His response made it clear he is only really concerned with my marijuana use , which is ironic because he consider a alcohol ok, which is much more harmful .

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In my case, weed has more negative side effects then alcohol.




That may be , but the statistical data makes it very clear that marijuana is much less harmful on average .


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19047486 - 10/28/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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weed lingers in your system for quite a while and makes you lazy and cloud your goals.




Indica yeah

not with the Sativa's IME.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19047487 - 10/28/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Moonshoe, I see others have said this in other ways, and I believe you probably do make good points, but I think you overshot the appropriate breadth of your response. What is his response? Is it dude, you are crazy?

I would be like, sorry, I realize my response came off as overly long-winded and it probably sounded pretentious. Then pick 2 or 3 important points you want to say. Mention David Nutt's studies on the lesser harmfulness of MDMA and psychedelics compared to alcohol (and even pot). Or Johns Hopkins University's research into the lasting benefits of psychedelics. Then say I feel my usage is responsible (if you truly do feel that is the case), and end it.

edit: Oh  I see you posted his response. Seems like a very chill, understanding way of responding. I wish someone would have told me to quit smoking weed in a non-confrontational way when I was younger.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19047490 - 10/28/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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weed lingers in your system for quite a while and makes you lazy and cloud your goals.

alcohol is more harmful to your physical health but marijuana is more harmful towards integrating your full potential into society.



What if you aren't concerned with integrating your full potential into society? Beside, I think alcohol is even worse in that regard. Make many people violent, careless, and casually cruel. Marijuana makes people less motivated to chase paper.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19047527 - 10/28/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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weed lingers in your system for quite a while and makes you lazy and cloud your goals.

alcohol is more harmful to your physical health but marijuana is more harmful towards integrating your full potential into society.



What if you aren't concerned with integrating your full potential into society? Beside, I think alcohol is even worse in that regard. Make many people violent, careless, and casually cruel. Marijuana makes people less motivated to chase paper.



i guess people can live that way too.

but if i had some beer i would drink it and the next morning i would get back to my goals. if i had weed the next mornings i would just feel lazy and hazy about where i want to go.

it all depends on how you handle it


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19047582 - 10/28/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A few notes about me :

I work full time , 40
Hours a week, at a job I enjoy , with health benefits . I just got a raise, a bonus and an excellent performance review .

I am happily married to a beautiful woman who loves me . She just sent me this text:

"You are the absolute love of my life. I love your laugh and I love your smile. I really really love your bum. I love the way you feel when you hug me. I am floored by your intelligence and again by your sensitivity. You treat me like a queen and I love you so much. Thanks for being mine your gorgeous creature"

I have three university degrees , a college diploma , a masters degree, a 4.0 GPA, several prestigious and competitive full ride scholarships , two theses written , research and teaching experience , zero debt and a fully paid off mortgage free 300 000 dollar house.

I am also an athlete in excellent physical shape. I am 26 .

I say this to indicate I am a very high functioning and well integrated member of society with a healthy social life and diverse interests other than drugs .


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe] * 4
    #19047602 - 10/28/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe any of that, you need help. You're delusional.


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