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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19185965 - 11/25/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

k dad :lol:


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19185966 - 11/25/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm here sitting high, typing on the shroomery. (I'm still very aware of reality)
The difference between me being sober and doing this is I smile a lot more.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19185967 - 11/25/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The thing is though, no matter how bad a drug is (and I agree with you about heroin) prohibition always makes the social consequences much worse. It is because of prohibition that cartels exist, cartels that rape , torture and murder hundreds of thousands of people an corrupt governments . And prohibition does not stop or reduce the rates of drug use, drugs are stronger and cheaper and more widely available than ever . All prohibition does is tax money away from tax payers and the government a d give it to te most ruthless and violent syndicates of sociopaths.

Prohibition also means unregulated, contaminated drugs that cause more health damage than the pure form would.

As bad as meth and heroin are, prohibition makes the social problems worse by orders of magnitude.



Prohibition it its current form, sure.  It isn't a choice between the prohibition that we have today and full legalization though.  There are myriad options in between.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186263 - 11/25/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Drugs don't make life better.  They provide a distraction from life.  They are nothing more than a way to pass time without having to participate in reality.  When they wear off, life and reality are waiting on the other side.

The only real question is how much of your life do you want to replace with a drug-induced illusion, and how much of it do you want to live?



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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: unknown1123]
    #19186352 - 11/25/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The pubs limits don't let me say what I really wanna say to this guy. I got banned for 7 days just for expressing my opinion on it.. Just go see a therapist op, your drug problem won't be able to be fixed until you get the mental help you need. In fact I think your mental status is more dangerous than your drug use.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Chowder963]
    #19186413 - 11/25/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't consider myself to have a drug problem. It's funny how people feel they have a picture of my life and mental state based on this one letter. I am a very happy, healthy, well adjusted individual who is high functioning and have a well balanced life.

The only drugs I currently regularly  use are Kratom and etizolam . I am not addicted to anything and my use is therapeutic and causes me no problems in life.

I don't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, smoke weed or use any hard drugs.

Just nootropics , Kratom and ccasionally etizolam mostly for sleep once in a while or for a job meeting or something .

My mental health has never been  better and I am at a real high point in my life. I feel remarkably happy, greatful and fulfilled and I am really proud of what I have accomplished in life.

People in this thread post that I need therapy or rehab but that is based on no understanding of my actual life situation.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19186427 - 11/25/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

*grateful


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186441 - 11/25/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You really cleared up that conundrum Enlil.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186449 - 11/25/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the idea that drugs are separate from real life and that you only experience real life when sober is logically unsupportable . Drugs are real, and part of real life . The states achieved with drugs are real states really experienced .

Drugs are a part of life and always have been. The idea that sobriety = reality is not logically supportable.

Sure some drugs such as powerful psychedelics can completely obscure consensus mundane reality, but do you really think when you drink a cup of coffee you are suddenly divorced from real life? Of course not. Does having a beer put you in a fantasy land where real life vanishes ? No.

Drugs alter your consciousness, nothing more. Life is just a sequence of states of consciousness. Some are closer or farther from consensus reality but they are all real states of consciousness, and the term consensus reality is provisional anyways as no two people see things exactly the same way even when sober .


Some drugs make you more logical, rational and lucid than you would be sober (modafinil, low dose caffeine )

It's not that black and white. Sobriety does not equal real life. Altered states of consciousness can be delusional but are not always. Altered states can often be preferable to sobriety in some cases .


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186451 - 11/25/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Drugs don't make life better.  They provide a distraction from life.  They are nothing more than a way to pass time without having to participate in reality.  When they wear off, life and reality are waiting on the other side.

The only real question is how much of your life do you want to replace with a drug-induced illusion, and how much of it do you want to live?




Drugs obviously have the capacity to make life better. If they didn't, no one would use them!

Do you completely disregard the therapeutic benefits that have been noted with say psilocybin or MDMA?


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186453 - 11/25/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I don't consider myself to have a drug problem. It's funny how people feel they have a picture of my life and mental state based on this one letter. I am a very happy, healthy, well adjusted individual who is high functioning and have a well balanced life.

The only drugs I currently regularly  use are Kratom and etizolam . I am not addicted to anything and my use is therapeutic and causes me no problems in life.

I don't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, smoke weed or use any hard drugs.

Just nootropics , Kratom and ccasionally etizolam mostly for sleep once in a while or for a job meeting or something .

My mental health has never been  better and I am at a real high point in my life. I feel remarkably happy, greatful and fulfilled and I am really proud of what I have accomplished in life.

People in this thread post that I need therapy or rehab but that is based on no understanding of my actual life situation.




I agree moonshoe, people on this website are very judgmental. Idk, maybe it makes them feel better about themselves to judge someone they dont even know

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*grateful




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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19186467 - 11/25/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I don't consider myself to have a drug problem. It's funny how people feel they have a picture of my life and mental state based on this one letter. I am a very happy, healthy, well adjusted individual who is high functioning and have a well balanced life.

The only drugs I currently regularly  use are Kratom and etizolam . I am not addicted to anything and my use is therapeutic and causes me no problems in life.

I don't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, smoke weed or use any hard drugs.

Just nootropics , Kratom and ccasionally etizolam mostly for sleep once in a while or for a job meeting or something .

My mental health has never been  better and I am at a real high point in my life. I feel remarkably happy, greatful and fulfilled and I am really proud of what I have accomplished in life.

People in this thread post that I need therapy or rehab but that is based on no understanding of my actual life situation.




Haven't you been posting about weed and alcohol this week in WCA?


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19186475 - 11/25/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So you drink kratom all the time? That's the problem?

I remember a guy who used to have a K hook up said it damages the bladder... I think that's what he said. He was the one who was doing all the time so I took his word for it.

Anyways, honest question for OP. Why do they think drugs are a problem for you in the first place? How long have they been concerned about this alleged drug use.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Memories]
    #19186476 - 11/25/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Enlil said:
Drugs don't make life better.  They provide a distraction from life.  They are nothing more than a way to pass time without having to participate in reality.  When they wear off, life and reality are waiting on the other side.

The only real question is how much of your life do you want to replace with a drug-induced illusion, and how much of it do you want to live?




Drugs obviously have the capacity to make life better. If they didn't, no one would use them!

Do you completely disregard the therapeutic benefits that have been noted with say psilocybin or MDMA?



You are, of course, taking my comment out of context.  My comment was in response to someone saying that drugs enhance ones sense of reality and make life better in that way.

Certainly, some drugs improve life.  There's no question, for instance, that blood pressure medication improves lives.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19186535 - 11/25/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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Enlil said:
Drugs don't make life better.  They provide a distraction from life.  They are nothing more than a way to pass time without having to participate in reality.  When they wear off, life and reality are waiting on the other side.

The only real question is how much of your life do you want to replace with a drug-induced illusion, and how much of it do you want to live?




Drugs obviously have the capacity to make life better. If they didn't, no one would use them!

Do you completely disregard the therapeutic benefits that have been noted with say psilocybin or MDMA?



You are, of course, taking my comment out of context.  My comment was in response to someone saying that drugs enhance ones sense of reality and make life better in that way.

Certainly, some drugs improve life.  There's no question, for instance, that blood pressure medication improves lives.




I think they can enhance your sense of reality. (I'm not talking mysticism here)

An example is the first time I took MDMA. Before taking MDMA, I was extremely self-conscious about the way I was perceived which left me extremely withdrawn. When I took MDMA, it forced me out of my shell. The spike in serotonin levels made me so happy that I forgot my insecurities and had great, anxiety-free conversation for the first time in years.

MDMA enhanced my sense of reality by making me realize that I wasn't an unlikable piece of shit, but just another person who was limiting themselves through insecurity.

And as far as blood-pressure meds go, beta-blockers FTW!


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Memories]
    #19186538 - 11/25/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I don't consider myself to have a drug problem. It's funny how people feel they have a picture of my life and mental state based on this one letter. I am a very happy, healthy, well adjusted individual who is high functioning and have a well balanced life.

The only drugs I currently regularly  use are Kratom and etizolam . I am not addicted to anything and my use is therapeutic and causes me no problems in life.

I don't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, smoke weed or use any hard drugs.

Just nootropics , Kratom and ccasionally etizolam mostly for sleep once in a while or for a job meeting or something .

My mental health has never been  better and I am at a real high point in my life. I feel remarkably happy, greatful and fulfilled and I am really proud of what I have accomplished in life.

People in this thread post that I need therapy or rehab but that is based on no understanding of my actual life situation.




Haven't you been posting about weed and alcohol this week in WCA?




I gave up smoking weed and drinking recently. Decided not to buy more weed and what I had is gone. Likewise finished my last beer and won't buy more. I decided Kratom fills the role of weed and etizolam replaces the role of alcohol.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: UziSuicide]
    #19186561 - 11/25/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So you drink kratom all the time? That's the problem?

I remember a guy who used to have a K hook up said it damages the bladder... I think that's what he said. He was the one who was doing all the time so I took his word for it.

Anyways, honest question for OP. Why do they think drugs are a problem for you in the first place? How long have they been concerned about this alleged drug use.




I take Kratom about 4 days a week with occasional 3 day tolerance breaks and always two days without each week.

The only people who think drugs are a problem for me are random people on the shroomery who don't know me at all. My brother is just opposed to weed because he personally found it helpful when he quit. Also you do know k refers to ketamine, not Kratom right?


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19186564 - 11/25/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Read your first post, do you think that's something a normal person would say? I don't believe you're good looking either unless I saw a pic. You just don't see how obvious it is. If you read your first post and you think that its something a normal person would say then everything you say is not able to be taken seriously..


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Chowder963] * 1
    #19186578 - 11/25/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Read your first post, do you think that's something a normal person would say? I don't believe you're good looking either unless I saw a pic. You just don't see how obvious it is. If you read your first post and you think that its something a normal person would say then everything you say is not able to be taken seriously..




Ya, everyone should be more normal like chowder...

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I noticed that the feeling from mxe is better when you refrain from masturbating a day or two before, a few times when I masturbated before usage I got this WEIRD look in my eyes and it caused me to not be able to have eye contact with people, my eyes were more squinted and my face looked more puffy, but without masterbating that day or the day before I felt great, it actually felt somewhat like a different drug.

Anyone notice this?



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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Memories]
    #19186589 - 11/25/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I stand by that statement. Not jacking off for a few days really improves your mood and imo ability to keep eye contact. Try not jacking it for a few days and youl see.


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