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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Hobozen]
    #19053844 - 10/29/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19053866 - 10/29/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of americans support it because the media and government have been subjecting them to ridiculous propaganda since most of them were born rather than providing them with more useful alternatives. The choice is always ours, but when our society is subject to such a high amount of misinformation it's hard to blame anyone but those in charge.




The pro-legalization propaganda isn't any more accurate, though.  Pretending that weed isn't addictive or that it is completely harmless does more to hurt the position's credibility than it ever does to convince someone of anything.

And as I said earlier...those who are in charge are put there by the people.  In any given election, there are enough pro-legalization politicians running for office that prohibition could end very quickly...yet those people never get elected.  That's because the people really don't want prohibition to end.




I didn't say anything about the pro-legalization propaganda. I personally hate advocacy for weed reform. It completely ignores the real problem of the drug war as a whole by diluting the issue to a matter of "weed vs alcohol". It doesn't do anything for real harm reduction, or the humanitarian issues involved in drug laws. The only way to address the issues that actually matter is to take all drugs into consideration. Generally in that position you don't get the sorts of propaganda you get because the majority of those advocates aren't heroin and coke users even though they support the idea of creating a legalization model for those drugs. They don't flaunt the safety of drugs, but rather the dangers of drug policy

And you're right on the second part at the beginning, but wrong with the conclusion. I know a LOT of people who support drug reform and wanted to vote Johnson, yet voted Obama because they were afraid Romney would win. Their fault? Absolutely. But part of the issue is that the media portrays our elections as a bipartisan election and ignores the minority parties which, when exposed to the masses in debates on large national issues could eventually become much more popular. This comes back to the whole people are busy concept. Though i think it's less of an excuse come election time, fact is that most people don't have the time to sit down and look at every single issue our nation is facing. They rely on concise advertisement and television programming where 3rd parties get next to no representation. Let's face it, neither Obama nor Romney are close to being the most intelligent and fit men to run this country but the pressure to vote either or is unbelievable. I never supported that mentality, and never will. But a lot of people perceive it as a matter of "life and death." They can't rely on the long term support of small parties to help their financial situations. It's whichever president isn't going to fuck them the hardest in the next four years.

It's not exactly a fair voting scheme.

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No, bro....Weed is 100% safe and has no negative effects.  It cures everything from cancer to impotence.  It's all natural, so it can't harm people...just like asbestos, cyanide, arsenic, etc.




Are you considering job creation and the likely hood that those people now have money to spend elsewhere? I don't know what all the numbers include so i'm just asking as most people tend to only focus on the reduction in law enforcement spending and profits from sin tax. Drugs may not fix our economy. Nothing will except wiser spending. But they certainly have some of the highest demand of any consumer product in the world (the totality of drugs i mean, not just weed).


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19053874 - 10/29/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19053911 - 10/29/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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[For me] I believe [my] marijuana [usage] is virtually harmless, massively medicinal, therapeutic and not addictive





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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19053947 - 10/29/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Legalization of weed is plausible, but the complete end of prohibition is not going to happen in my lifetime.  Considering the possible effects of that is just academic.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19054743 - 10/29/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Legalization of weed is plausible, but the complete end of prohibition is not going to happen in my lifetime.  Considering the possible effects of that is just academic.




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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19054806 - 10/29/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Moonshoe, I'd write posts like yours if I was enfranchised. Possibly even more absurdly prolix and masturbatory than your own. Lord knows I have the capability, the vocabulary and the syntactic grace to match or even exceed your own "best" work. Instead, I keep a lid on it and resort to brevity and self-effacement because I do not have a home in my own name, a declared income, or health insurance.

Do you think that the comfort with which you live imbues with objective merit these towering monuments to narcissism that you like to share with us? If so, I would respectfully disagree. It means nothing to me (or most here, or your brother, most likely) that a person who likes ayahuasca just so happens to be entitled and in love with himself and with the sounds of his fingers hitting his keyboard. If anything it alienates me from the many viewpoints you express that I personally have shared. If these experiences are so meaningful to you, why do you spend your time in such extravagant obeisance to your ego? It looks self-contradictory to me, and quite frankly, it impugns in my mind the worth of the substances that have motivated my life's work.

Are you acquainted with the axiom, "the exception proves the rule?" Just curious. It's not a good rule that I'm talking about and I don't think you like it either.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19055026 - 10/29/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moonshoe, I'd write posts like yours if I was enfranchised. Possibly even more absurdly prolix and masturbatory than your own. Lord knows I have the capability, the vocabulary and the syntactic grace to match or even exceed your own "best" work. Instead, I keep a lid on it and resort to brevity and self-effacement because I do not have a home in my own name, a declared income, or health insurance.

Do you think that the comfort with which you live imbues with objective merit these towering monuments to narcissism that you like to share with us? If so, I would respectfully disagree. It means nothing to me (or most here, or your brother, most likely) that a person who likes ayahuasca just so happens to be self-entitled and in love with himself and with the sounds of his fingers hitting his keyboard. If anything it alienates me from the many viewpoints you express that I personally have shared. If these experiences are so meaningful to you, why do you spend your time in such extravagant obeisance to your ego? It looks self-contradictory to me, and quite frankly, it impugns in my mind the worth of the substances that have motivated my life's work.

Are you acquainted with the axiom, "the exception proves the rule?" Just curious. It's not a good rule that I'm talking about and I don't think you like it either.





A few things

1- I love to write. I love to write and I try to do it as much as possible, in order to be creative and productive. Words are my artform and I enjoy stringing them together artistically and intellectually.

Obviously you share that talent, and I would encourage you to exercise it daily- write long papers, write essays, write posts, write books. If you have the talent its a waste not to use it, and the more you use it the more it will grow.

2.  - I never would have brought up my own personal life and achievements if other people had not raised the issue , accusing me of being a junky, an addict, a loser etc.

They made those assumptions, it only made sense to state the truth of the matter as a counterpoint. If they had stayed on topic instead of going ad hominem, I would have also. But because they made claims about me as an individual, it made sense to interject with the truth.

Furthermore, because the OP is about the benefit of some drugs, it makes sense to point out that I have not had my success impaired in life by drug use, which reflects on the validity of what I am saying. Not all drug users are failures, my life so far is a demonstration of that fact which acts as a corrective to negative stereotypes and prejudices against drug users.

3. I write the way I do because I have been trained to. I have been writing non stop for years, essay after essay, research paper after research paper, all the while being rewarded for my eloquence, verbosity and Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness.

For my entire life I have been learning and practicing one thing- intellectual writing and the art of the English language. It is my meal ticket, and it would be unwise for me to stop practicing it. You should as well, it pays great dividends and is a rewarding creative outlet. Think about things that really interest you, then write about them as eloquently as you can. The better you get at it the more you will enjoy it and the more you will be rewarded for it.

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19055152 - 10/29/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I must confess no small degree of jealousy on my part. I originally wanted to pursue a career in writing, but I failed English 1A (college-level composition) three times before I gave up on that particular pipe dream. I'm currently taking it for the sixth time, since it's a prerequisite for any four-year degree. (I'm a neurosci/biotech major now.) English 1A professors don't, generally, seem to like my style. Too fluid, too bad at following directions; though I have been doing exceptionally well this time around, and God willing, it'll be over soon.

That was an inspiring response. Thank you. :awesome:


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19055180 - 10/29/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I must confess no small degree of jealousy on my part. I originally wanted to pursue a career in writing, but I failed English 1A (college-level composition) three times before I gave up on that particular pipe dream. I'm currently taking it for the sixth time, since it's a prerequisite for any four-year degree. (I'm a neurosci/biotech major now.) English 1A professors don't, generally, seem to like my style. Too fluid, too bad at following directions; though I have been doing exceptionally well this time around, and God willing, it'll be over soon.

That was an inspiring response. Thank you. :awesome:




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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19055253 - 10/30/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

moonshoe - while i admire your efforts, i must be honest and say that i find your response perplexing. you stick your nose up at certain rc's (namely the benzofurans and the 2c's) and then laud the use of habit-forming drugs like kratom and marijuana. you further contradict yourself by criticizing the pharmaceutical industry and then extolling the virtues of using pharmaceuticals such as phenibut, ketamine and etizolam. moreover, your claim regarding psychedelics giving us the ability to contact external intelligence is belief-based rather than fact-based. and your explanation of shamanism seems to intimate the notion that simply taking psychedelic drugs renders someone, anyone, a shaman, which to me is particularly pernicious, misinformed and disrespectful to the tradition.

be that as it may, i really don't care about your preferences or your beliefs. if you're living your life right then you shouldn't have to justify living that life on your own terms to your brother. i suppose it would be difficult to not attempt to defend yourself when someone writes you a letter about your lifestyle choices. but this is clearly coming from a well-intentioned place of concern, and if it were me, i would respond to that concern by explaining that i make my choices in an informed and safe manner and leave the rest to his curiosity should he have questions. otherwise you open yourself up to unnecessary criticism. see above.

admittedly, i haven't read the thread. i hope things go or have gone well for you with your brother. but on the outset your response would seem to only invite more trouble.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: millzy]
    #19055329 - 10/30/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The emails from OP's brother make me feel bad for wasting money and time smoking weed.

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Everlong]
    #19055365 - 10/30/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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moonshoe - while i admire your efforts, i must be honest and say that i find your response perplexing. you stick your nose up at certain rc's (namely the benzofurans and the 2c's) and then laud the use of habit-forming drugs like kratom and marijuana. you further contradict yourself by criticizing the pharmaceutical industry and then extolling the virtues of using pharmaceuticals such as phenibut, ketamine and etizolam. moreover, your claim regarding psychedelics giving us the ability to contact external intelligence is belief-based rather than fact-based.




Yeah I had similar thoughts reading the op. It came off very preachy and opinionated; almost like you were trying to convince yourself as much as your brother, moonshoe.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19056724 - 10/30/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Legalization of weed is plausible, but the complete end of prohibition is not going to happen in my lifetime.  Considering the possible effects of that is just academic.




Not arguing that. I just think it's bad policy. Like you said, it's full of propaganda and like i said it ignores the real issues of bad drug policy. I'm afraid weed is going to be seen as an appeasement to broader policy reform rather than a progression towards it since weed advocacy is taking the wrong approach entirely. The real issues of the drug war aren't "drug-specific". They apply to a large spectrum of substances. Anything advocating legalization of specific substances is riddled in self-interest which is usually accompanied by the delusion that said drug is "safer" than the rest.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19056742 - 10/30/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i dont know why ya just didnt  write a "quit the brother" letter.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: millzy]
    #19056800 - 10/30/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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moonshoe - while i admire your efforts, i must be honest and say that i find your response perplexing. you stick your nose up at certain rc's (namely the benzofurans and the 2c's) and then laud the use of habit-forming drugs like kratom and marijuana. you further contradict yourself by criticizing the pharmaceutical industry and then extolling the virtues of using pharmaceuticals such as phenibut, ketamine and etizolam. moreover, your claim regarding psychedelics giving us the ability to contact external intelligence is belief-based rather than fact-based. and your explanation of shamanism seems to intimate the notion that simply taking psychedelic drugs renders someone, anyone, a shaman, which to me is particularly pernicious, misinformed and disrespectful to the tradition.

be that as it may, i really don't care about your preferences or your beliefs. if you're living your life right then you shouldn't have to justify living that life on your own terms to your brother. i suppose it would be difficult to not attempt to defend yourself when someone writes you a letter about your lifestyle choices. but this is clearly coming from a well-intentioned place of concern, and if it were me, i would respond to that concern by explaining that i make my choices in an informed and safe manner and leave the rest to his curiosity should he have questions. otherwise you open yourself up to unnecessary criticism. see above.

admittedly, i haven't read the thread. i hope things go or have gone well for you with your brother. but on the outset your response would seem to only invite more trouble.




Well written response , thank you. however I don't consider Kratom or marijuana to be very addictive , and I did say that I don't consider myself or anyone else a true shaman unless they are part of a true lineage studying under an
Initiated master .

Where I live  phenibut and etizolam are not pharmaceuticals prescribed , and phenibut Is considered a "supplement " although both drugs are prescribed in other countries .

With my brother there is nothing to be gained or lost other than the communication of ideas itself , as we never see each other in person, living as we do in other countries.

I should also note that he introduced me to drugs in the first place.

He smoked my first joint with  me and I got mushrooms from him for the first time . He actually did a lot of drugs In his day and I think I picked up the practice largely from emulating him.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19056870 - 10/30/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need rehab, bro.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
    #19056909 - 10/30/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As of today I am narrowing my list of drugs to do down to only kratom, coffee, marijuana and beer.


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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19107626 - 11/08/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you consider alcohol okay? In your letter you said that anything harder than beer is on your list of things you will never do but then whiskey and rum are out of the question? Alcohol has such a narrow "therapeutic index" (the spectrum between threshold psychoactive effects and a toxic overdose) that I am not sure I understand the reason for the distinction. You can get drunk on beer quite easily.

I am also curious why you are absolutely opposed to substances like methylone and 2C-B, as I recall reading that methylone is suspected to be less neurotoxic than MDMA, if it is indeed neurotoxic, and 2C-B is probably pretty benign?

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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19107928 - 11/08/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's great, but writing a letter like this to someone like your brother is like trying to explain astrophysics to a child.  He has a completely different perception of drugs that you have, and you are not about to make him realize your perception through words.  The longer your letter is, the more he will be convinced that you are just a "druggie".  It amazes me how some people don't seem to realize how oblivious some anti-drug people are to any sort of reasoning that might change their state of mind.  The best thing this letter accomplished was to help you soak/bask in your own ego.


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