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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053463 - 10/29/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marijuana is a more valuable cash crop than corn or any over agricultural crop . Right now all that money goes to cartels . If the government legalized it the economy would make trillions in commodity exports , domestic consumption and taxation. Meanwhile trillions are wasted on the futile costs of prohibition . So the government would save billions in wasted patrol. Prosecution and inprisonments costs and make billions by legitimating the biggest cash crop ( bigger than corn).
It would make a colossal positive economic impact if marijuana was legalized and taxed .
It would save massive quantities on legal proceedings for marijuana crimes and inprisonments of non violent drug offenders and it would allow the goverment to reap the billions In weed profits currently monopolized by cartels , which could be used to find worthwhile social programs or pay down the debt .
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053470 - 10/29/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Whether you like it or not. Prohibition is the law because the majority of Americans support it. You don't have to like it, of course...but that is the way the American system works. If you can rally enough people who are for the repeal of prohibition and get them to lobby Congress, you might be able to effect a change.
Unless/until you do that, you're just pissing and moaning like a poor helpless victim. Either obey the law or commit a crime and risk prison. The choice is always yours.
Most of americans support it because the media and government have been subjecting them to ridiculous propaganda since most of them were born rather than providing them with more useful alternatives. The choice is always ours, but when our society is subject to such a high amount of misinformation it's hard to blame anyone but those in charge. Not just with drugs, but global warming too and all sorts of large scale issues. Money is an easy excuse to dilute public knowledge and people simply have too many responsibilities to focus on the details of each and every important issue that the nation gets faced with.
As for those picking him apart for the slavery comment... Having a large portion of Americans in jail/with criminal records and loss of job abilities is not exactly a huge step up. I don't know if i would say the scale of the problem is as large as slavery since i wasn't alive in the time of slaves, and neither were any of you for that matter, but it is certainly equally absurd and will undoubtedly go down in history books as a laughable time in human history alongside the other atrocities we look back on today
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053600 - 10/29/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Marijuana is a more valuable cash crop than corn or any over agricultural crop . Right now all that money goes to cartels . If the government legalized it the economy would make trillions in commodity exports , domestic consumption and taxation. Meanwhile trillions are wasted on the futile costs of prohibition . So the government would save billions in wasted patrol. Prosecution and inprisonments costs and make billions by legitimating the biggest cash crop ( bigger than corn).
It would make a colossal positive economic impact if marijuana was legalized and taxed .
It would save massive quantities on legal proceedings for marijuana crimes and inprisonments of non violent drug offenders and it would allow the goverment to reap the billions In weed profits currently monopolized by cartels , which could be used to find worthwhile social programs or pay down the debt .
Why would the government reap the billions? Are you suggesting that the government should go into the weed business?
I think you're completely wrong about the economic potential.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053618 - 10/29/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL I find it funny there are so many butthurt stoners over the weed laws. I find it quite amusing
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053642 - 10/29/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Marijuana is a more valuable cash crop than corn or any over agricultural crop . Right now all that money goes to cartels . If the government legalized it the economy would make trillions in commodity exports , domestic consumption and taxation. Meanwhile trillions are wasted on the futile costs of prohibition . So the government would save billions in wasted patrol. Prosecution and inprisonments costs and make billions by legitimating the biggest cash crop ( bigger than corn).
It would make a colossal positive economic impact if marijuana was legalized and taxed .
It would save massive quantities on legal proceedings for marijuana crimes and inprisonments of non violent drug offenders and it would allow the goverment to reap the billions In weed profits currently monopolized by cartels , which could be used to find worthwhile social programs or pay down the debt .
Why would the government reap the billions? Are you suggesting that the government should go into the weed business?
I think you're completely wrong about the economic potential.
Obviously the government should treat weed the same way it treats corn, rice , wheat and pharmaceuticals - legal , regulated and taxed .
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19053653 - 10/29/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: Most of americans support it because the media and government have been subjecting them to ridiculous propaganda since most of them were born rather than providing them with more useful alternatives. The choice is always ours, but when our society is subject to such a high amount of misinformation it's hard to blame anyone but those in charge.
The pro-legalization propaganda isn't any more accurate, though. Pretending that weed isn't addictive or that it is completely harmless does more to hurt the position's credibility than it ever does to convince someone of anything.
And as I said earlier...those who are in charge are put there by the people. In any given election, there are enough pro-legalization politicians running for office that prohibition could end very quickly...yet those people never get elected. That's because the people really don't want prohibition to end.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053654 - 10/29/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The rumor that all marijuana money goes to cartels is bullshit.
Fact is, since the advent of the Internet and indoor growing technique, most quality MJ is grown locally by small to medium scale growers.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Rose]
#19053666 - 10/29/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: The rumor that all marijuana money goes to cartels is bullshit.
Fact is, since the advent of the Internet and indoor growing technique, most quality MJ is grown locally by small to medium scale growers.
When a product or commodity is prohibited it becomes black market and the profits to to criminals rather than governments or legitimate business .
Not all of it goes to cartels but a massive about does.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053671 - 10/29/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Obviously the government should treat weed the same way it treats corn, rice , wheat and pharmaceuticals - legal , regulated and taxed .
It wouldn't create a significant amount of revenue. Tobacco taxes in the U.S. amount to about 18 billion a year. Weed use would likely be far less than tobacco use...at least at first.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053678 - 10/29/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: Most of americans support it because the media and government have been subjecting them to ridiculous propaganda since most of them were born rather than providing them with more useful alternatives. The choice is always ours, but when our society is subject to such a high amount of misinformation it's hard to blame anyone but those in charge.
The pro-legalization propaganda isn't any more accurate, though. Pretending that weed isn't addictive or that it is completely harmless does more to hurt the position's credibility than it ever does to convince someone of anything.
And as I said earlier...those who are in charge are put there by the people. In any given election, there are enough pro-legalization politicians running for office that prohibition could end very quickly...yet those people never get elected. That's because the people really don't want prohibition to end.
I believe marijuana is virtually harmless , massively medicinal and therapeutic and not addictive .
My doctor also confirmed "marijuana is not an addictive substance "
My personal experience also confirms this .
Marijuana is much safer than Tylenol or most other legal drugs .
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053693 - 10/29/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can believe what you want. You've never been one to let data or facts get in the way of your beliefs.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053723 - 10/29/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Obviously the government should treat weed the same way it treats corn, rice , wheat and pharmaceuticals - legal , regulated and taxed .
It wouldn't create a significant amount of revenue. Tobacco taxes in the U.S. amount to about 18 billion a year. Weed use would likely be far less than tobacco use...at least at first.
Your claim weed legalization would not generate significant revenue is among the most blatantly absurd things I have ever heard you say, and that is saying a lot .
It produces billions for criminals , It could produce billions for governments and save billions in legal costs .
It's very obvious and self - evident how this would work.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053743 - 10/29/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You seem to think that "billions" is a significant amount. To you and me, it is...to the government, it's pennies.
If weed generated 18 billion in taxes per year like tobacco does, that wouldn't even reduce the deficit by 3 percent. Of course, weed won't even come close to generating that much revenue.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053768 - 10/29/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weed I think creates a lot of anxiety that many users on this forum are afflicted with and defs increases schizophrenia rates. Psychologically I can't handle it at all and all other drugs are fine for some reason.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#19053782 - 10/29/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, bro....Weed is 100% safe and has no negative effects. It cures everything from cancer to impotence. It's all natural, so it can't harm people...just like asbestos, cyanide, arsenic, etc.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053788 - 10/29/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You seem to think that "billions" is a significant amount. To you and me, it is...to the government, it's pennies.
If weed generated 18 billion in taxes per year like tobacco does, that wouldn't even reduce the deficit by 3 percent. Of course, weed won't even come close to generating that much revenue.
So your argument is billions aren't worth making and we should just leave it to criminals instead of taxing it ?
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053800 - 10/29/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No...my argument is exactly what I stated earlier. Legalization of weed will not likely have a significant impact on the economy.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Enlil]
#19053801 - 10/29/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you watched The Union ?
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053815 - 10/29/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Have you watched The Union ?
Man I have to hear about this Union thing every time I smoke weed with people. Why won't it just die and what powers does it have?
IMO the pro marijuana movement is so fucking annoying and I hope it stays illegal for as long as possible in Canada out of fucking spite.
I'm sorry but I'm sick of it. Sick of it. Honestly weed is horrible for pain and does not make me sleep. I think it's main use is for hunger and nausea.
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Re: My brother wrote me a letter telling me to quit drugs - here is my response [Re: Moonshoe]
#19053827 - 10/29/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Years ago. As I recall, it argued that weed was a $7 billion industry.
Sounds like small potatoes to me.
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