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Most ridiculous philosophical pondering 2
#19045429 - 10/28/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander] 2
#19045474 - 10/28/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much data can a decomposed brain process? This is truly not rocket fishing.
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Refute my statement logically then.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19045519 - 10/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19045520 - 10/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As you get older you forget shit more and more often. Why is that?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge] 2
#19045523 - 10/28/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who is going to feed a dead Iceman his daily kratom?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
I disagree , none of us know shit when it comes to death its not comparable with the next day or the one before. You will get to experience tomorrow as you are experiencing this moment but when it comes to death all we can base our assumptions off are our outside perceptions of a carcass, we did not experience it as we do right now so how can we have any rationale sense on the matter.
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Is Icelander dead?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045604 - 10/28/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some of us actually know how to use deductive reasoning and extrapolation. All evidence points towards a non-experience while zero evidence points towards a different kind of experience.
Somehow I knew this crew would make a simple thing complex.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045620 - 10/28/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is Icelander dead?

Almost...
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I think after death = before birth. Plenty of people lived before I was born, plenty will come after. They will experience but they won't be "me." Then again, I'm not the me I was a few minutes ago.
I swear I'm not making a simple thing complex.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: NetDiver]
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How exactly does the concept of non-experience work cant that be a type of experience in itself the non kind? Sure you will dead but does that mean the atoms that you are comprised of will be? I 'm probably wrong but i was under the impression that atoms don't die, a scientist can step in here and correct me.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045686 - 10/28/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think the term non-experience has been coined yet as opposed to non experienced which is another thing.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045699 - 10/28/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Atoms don't die, but neither do atoms have color. Color is an emergent property when atoms or molecules clump together.
Atoms are not human, but get enough together in the perfect configuration and - voila! Deconstruct the configuration and the human and all of it's properties also go away.
This thread should have been a half-pager, but it will likely continue long after its natural death.
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If the question is strictly physical perception/senses and not pertainint to anything spiritual or the after life, then my input is no. Dead is dead. Gone. Decaying, decomposing, no longer functioning, no electrical activity or neuronal activity.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: V1rusH0st]
#19045737 - 10/28/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the caveat? You have evidence (not stories) for something else?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045751 - 10/28/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
I disagree , none of us know shit when it comes to death its not comparable with the next day or the one before. You will get to experience tomorrow as you are experiencing this moment but when it comes to death all we can base our assumptions off are our outside perceptions of a carcass, we did not experience it as we do right now so how can we have any rationale sense on the matter.
So what happened before you were born and developed a brain, or what about the transition developing a brain?
Nothing will most likely happen when you die, that's right. Nothing. It's impossible for the ego or personality structure grasping this in the present, that's why humans are frightened of it. Why do you think cats and dogs are able to relax and lay down like no human? They don't know about death but are merely based on instincts or very low intelligence, humans are intelligent and thus understand death like no other animal would ponder on. Our ancestors were much more wild and careless in the nature compared to us but unfortunately evolution fucked us and we developed "higher" intelligence and awareness. This is certainly why everyone is chasing so-called "ego-death" or escape from existence to understand nothingness IMO.
What frightens me like nothing else (besides pain and insanity)?
Nothing and this breaks my ego - I am a nobody, nothing of real importance in the very big picture.
But when I think it through, it does feel kind of good not existing but what is nothing?
This is the state I was in before I was born, now do I want this state or not? I don't know; drugs, shower and music based on my ego or self-importance feels too good to let go off just like that.
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You started it bro
I am aware that the human and all its properties are dis configured upon death, but since the atom does not die and everything is construct of atoms .. Recycling seems like a possibility so although there may not be a brain or nervous system to perceive any senses , it may be possible for those atoms to comprise into something else along the line. Even though it wont be connect to 'you' per se.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045857 - 10/28/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get what your saying Liquidos and i agree with both you and OC when it comes to all sense's perceived as 'you' vanishing with your body. But if everything is comprised of atoms isn't everything somewhat connected to some extent and as things don't die on the atomic level and presumably get recycled, how does death beyond biology and egoic structure apply.. i might be taking this a bit far but i cant help but wounder
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045882 - 10/28/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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how does death beyond biology and egoic structure apply..
How is there any death beyond biology contra existence beyond reality or the paranormal?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045931 - 10/28/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't telling, i don't know. Do individual atoms have ego's?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045964 - 10/28/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't telling, i don't know.
Then what does "how does death beyond biology and egoic structure apply.." mean?
Do individual atoms have ego's?
What atoms don't have a desire exist?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Rahz]
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Wait, so you mean... 
I was thoroughly disgusted - by the nail fungus image on the page you linked. 
It seems her parents brainwashed her very well. Another win for religion.
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Sorry but you simply can't know. For someone to talk about logic and reason and then draw an assumption that there is no experience after death is based on absolutely nothing. It might SEEM that way on the surface, but you simply can't sceintifically or logically prove it. So
It's no more ridicious to assume there is experience after death than to assume there isn't. Everything about this experience is a complete mystery.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: LysergicX7]
#19046573 - 10/28/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is beyond wrong and is the usual erroneous stance of the mystic-head. I don't know that the next baby born won't have super powers, so what? There is no reason to believe so.
Any educated person knows that science starts with the null hypothesis; that something is considered non-existent and not worth examination UNTIL SUCH TIME AS EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: LysergicX7]
#19046627 - 10/28/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's no more ridicious to assume there is experience after death than to assume there isn't.
Uh yes, there is. What happened before you were born? This is by far the most logical approach to death.
Let's play in fantasy-land, if you're born you get a fortune cookie or a demon?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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Somehow I knew this crew would make a simple thing complex. 
Doesn't matter. Since there is no evidence to be had for the beyond death experience no one can definitively evaluate it. We can guess what is likely to happen but that's it. My guess is there is nothing beyond death but it's an unknown ultimately.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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What, you don't remember yourself as a sperm cell?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Doesn't matter. Since there is no evidence to be had for the beyond death experience no one can definitively evaluate it. We can guess what is likely to happen but that's it. My guess is there is nothing beyond death but it's an unknown ultimately.
What happened before birth is hardly a guess, I assume you remember nothing. Do you merely 'guess' this is what will happen when you die?
Again, what may point otherwise? God?
Let's think rationale.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Hobozen]
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What, you don't remember yourself as a sperm cell?

I remember Pat Metheny on the speakers...
Or was it Steely Dan?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Hobozen]
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What, you don't remember yourself as a sperm cell?

Why not the egg?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047323 - 10/28/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to rule this forum. May have to off the Iceman...
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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Icelander said: Doesn't matter. Since there is no evidence to be had for the beyond death experience no one can definitively evaluate it. We can guess what is likely to happen but that's it. My guess is there is nothing beyond death but it's an unknown ultimately.
What happened before birth is hardly a guess, I assume you remember nothing. Do you merely 'guess' this is what will happen when you die?
Again, what may point otherwise? God?
Let's think rationale.
What happened before birth is certainly a guess also.
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sperms are way more fun then egg
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Yeah right.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19047352 - 10/28/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, it started with your daddy and your mommy doing unthinkable things...
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Doesn't matter. Since there is no evidence to be had for the beyond death experience no one can definitively evaluate it. We can guess what is likely to happen but that's it. My guess is there is nothing beyond death but it's an unknown ultimately.
What happened before birth is hardly a guess, I assume you remember nothing. Do you merely 'guess' this is what will happen when you die?
Again, what may point otherwise? God?
Let's think rationale.
What happened before birth is certainly a guess also. 
Is it?
I don't remember much from pre-birth, do you from your pre-birth?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
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Yeah right. 
I feel like this is in the Hollywood movies where we take over the forum and ice kills himself due to respect. No man you're not like that, you said there was things you would show me.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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Icelander said: Doesn't matter. Since there is no evidence to be had for the beyond death experience no one can definitively evaluate it. We can guess what is likely to happen but that's it. My guess is there is nothing beyond death but it's an unknown ultimately.
What happened before birth is hardly a guess, I assume you remember nothing. Do you merely 'guess' this is what will happen when you die?
Again, what may point otherwise? God?
Let's think rationale.
What happened before birth is certainly a guess also. 
Is it?
I don't remember much from pre-birth, do you from your pre-birth?
That's why it's a guess.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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Yeah right. 
I feel like this is in the Hollywood movies where we take over the forum and ice kills himself due to respect. No man you're not like that, you said there was things you would show me.
As if I'd have respect for you types.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19047464 - 10/28/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you remember?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
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Yeah right. 
I feel like this is in the Hollywood movies where we take over the forum and ice kills himself due to respect. No man you're not like that, you said there was things you would show me.
As if I'd have respect for you types. 
But then it's true after all. Think about Diploid being alone having to stick around with a child. I don't know.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047534 - 10/28/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you remember much from before you were 5 years old? Do you remember every bit of your dreams last night? Do you remember what happened that night you got black-out drunk?
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Do you remember much from before you were 5 years old?
No, but I have pictures from it and I know it formed my life - did pre-birth or even pre-fuck?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
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im not sure about pre-birth but pre-fuck sure as hell did.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Hobozen]
#19047613 - 10/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How is it possible pre-fuck formed the you?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047619 - 10/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pre-cognition
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Hobozen]
#19047625 - 10/28/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Were you there?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047659 - 10/28/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i just don't know what to say
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge] 1
#19047680 - 10/28/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Were you there?
My point is memory is not a reliable indicator of whether you experienced something at the time or not.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047756 - 10/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with this, you can black out after bigger doses of benzos, alcohol or other drugs and not remember shit.
What has this to do with pre-birth or pre-fuck?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047761 - 10/28/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what is pre-fuck?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047770 - 10/28/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But then it's true after all. Think about Diploid being alone having to stick around with a child. I don't know. 
I seriously lost contact with what you are the fuck talking about.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Hobozen]
#19047790 - 10/28/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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blankk said: what is pre-fuck?
Before your mother and father had sexual intercourse resulting in you.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19047799 - 10/28/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But then it's true after all. Think about Diploid being alone having to stick around with a child. I don't know. 
I seriously lost contact with what you are the fuck talking about. 
Don't be dumb.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047805 - 10/28/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: I agree with this, you can black out after bigger doses of benzos, alcohol or other drugs and not remember shit.
What has this to do with pre-birth or pre-fuck?
You brought up memory as if a lack of it constitutes some sort of proof that there was no experience to be had. That's all I'm addressing.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047826 - 10/28/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't be a stupid ass hole.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047855 - 10/28/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: I agree with this, you can black out after bigger doses of benzos, alcohol or other drugs and not remember shit.
What has this to do with pre-birth or pre-fuck?
You brought up memory as if a lack of it constitutes some sort of proof that there was no experience to be had. That's all I'm addressing.
There's no memory to be had before you were born, this is nothingness. Pre-birth and after the moment you're dead.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047859 - 10/28/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you say so.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19047890 - 10/28/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Don't be a stupid ass hole. 
I understand you, II always will.
Edit: video not appropriate.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047899 - 10/28/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepwalker said: If you say so.
What do you remember from before you were born?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047915 - 10/28/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing.
Didn't we just go over this...?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19047939 - 10/28/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sleepwalker said: Nothing.
And what will you most likely remember when your brain turns to soil?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19047966 - 10/28/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I probably won't remember my life.
I'm not willing to make any assumptions beyond that.
Memory is not an indicator of experience.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19048033 - 10/28/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I probably won't remember my life.
Is there anything to remember when your brain is soil?
I'm not willing to make any assumptions beyond that.
So what do you base death on? God?
Death is here and it will take us all down, with no care.
Memory is not an indicator of experience.
Why not? Memories are all you have, there is a present but it's certainly a mere memory the moment you think of it.
If you have a line, there's a beginning and ending, it's not infinite - this birth and death.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19048067 - 10/28/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Death is here and it will take us all down, with no care.
I'm well aware. You seem to be trying to put arguments in my mouth.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Sleepwalker]
#19049815 - 10/29/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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He only understands his side of the discussion.
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Maybe Oc's seemingly overly certain assumption that nothing comes after death is really a result of death anxiety...
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Cactilove]
#19054910 - 10/29/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK, I'll bite, how so?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19058884 - 10/30/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For some could the idea of an afterlife be more terrifying than vanishing into nonexistence
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19059188 - 10/30/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe any afterlife will be some great treat.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: BlueCoyote]
#19059225 - 10/30/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm icey that reads like death anxiety to me. 
@OC
if its so ridiculous than why ponder it and start a thread about how ridiculous it is?
that sounds ridiculous to me. Quote:
BlueCoyote said: For some could the idea of an afterlife be more terrifying than vanishing into nonexistence 
This. The idea of an afterlife actually induces more death anxiety it seems, than the idea of no afterlife. OCs crusade against all things spiritual and 'after', seem to stem from a serious death anxiety, a desperate need for there to be no more when there is no more.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: hTx]
#19059351 - 10/30/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm icey that reads like death anxiety to me.
Really? You better explain it to me? Personally I've always wanted some wonderful afterlife.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19059381 - 10/30/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: hmm icey that reads like death anxiety to me.
Really? You better explain it to me? Personally I've always wanted some wonderful afterlife.
Become a Muslim - problem solved!
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19059546 - 10/30/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: hmm icey that reads like death anxiety to me.
Really? You better explain it to me? Personally I've always wanted some wonderful afterlife.
Should I have said after-life anxiety?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: hTx]
#19059596 - 10/30/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. If there's an afterlife I don't know what it would be with any certainly. It could be good or not. My DA seems to center on not leaving this personality structure and body on this green earth. But if I have to leave it I certainly hope there's some decent afterlife to continue on with. I seem to have garden variety DA.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19059704 - 10/30/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"... I don't know what it would be with any certainly." this seems to be where DA centers, uncertainty .
This uncertainty is what is most taken advantage of, in any situation.
Ex. Going to hell for behaving outside of religious morality. Going to heaven otherwise.
Which creates all sorts of anxiety, for myself atleast, even if I do not believe in religion. I have had some heavenly trips, and some hellish ones as well...We have been conditioned to believe that death is a scary thing.
Even now we are reading in whispers.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: hTx]
#19059732 - 10/30/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well there is that but imo that's pretty secondary to losing my ego self importance. I do see what you're saying however.
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