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Most ridiculous philosophical pondering 2
#19045429 - 10/28/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander] 2
#19045474 - 10/28/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much data can a decomposed brain process? This is truly not rocket fishing.
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Refute my statement logically then.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19045519 - 10/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Icelander]
#19045520 - 10/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As you get older you forget shit more and more often. Why is that?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge] 2
#19045523 - 10/28/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who is going to feed a dead Iceman his daily kratom?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045586 - 10/28/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said:
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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
I disagree , none of us know shit when it comes to death its not comparable with the next day or the one before. You will get to experience tomorrow as you are experiencing this moment but when it comes to death all we can base our assumptions off are our outside perceptions of a carcass, we did not experience it as we do right now so how can we have any rationale sense on the matter.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Who is going to feed a dead Iceman his daily kratom?
Is Icelander dead?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045604 - 10/28/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some of us actually know how to use deductive reasoning and extrapolation. All evidence points towards a non-experience while zero evidence points towards a different kind of experience.
Somehow I knew this crew would make a simple thing complex.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: liquidlounge]
#19045620 - 10/28/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Who is going to feed a dead Iceman his daily kratom?
Is Icelander dead?

Almost...
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I think after death = before birth. Plenty of people lived before I was born, plenty will come after. They will experience but they won't be "me." Then again, I'm not the me I was a few minutes ago.
I swear I'm not making a simple thing complex.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: NetDiver]
#19045648 - 10/28/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How exactly does the concept of non-experience work cant that be a type of experience in itself the non kind? Sure you will dead but does that mean the atoms that you are comprised of will be? I 'm probably wrong but i was under the impression that atoms don't die, a scientist can step in here and correct me.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045686 - 10/28/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think the term non-experience has been coined yet as opposed to non experienced which is another thing.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045699 - 10/28/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Atoms don't die, but neither do atoms have color. Color is an emergent property when atoms or molecules clump together.
Atoms are not human, but get enough together in the perfect configuration and - voila! Deconstruct the configuration and the human and all of it's properties also go away.
This thread should have been a half-pager, but it will likely continue long after its natural death.
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If the question is strictly physical perception/senses and not pertainint to anything spiritual or the after life, then my input is no. Dead is dead. Gone. Decaying, decomposing, no longer functioning, no electrical activity or neuronal activity.
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: V1rusH0st]
#19045737 - 10/28/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the caveat? You have evidence (not stories) for something else?
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Re: Most ridiculous philosophical pondering [Re: Withinity]
#19045751 - 10/28/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Withinity said:
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liquidlounge said:
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Icelander said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: "I wonder what it is like to be dead."
It won't be like anything at all. There will be no senses to gather data nor a brain to process data. This is beyond simple.

You don't know that. 
Do you know what tomorrow might bring?
No, but you have a certain knowledge or understanding of it, you'll sip on the flask with kratom, walking your dogs etc.
It's the same with death, sure, we don't know anything but we have a rationale sense of it.
I disagree , none of us know shit when it comes to death its not comparable with the next day or the one before. You will get to experience tomorrow as you are experiencing this moment but when it comes to death all we can base our assumptions off are our outside perceptions of a carcass, we did not experience it as we do right now so how can we have any rationale sense on the matter.
So what happened before you were born and developed a brain, or what about the transition developing a brain?
Nothing will most likely happen when you die, that's right. Nothing. It's impossible for the ego or personality structure grasping this in the present, that's why humans are frightened of it. Why do you think cats and dogs are able to relax and lay down like no human? They don't know about death but are merely based on instincts or very low intelligence, humans are intelligent and thus understand death like no other animal would ponder on. Our ancestors were much more wild and careless in the nature compared to us but unfortunately evolution fucked us and we developed "higher" intelligence and awareness. This is certainly why everyone is chasing so-called "ego-death" or escape from existence to understand nothingness IMO.
What frightens me like nothing else (besides pain and insanity)?
Nothing and this breaks my ego - I am a nobody, nothing of real importance in the very big picture.
But when I think it through, it does feel kind of good not existing but what is nothing?
This is the state I was in before I was born, now do I want this state or not? I don't know; drugs, shower and music based on my ego or self-importance feels too good to let go off just like that.
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You started it bro
I am aware that the human and all its properties are dis configured upon death, but since the atom does not die and everything is construct of atoms .. Recycling seems like a possibility so although there may not be a brain or nervous system to perceive any senses , it may be possible for those atoms to comprise into something else along the line. Even though it wont be connect to 'you' per se.
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